A temp less than 100? Having such low and strict thresholds + extended time away is only going to incentivize some parents and staff to lie and cheat.Quote:
My SIL working for a Dallas area ISD called in sick today because she was running a 99.x fever. She was told she can't come back to work until she has a negative test. She can't get a test appt until Saturday and then it will be 3-7 days to get results.
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People would figure out a "home-school" solution...hire private teachers etc...and may likely never return to publc schools...they have to consider such things. Also, voting. People will vote them out of office if they do that. School will be back in session unless this virus mutates to something awful...
Agreed - my SIL thought she was doing the right thing and would be told to come back after she had been fever free (which technically she already is) for 48 hours or so. Nope...tysker said:A temp less than 100? Having such low and strict thresholds + extended time away is only going to incentivize some parents and staff to lie and cheat.Quote:
My SIL working for a Dallas area ISD called in sick today because she was running a 99.x fever. She was told she can't come back to work until she has a negative test. She can't get a test appt until Saturday and then it will be 3-7 days to get results.
I can guarantee you that after they go through all their leave, staff are going to do all they can to get past the temp checks so they can continue to work and get paid.
One of my former teachers used to say, "let's break this down to the low gravy."Maroon Elephant said:
I'm not saying we shouldn't reopen, I absolutely believe we should and we must reopen schools. I'm saying our chicken sh*t politicians will not allow it to happen.
It comes down to this: Accept that some of us will become sick, attempt to mitigate the spread with normal preventive measures, insist that we have traditional instruction as close to normal as possible, only require those showing symptoms to stay home, and do not quarantine or shut down a campus unless the outbreak is severe.
I don't think drastic measures will be effective enough if our goal is to prevent campus spread. Although minuscule fatality rate for the young and healthy, this virus spreads like wildfire: R0 of 2.3. Lenghty, contiguous incubation period. 20% hospitalization rate. Often long recovery time.
What is our risk tolerance moving forward? If your child comes to school, business as usual. If you want to stay at home, here is your child's distance learning curriculum. We will support you.
The alternative. 100% online.
A fever of under 100 is not recognized as a fever, at least by my pediatrician. Are they getting medical guidance?lunchbox said:
My SIL working for a Dallas area ISD called in sick today because she was running a 99.x fever. She was told she can't come back to work until she has a negative test. She can't get a test appt until Saturday and then it will be 3-7 days to get results.
No idea about the school. If they are like everyone else, they are making up the rules as they go along until the district gives them official guidelines to follow.88planoAg said:A fever of under 100 is not recognized as a fever, at least by my pediatrician. Are they getting medical guidance?lunchbox said:
My SIL working for a Dallas area ISD called in sick today because she was running a 99.x fever. She was told she can't come back to work until she has a negative test. She can't get a test appt until Saturday and then it will be 3-7 days to get results.
My SIL woke up feeling a little crummy, took her temp and decided to call in sick. She wasn't even going to go to the doctor until she was told she had to test.
go to one of the free testing sites in Dallas and get there early. They can test at least 500 people per day during the week and they are closed on sundays. Get in line early though, like right when they open. I got there 30 min after opening and had to wait 4 hours because they were backed up. But I got my results within 24 hours. Its free and they use the self test which doesn't require the swab all the way up into your sinuses. Ilunchbox said:The problem is going to be how they are able to return to work.rojo_ag said:I'm starting to think that in this reality; if you have any Covid-19-like symptoms, you should consider staying at home.Robk said:
You touch a bit on my question as a Teacher. I go to school a lot when I feel "under the weather". What should constitute being sick for teachers and students. Do I or my kids stay home if we have a cough. Do we stay home if we feel a little feverish but dont have 100 degree fever. What about allergies. There really can be no definitive guidance.
My SIL working for a Dallas area ISD called in sick today because she was running a 99.x fever. She was told she can't come back to work until she has a negative test. She can't get a test appt until Saturday and then it will be 3-7 days to get results.
If that is the mindset going forward across the state, you are going to have people either go to work sick or be out for several days because they were being cautious.
lunchbox said:Agreed - my SIL thought she was doing the right thing and would be told to come back after she had been fever free (which technically she already is) for 48 hours or so. Nope...tysker said:A temp less than 100? Having such low and strict thresholds + extended time away is only going to incentivize some parents and staff to lie and cheat.Quote:
My SIL working for a Dallas area ISD called in sick today because she was running a 99.x fever. She was told she can't come back to work until she has a negative test. She can't get a test appt until Saturday and then it will be 3-7 days to get results.
