Reopening Schools

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Keegan99 said:

There is no rational reason for allowing private day cares to operate but prohibiting private schools from doing the same.


My assumption, until the governor stepped in was that daycares with school age kids would be the next to be shut down for "consistency" We've got a bunch of after school places that are planing on opening full day and getting kids to their zoom classes, helping with homework, etc.
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AggieT said:

I think amercer nailed it above.

Houston won't allow any schools to open until HISD is ready to open. Imagine the **** storm if private schools (and other local districts) open successfully while HISD remains closed.
I don't see how they stop them.

One of the private Episcopal schools in the RGV, upper valley, just bought a big ass old bank building are are going balls to the wall to turn it into classrooms. And, they are real smart, they are going to marry up with a Catholic school to share space and some instruction.

The fur flying that will occur if they try to stop them will be interesting down here.
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Bridge City ISD opened today. Wish my school district had their leadership.
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Lina and Sly have already issued the order. Religious private schools are exempt, all others are closed (including ours). Paxton has issued a contrary opinion since then, so we will see what happens on Sept 8th.
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amercer said:

Keegan99 said:

There is no rational reason for allowing private day cares to operate but prohibiting private schools from doing the same.


My assumption, until the governor stepped in was that daycares with school age kids would be the next to be shut down for "consistency" We've got a bunch of after school places that are planing on opening full day and getting kids to their zoom classes, helping with homework, etc.
And there is no evidence that daycares have been responsible for mass spreading. My kids have been going for the majority of COVID and there has not been a single case.
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Well to add a little (reasonable) conspiracy theory, day cares don't hurt school district enrollment numbers. Private schools opening for in person learning do...

The order here was that private schools couldn't open, and it would be re-evaluated Oct 1st, which is after the enrollment cutoff day for fed funding numbers....

I'm inclined to think it was more straightforward concern by the teachers union that they had shut the public schools and would look bad with the rich kids still getting to go though.
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Get hyped for school.
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This is gonna end badly...
Yes with exactly Zero deaths and a few dozen mildly sick teenagers (the ones that havent already been exposed)
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Do the kids in Sweden have the same makeup as kids here?
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Charpie said:

Do the kids in Sweden have the same makeup as kids here?


I think they wear more eye liner, but by and large, it's pretty close. What does that have to do with the rona?
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In what way?

Sweden kept schools open for those 16 and under throughout the course of their outbreak.
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tysker said:

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This is gonna end badly...
Yes with exactly Zero deaths and a few dozen mildly sick teenagers (the ones that havent already been exposed)


The teachers didn't need to come?
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culdeus said:

tysker said:

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This is gonna end badly...
Yes with exactly Zero deaths and a few dozen mildly sick teenagers (the ones that havent already been exposed)


The teachers didn't need to come?
Did the teachers wear masks and socially distance? Are the teachers considered "high risk"? The younger and healthy teachers are similarly going to get exposed and some are going to have mild symptoms, generally speaking. Very few are going to need hospitalization and even less will die.
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Keegan99 said:


What do the numbers represent, risk over what it is for all occupations? Where do other occupations rank, such as health care workers, farmers, hairdressers, etc., etc.? Are those listed the most at risk, least at risk, or is the selection just pulled out of someone's ass?
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tysker said:

culdeus said:

tysker said:

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This is gonna end badly...
Yes with exactly Zero deaths and a few dozen mildly sick teenagers (the ones that havent already been exposed)


The teachers didn't need to come?
Did the teachers wear masks and socially distance? Are the teachers considered "high risk"? The younger and healthy teachers are similarly going to get exposed and some are going to have mild symptoms, generally speaking. Very few are going to need hospitalization and even less will die.

Well great then.
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A lot.

While the risk in Sweden is lower, they also tend to be healthier, have less Hispanics and African Americans etc.
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Willy Wonka said:

Charpie said:

Do the kids in Sweden have the same makeup as kids here?


I think they wear more eye liner, but by and large, it's pretty close. What does that have to do with the rona?
The Swedes do love their heavy metal
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FishrCoAg said:

Keegan99 said:


What do the numbers represent, risk over what it is for all occupations? Where do other occupations rank, such as health care workers, farmers, hairdressers, etc., etc.? Are those listed the most at risk, least at risk, or is the selection just pulled out of someone's ass?
The people that are infected report their occupation. What's not clear?
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A risk factor of 1 is no more or less risky than any other occupation. In other words, the likelihood of infection was no more or less than any other working age adult.
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culdeus said:

FishrCoAg said:

Keegan99 said:


What do the numbers represent, risk over what it is for all occupations? Where do other occupations rank, such as health care workers, farmers, hairdressers, etc., etc.? Are those listed the most at risk, least at risk, or is the selection just pulled out of someone's ass?
The people that are infected report their occupation. What's not clear?
The bolded part is not clear, for starters. Only the 9 occupations on the chart were infected?
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No, it's a sampling to show high-risk vs. low-risk.

