Champ Bailey said:

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I would say, without revealing too much, there is a revelation at the end of the movie that most people who haven't read the books might not have fully understood. You could definitely say that's on DV for not explaining better, but I think once you see the full story, you will come back to that last act and scene and find it more impactful.

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But again, people shouldn't be expected to "come back to that last act" after ANOTHER movie to find the end of the first movie more impactful. I didn't have to see the The Two Towers to find the end of The Fellowship of the Ring impactful on first viewing. No matter how much something is a part of a greater whole, the parts should absolutely still be able to stand on their own. I'm not saying Dune: Part One ultimately doesn't, I'm just saying that in the moment people might feel cheated.

helloimustbegoing said:

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Is it worse than the fade to black at the end of No Country for Old Men?

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Not quite. I saw that movie with my parents and my aunt, and my aunt literally cussed loudly in the theater when that happened. They were all sooooo pissed.

Loved the movie, but this ending is the equivalent of if Avatar ended right after Jake goes through the ceremony of becoming a full-fledged Na'vi.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Loved the movie, but this ending is the equivalent of Avatar ending right after Jake goes through the ceremony if becoming a full-fledged Na'vi.

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Exactly what I said/was referring to in my post last night.

Also, "the voice" is just straight up a Jedi mind trick, right?

(And yes, I know, Dune came first.)

1. Saw it yesterday at 6 pm in an theatre that was 80% empty. Loved every second of it.

2. Tried to watch again on my phone last night. Not so great and hard to follow on a 12 pro max.

3. Jessica is a bit more of an emotional basket-case than I would have expected from a Bene Gesserit. If crying wins an Oscar, she's a lock.

4. Right before we fade to black, Jessica gives us a super-serious look generally reserved for characters with secret evil plans. Did anybody else get that feeling?

5. I thought it was cool that they changed minor events in the book, seemingly just to mix it up. For example, the situation with the carryall when the worm comes.

6. What's the deal with the "Dreams are messages from the deep" quote in a weird language at the start? Don't recall that in the book.

I was completely apparent to me that, in that moment, Paul was "resisting a certain path" in a way, by doing the opposite of what his dream showed him (Paul dying at the hands of Jamis), which I really, really liked it. That was definitely a cool moment. But, man, everything else you mentioned was completely lost on me. Now I really need to watch it again, because I remember zero allusions to potentially "billions suffering" or anything like that, should Paul pick up the blade.

Champ Bailey said:

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It is the scene when he's in the tent with Jessica and has the spice in the air.

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Ok, thanks. I do remember that scene, but admittedly needed captions for some of the movie, so I'll turn them on this next go-around.

Oh, I enjoyed it as well. Sounded great coming through IMAX speakers.

But my mind went to Star Wars immediately in the later scene.

TCTTS said:

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Champ Bailey said:

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It is the scene when he's in the tent with Jessica and has the spice in the air.

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Ok, thanks. I do remember that scene, but admittedly needed captions for some of the movie, so I'll turn them on this next go-around.

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Yea, he did a pretty good job of representing the visions on screen and providing exposition for internal monologue (which is always challenging)

In the knife fight, for instance, there were 3-4 lines that were just said almost conversationally, that should have added a LOT more weight to the scene for the viewer.

I thought the score and audio effects were for the most part excellent to outstanding. The only small nit I had was that for some of these scenes that were either epic in scale or otherwise "otherworldly" I would have expected more low frequency effects. There were some..but not quite the magnitude I would have expected / hoped for. I'm talking house shaking feel it in your bones type LFE.

javajaws said:

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I thought the score and audio effects were for the most part excellent to outstanding. The only small nit I had was that for some of these scenes that were either epic in scale or otherwise "otherworldly" I would have expected more low frequency effects. There were some..but not quite the magnitude I would have expected / hoped for. I'm talking house shaking feel it in your bones type LFE.

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The soundtrack is full of them but I agree. We just did Tenet which I was worried would blow the theater apart. I wanted a little more of the oomph.

There was one quick line, by which character I can't remember, about the Emperor feeling threatened by House Atreides or something. I guess threatened by either their growing power or popularity? I would have liked a bit more of that as well, but I also kind of like the A New Hope vibe of it all, where they hopefully save the Emperor for the sequel.

That interesting, your interpretation of Duncan with Stilgar being an alternate vision of the future. Because I took that as Paul simply being able to see the past, when Duncan infiltrated the freeman, and was with Stilgar, before the rest of House Atreides arrived. I have no idea which is one right, but I never considered it to be an alternate vision, and I guess it might very well be.

I'm also interested for the explanation about the opening Dreams quote. It even came before the studio cards. I believe the language was the saluda secundas / sardaukar language.

I don't think I've ever heard dialogue *before* the studio logos. That was an interesting choice.

GiveEmHellBill said:

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Can I also use this thread to say that Blade Runner 2049 is one of the best pieces of science fiction of this century?

Because it is.

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Right there with you.

AliasMan02 said:

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As often as I've read the book I can't recall specifically, but I believe there is a one liner in there about Paul seeing Idaho's survival as one possibility.

This is one of the things that makes me wish this was one long 5 hour movie. DV did a pretty good job partitioning things, but the visions of the future is something emphasized in Part One that REALLY doesn't pay off until Part Two. Would be GREAT to be able to watch it all through.

It's like I'm sure a lot of people are wondering WTH is up with that stupid mouse that keeps showing up but is never referenced or given any import in the slightest.

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Ha, I took the mouse to be nothing more than a literal analogy. Over a shot of the mouse, Chani says something to the effect of (and this is completely butchering it), if a mouse can survive in the desert, so can we/you. You're telling me that mouse has an actual part to play in the plot going forward?

Not in the plot, but in the book lore.

TCTTS said:

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That interesting, your interpretation of Duncan with Stilgar being an alternate vision of the future. Because I took that as Paul simply being able to see the past, when Duncan infiltrated the freeman, and was with Stilgar, before the rest of House Atreides arrived. I have no idea which is one right, but I never considered it to be an alternate vision, and I guess it might very well be.

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He had that vision before Duncan left right? THen in the desert, he recognized the location. That's how I took it.