I can guarantee you that after they go through all their leave, staff are going to do all they can to get past the temp checks so they can continue to work and get paid.
As some of the docs have said on here, there may still be inactive RNA that gives a positive result even though you are clear of active virus and have no symptoms. Could be 6-8 weeks before you actually test negative. That would be a problem.
The other problem is kids sitting in the back seat without much air or standing at the bus stop. My kids get dropped off at day care and my kid that gets the eastern sun typically test in the 99F area and 10 minutes later is normal.
https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/children-and-covid-19
From the Netherlands.
From the Netherlands.
Quote:
Worldwide, relatively few children have been reported with COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus. Data from the Netherlands also confirms the current understanding: that children play a minor role in the spread of the novel coronavirus. The virus is mainly spread between adults and from adult family members to children. The spread of COVID-19 among children or from children to adults is less common.
My prediction is there will be no in classroom school, no sports, no extracurricular activities for fall. If schools have not published plans by now they have no clue what to do.
Think that is a terrible prediction.
I think there will be some in-classroom school, but there will be online options virtually everywhere.revvie said:
My prediction is there will be no in classroom school, no sports, no extracurricular activities for fall. If schools have not published plans by now they have no clue what to do.
I highly doubt we see any major team sports (outside of something like tennis) / band / choir this year.
I predict we will have in person school, but that they may have outages if there are cases where teachers will be subs or kids have to go online for a couple of weeks here and there. To me more of an issue in the pk to grade three where foundation learning is so important. Those kids need a full year of school. Face it most juniors and seniors have pretty much learned everything they really need to know and will survive in college and careers.
I just hope that everybody remembers that perfect is the enemy of good. I also hope that people are able to deal with a bit of uncertainty and "figure it out as we go".
The reason I say that is that I feel like so many parents, teachers and administrators are getting so stressed out over every aspect of this. It's important to keep perspective and to control what we can control. There was an article in a prominent newspaper where a teacher was in tears because she was wondering how she could possibly teach elementary aged kids without having carpet time -- I sympathize with her anxiety about teaching in a new normal, but that same anxiety can apply to almost any profession. I am trying to do sales without being able to meet with customers.
I am not an administrator, my only insight is from my wife teaching. I would love an approach that would center on in-person teaching for everyone who wants it (acknowledging that some families and teachers may prefer to school from home due to elevated risk factors). Schooling from home is a system that really hurts our lower income students and students from homes with working parents. I also acknowledge situations may come up where class may need to be shut down for 2 weeks or protocols may have to be adjusted on the fly to account for new developments in understanding of the disease.
I understand that in a 180 day school year, there's a scenario where we might only get 100 days of in-person schooling due to different interruptions (made up numbers). My perspective would be that 100 days of in person schooling is better than 0 and as long as we're operating in good faith to protect teachers and students while providing the highest quality education then we are doing the right thing.
Thank you to the administrators who are juggling the many stakeholder's points of view to come up with a solution for our kids and thank you to the teachers who are trying to figure this all out on the fly with great uncertainty. I personally don't expect perfection.
The reason I say that is that I feel like so many parents, teachers and administrators are getting so stressed out over every aspect of this. It's important to keep perspective and to control what we can control. There was an article in a prominent newspaper where a teacher was in tears because she was wondering how she could possibly teach elementary aged kids without having carpet time -- I sympathize with her anxiety about teaching in a new normal, but that same anxiety can apply to almost any profession. I am trying to do sales without being able to meet with customers.
I am not an administrator, my only insight is from my wife teaching. I would love an approach that would center on in-person teaching for everyone who wants it (acknowledging that some families and teachers may prefer to school from home due to elevated risk factors). Schooling from home is a system that really hurts our lower income students and students from homes with working parents. I also acknowledge situations may come up where class may need to be shut down for 2 weeks or protocols may have to be adjusted on the fly to account for new developments in understanding of the disease.
I understand that in a 180 day school year, there's a scenario where we might only get 100 days of in-person schooling due to different interruptions (made up numbers). My perspective would be that 100 days of in person schooling is better than 0 and as long as we're operating in good faith to protect teachers and students while providing the highest quality education then we are doing the right thing.