Teachers were right in the middle. In other words, nothing special about schools.
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https://www.thelocal.se/20200625/study-these-are-the-professions-which-are-over-represented-in-swedens-coronavirus-statistics
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Keegan99 said:

https://www.thelocal.se/20200625/study-these-are-the-professions-which-are-over-represented-in-swedens-coronavirus-statistics
This is useful, thanks.
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That's helpful. Also note that it is from March thru May. Has anything changed in the last 2 months?
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Yea, Sweden has reached burnout, so there's now effectively zero risk.
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I can't believe, although I really can, that it's August and fear is still winning over facts in the the school reopening debate.
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Keegan99 said:




Some teacher was *****ing on Facebook about having to actually go in. And this was to a 500 sq foot room by herself.

She also complained her coworkers weren't wearing masks while alone in their own rooms. Obviously completely missing the point that masks are for when social distancing can't be maintained.

This is the kind of stupidity/fear mongering we have to combat thanks to the media.
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As we speak to more parents, many of those that are opting for virtual are doing so not because of health concerns but because they are concerned that the in-school scenario will be a **** show of mixed messages and distractions. Parents are using this first grading period as a test run watching how other students and parents response to the mitigation protocols. We've heard that kids in our grade school may have to take a piece of plexiglass with them when receiving individualized services (ARDs).
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I had to run an errand in Rio Grande City today. Starr county is one of the counties wanting to shut everything down and lock everything up. Schools are not going to open.

Sooooooo what do they do? They have school buses out and about driving in different areas with banners on them saying "Mobile School Registration" and it looks like a group of people/school district employees are going door to door. I saw a group of about 6 or 8 people all talking out in the street.

This action makes perfect sense if you are truly serious about locking down and shutting things down. What a crock.
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Keegan99 said:

Yea, Sweden has reached burnout, so there's now effectively zero risk.
How do you state that definitively when there is very little research on what the burnout rate is? The 10% to 20% burnout rate is contrived and unsubstantiated. This is the same as hoping and praying the virus was going to disappear in the summer heat of Texas.
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No it's not the same. There are now mountains of empirical data.

There was never empirical data showing a summer ebb.
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DTP02 said:

I can't believe, although I really can, that it's August and fear is still winning over facts in the the school reopening debate.
What is really unbelievable is how you still refuse to believe it. That's the nature of a novel virus. Nobody knows for certain what is going to happen.

In addition, when you use "fear" it carries a negative connotation. I contend that when you make a flawed argument valuing the head over the heart, you are failing to acknowledge that all decisions logical or not are tinged with emotion. Whether you believe that the virus creates a risk or not, the fear is real and the mitigation nightmare that awaits teachers when face-to-face instruction occurs is a cause for concern. I don't know if you have been in the classroom and recognize the complexities and challenges required to be an effective teacher. Now, add the myriad of measures that are in place to ensure the safety of everyone on campuses.

Also, using Sweden as the primary data point for opening campuses in the US is a never will be enough to convince teachers, staff, parents, health officials, and administration that there is little risk. Sweden did not do extensive research regarding schools and spread of the virus.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/how-sweden-wasted-rare-opportunity-study-coronavirus-schools
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The one country that could have definitively answered that question has apparently failed to collect any data. Bucking a global trend, Sweden has kept day care centers and schools through ninth grade open since COVID-19 emerged, without any major adjustments to class size, lunch policies, or recess rules. That made the country a perfect natural experiment about schools' role in viral spread that many others could have learned from as they reopen schools or ponder when to do so. Yet Swedish officials have not tracked infections among school childreneven when large outbreaks led to the closure of individual schools or staff members died of the disease.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-countries-reopened-schools-pandemic.html
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However, officials in Stockholm have admitted they don't know how the disease may have affected teachers, parents and other adults in schools.
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That complicates school reopenings in the U.S., with its soaring COVID-19 cases, limited testing capacity and decentralized education system. Most countries have national education systems. In the U.S., school officials in all 50 states must sort through the same politicized messaging and confusing data as everyone else to make their own decisions about whether, when and how to welcome back students.
https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/20200706-SchoolsSummary.pdf
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Seroprevalence surveys conducted by the Swedish Public Health Agency found that the antibody prevalence in children/teenagers was 4.7% compared with 6.7% in adults age 20-64 and 2.7% in adults age 65-70. The relatively high rate in children suggests there may have been significant spread in schools.

Here is one fact for you: until widespread community spread is lowered to at least 5% (3% in NYC), campuses around the country will remain closed. Here's how you can help: wear a mask, socially distance, acknowledge the challenges campuses and districts face, recognize that plans continue to change without centralized guidance, and stop telling people there is nothing to worry about when campuses reopen.
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Sweden has done plenty of research.

As have two dozen other countries in Europe that have opened schools.

You just choose not to find it and instead pull up an article from May.
 
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