TCTTS said:

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That's what SHE says to HIM. That's what I was referring to above. Which takes on a whole new meaning if he's the big bad, because now he knows she's not completely loyal to/truthful with him.

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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TCTTS said:

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I have no idea of the specifics, I only know that, yeah, it apparently has a high likelihood of pissing off the usual suspects here.

Hope the mods are ready.

That said, I've also seen a number of people say it's a genuinely great episode too, and that it's a "game changer."

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BQRyno said:

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So in advance of the whole conversation, reminder of the steps:

1) announce intent to produce divisive content
2) produce divisive content
3) viewers notice divisive content and would prefer it not be included
4) creators and apologists simultaneously say "it's not there, you're inventing a problem that doesn't exist," "it's only barely there," and "isn't it amazing that it's there?"

Hope that saves everyone some heartburn later.

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fig96 said:

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BQRyno said:

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So in advance of the whole conversation, reminder of the steps:

1) announce intent to produce divisive content
2) produce divisive content
3) viewers notice divisive content and would prefer it not be included
4) creators and apologists simultaneously say "it's not there, you're inventing a problem that doesn't exist," "it's only barely there," and "isn't it amazing that it's there?"

Hope that saves everyone some heartburn later.

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1) creator talks about how a film about sisters was very meaningful for her
2) creator makes a show about sisters
3) viewers note...divisive content?

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BQRyno said:

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fig96 said:

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BQRyno said:

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So in advance of the whole conversation, reminder of the steps:

1) announce intent to produce divisive content
2) produce divisive content
3) viewers notice divisive content and would prefer it not be included
4) creators and apologists simultaneously say "it's not there, you're inventing a problem that doesn't exist," "it's only barely there," and "isn't it amazing that it's there?"

Hope that saves everyone some heartburn later.

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1) creator talks about how a film about sisters was very meaningful for her
2) creator makes a show about sisters
3) viewers note...divisive content?

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She said Frozen was a story for the LGBT community in disguise. I'm only barely paraphrasing. But if you want to pretend you 1-3 are all she said, that's your prerogative.

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BassCowboy33 said:

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I was thinking about starting this, then I sifted through some of this thread and saw it sitting at a 4.3 on IMDB.

Yeesh.

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TCTTS said:

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I seriously cannot believe people are STILL misquoting her, and that we're STILL somehow having this conversation.

Good lord.

This has been litigated this to death, and you're exactly right.

It just goes to show that some people hear only what they want to hear in order to hate exactly who they want to hate.

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BQRyno said:

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TCTTS said:

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I seriously cannot believe people are STILL misquoting her, and that we're STILL somehow having this conversation.

Good lord.

This has been litigated this to death, and you're exactly right.

It just goes to show that some people hear only what they want to hear in order to hate exactly who they want to hate.

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Okay, how about this, referring to Frozen: "to make something like this that is, you know, for lack of a better term, Disney, meaning something that like my parents would have allowed me to see when I was younger as a queer person, that I would have been able to understand a queer person.""

But sure, tell me I'm paraphrasing incorrectly about how she was able to understand Frozen as a queer person.

Look, this show is what it is. She has stated her intent. Viewers shouldn't be surprised when she does what she says. How is that controversial?

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"When I saw Frozen as a grown ass woman, I cried through the entire movie. There was just something about the relationship between the sisters, the like de-villainization of the classic kind of fairy tale 'bad guy,' you know, the concept of true love being between two sisters and not a heterosexual relationship. It just destroyed me, completely."

She continued, "And I thought, 'Gosh, I would love to make something like this, for lack of a better term, Disney.' Meaning something that like my parents would have allowed me to see when I was younger as a queer person, but I would have been able to understand as a queer person. And I think I would have had a completely different life. And so I really was inspired by it and was like, 'God, I would love to make a story like this.'"

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TCTTS said:

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So far it's not a great show, but it's not a bad one either.

It's… fine.

Regardless, relying on IMDb scores, especially for shows like this that are review-bombed to death, is pointless.

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