Thank you to the administrators who are juggling the many stakeholder's points of view to come up with a solution for our kids and thank you to the teachers who are trying to figure this all out on the fly with great uncertainty. I personally don't expect perfection.
revvie said:
My prediction is there will be no in classroom school, no sports, no extracurricular activities for fall. If schools have not published plans by now they have no clue what to do.
Cy Fair looks to be giving two options based on their post on Facebook today
In person or online
The ISD's outside of the Large Metro Areas in the state are going to deal with this much better.
Our school district (Richardson) will offer three options: in-person, synchronous online and asynchronous online. K-3 can only pick in-person and synchronous online.
We haven't decided what we want to do yet. I think we have until the end of July to let them know.
I look forward to my property taxes going down when less school instruction is provided!
elbow said:
Our school district (Richardson) will offer three options: in-person, synchronous online and asynchronous online. K-3 can only pick in-person and synchronous online.
We haven't decided what we want to do yet. I think we have until the end of July to let them know.
How are they planning to manage sync online? By cameras in the classrooms? I'm sure teachers will just love every Karen getting on their ass about little Johnny not being called on enough.
Conroe ISD Superintendent will have an update on Facebook Live this evening at 6 PM.
I'm not in Texas, we live in Alaska and have already gotten word that our district schedule will be reduced not matter the "risk level". At the very best (green) we'll have school for our kids for half days on M, T, Th & F so the class sizes will be halved. There will be a swap a lunch time for the 2nd half of the kids. Distance learning will be expected during Wednesdays and home time.
Yellow schedule is the same as green except there will be even further restriction in place to ensure distancing.
Red will force all kids back to home schooling until the infection rate slows to a yellow or below.
The infection risk levels (green, yellow, red) are to be defined by the State of Alaska and updated daily. All "special classes" such as music, PE, library, etc will be supported through the home learning portion of a student's day.
It appears as if working from home for the next year is expected for my family. It honestly hasn't been that bad as we've got a nice set up of office space for my wife and I. Winter will be hard as we transition into minimal daylight.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nQ9nuyjfkjTtZ3boTQ-lI1oAKYDebktdlGG7g5nwSA0/edit
Yellow schedule is the same as green except there will be even further restriction in place to ensure distancing.
Red will force all kids back to home schooling until the infection rate slows to a yellow or below.
The infection risk levels (green, yellow, red) are to be defined by the State of Alaska and updated daily. All "special classes" such as music, PE, library, etc will be supported through the home learning portion of a student's day.
It appears as if working from home for the next year is expected for my family. It honestly hasn't been that bad as we've got a nice set up of office space for my wife and I. Winter will be hard as we transition into minimal daylight.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nQ9nuyjfkjTtZ3boTQ-lI1oAKYDebktdlGG7g5nwSA0/edit
culdeus said:elbow said:
Our school district (Richardson) will offer three options: in-person, synchronous online and asynchronous online. K-3 can only pick in-person and synchronous online.
We haven't decided what we want to do yet. I think we have until the end of July to let them know.
How are they planning to manage sync online? By cameras in the classrooms? I'm sure teachers will just love every Karen getting on their ass about little Johnny not being called on enough.
Yes, they said that some teachers will have all-online classrooms and others will have the in-person classrooms, probably divided up by underlying conditions. They are being trained in it now.
I assume it will be like how they handled the zoom classes they had in the spring. K-6 kids have an iPad and 7-12 kids have a chrome book. They held zoom classes a couple of times a week, and that was nice to see the teachers and her friends. If online is still an option in the fall, we'll probably buy a computer with a larger screen because the iPad was a little too small to see the teachers, videos and powerpoints very well.
The one counter example you will hear a lot on school re-openings is Israel, where they had to roll back some school openings due to outbreaks at the schools:
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/06/03/868507524/israel-orders-schools-to-close-when-covid-19-cases-are-discovered
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/06/03/868507524/israel-orders-schools-to-close-when-covid-19-cases-are-discovered
Quote:
Two weeks after Israel fully reopened schools, a COVID-19 outbreak sweeping through classrooms including at least 130 cases at a single school has led officials to close dozens of schools where students and staff were infected. A new policy orders any school where a virus case emerges to close.
The government decision, announced Wednesday evening, comes after more than 200 cases have been confirmed among students and staff at various schools. At least 244 students and school employees have tested positive for the coronavirus, according to the Ministry of Education. At least 42 kindergartens and schools have been shuttered indefinitely. More than 6,800 students and teachers are in home quarantine by government order.
HotardAg07 said:
The one counter example you will hear a lot on school re-openings is Israel, where they had to roll back some school openings due to outbreaks at the schools:
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/06/03/868507524/israel-orders-schools-to-close-when-covid-19-cases-are-discoveredQuote:
Two weeks after Israel fully reopened schools, a COVID-19 outbreak sweeping through classrooms including at least 130 cases at a single school has led officials to close dozens of schools where students and staff were infected. A new policy orders any school where a virus case emerges to close.
The government decision, announced Wednesday evening, comes after more than 200 cases have been confirmed among students and staff at various schools. At least 244 students and school employees have tested positive for the coronavirus, according to the Ministry of Education. At least 42 kindergartens and schools have been shuttered indefinitely. More than 6,800 students and teachers are in home quarantine by government order.
They say how many infections but how many had any symptoms? How many mild? How many hospitalized?
Right? It looks like another "case" frenzy without more information.
I filled out the parent survey today. From chatting with other moms in my neighborhood, it looks like most of us are leaning for the online option.
One interesting thing I learned was that some families let their kids play together during the lockdown. This is a neighborhood where kids are out all day playing and riding their bikes, and you see bikes piled on front lawns.
Anyway, some families knew that kids were generally safe so they let them do their thing without precautions and some parents got sick from their kids. The kids had antibodies but never developed any symptoms, not even a runny nose. The mom is mostly recovered and the dad has an oxygen tank at home for the time being. They say he doesn't have any underlying conditions but he is a bit heavyset. So hopefully it's just a few weeks of misery for him and he gets better.
One interesting thing I learned was that some families let their kids play together during the lockdown. This is a neighborhood where kids are out all day playing and riding their bikes, and you see bikes piled on front lawns.
Anyway, some families knew that kids were generally safe so they let them do their thing without precautions and some parents got sick from their kids. The kids had antibodies but never developed any symptoms, not even a runny nose. The mom is mostly recovered and the dad has an oxygen tank at home for the time being. They say he doesn't have any underlying conditions but he is a bit heavyset. So hopefully it's just a few weeks of misery for him and he gets better.
Glad they are allowing the option. Allows people to make the decision they feel best / most comfortable with.
At one point I thought more would go to school vs online but posts like yours and what I am hearing...i tend to agree...seems like more may do online which honestly surprises me with all the logistical / learning challenges from home (none that cant be overcome but its def not super easy).
At one point I thought more would go to school vs online but posts like yours and what I am hearing...i tend to agree...seems like more may do online which honestly surprises me with all the logistical / learning challenges from home (none that cant be overcome but its def not super easy).
best way to separate the sincere from the insincere is to give the option to be online...but if you do, no extracurriculars. You don't feel safe coming to school, you don't get to suddenly feel safe for band, sports, etc. It's one or the other.
My kids school district emailed yesterday (San Diego area, top rated district). Choice will be 100% in person or 100% remote. In line with survey we did about 6 weeks ago where only 20% wanted all remote and 60% wanted full time.
Friend in Portland, OR found out his kids school is 4th grade and younger, 100% back. 5th and above hybrid. Seems stupid.
Friend in Portland, OR found out his kids school is 4th grade and younger, 100% back. 5th and above hybrid. Seems stupid.
that makes zero sense....ORAggieFan said:
Friend in Portland, OR found out his kids school is 4th grade and younger, 100% back. 5th and above hybrid. Seems stupid.
Even worse for him, he has a 5th grader and 3rd grader. Brutal.planoaggie123 said:that makes zero sense....ORAggieFan said:
Friend in Portland, OR found out his kids school is 4th grade and younger, 100% back. 5th and above hybrid. Seems stupid.
planoaggie123 said:that makes zero sense....ORAggieFan said:
Friend in Portland, OR found out his kids school is 4th grade and younger, 100% back. 5th and above hybrid. Seems stupid.
I expect our boys' school to do a hybrid. Still gives some in-person but limits more than full time in person. I'm hoping it's half in person and half remote. Better than 100% remote.
Doesn't work as well for younger grades so makes sense that it breaks in at the older grades.
I think we're looking at 2 days in person, 2 days virtual (and I guess 1 day of WTF)
My 7th grader should be ok for another semester of this (although she hates it)
My 4th grader may never recover academically if he doesn't get back in the classroom soon.
My 7th grader should be ok for another semester of this (although she hates it)
My 4th grader may never recover academically if he doesn't get back in the classroom soon.
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