Reopening Schools

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cone said:

so it's the hospital capacity not the teachers safety?

sorry not trying to be impossible just asking probing questions. sorry not trying to be overly difficult.


I'll ask 2 quick questions I'd like you to actually answer.

What is the job teachers are paid to do?

Are teachers essential like daycare workers?
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cone said:

so it's the hospital capacity not the teachers safety?

sorry not trying to be impossible just asking probing questions. sorry not trying to be overly difficult.
That's all you do.
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cone said:

so it's the hospital capacity not the teachers safety?

sorry not trying to be impossible just asking probing questions. sorry not trying to be overly difficult.


Teachers where I'm at overwhelmingly want to come back. The ones that don't want to come back hate online teaching so much I bet they'll be relieved to come back. But again, if they can't find anyone to watch their young kids during the day that's not an option.

I do think there will be 7-14 day quarantines when students/teachers/other employees test positive. Who's going to drive those buses, teach those classes, or make the food that's going out to remote or in-person students?
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Charpie said:

cone said:

so it's the hospital capacity not the teachers safety?

sorry not trying to be impossible just asking probing questions. sorry not trying to be overly difficult.
That's all you do.
Actually on the last two pages, for this moment in time...I'm gonna have to side with Cone on this one.

Now all of a sudden a vaccine isn't the answer? What is the answer for a teacher?
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Willy Wonka said:

Charpie said:

cone said:

so it's the hospital capacity not the teachers safety?

sorry not trying to be impossible just asking probing questions. sorry not trying to be overly difficult.
That's all you do.
Actually on the last two pages, for this moment in time...I'm gonna have to side with Cone on this one.

Now all of a sudden a vaccine isn't the answer? What is the answer for a teacher?

If teachers don't want to be in the classroom, they need to find another job honestly. Teachers are about as essential as it gets and they need to suck it up and get back to work.
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asking questions is difficult

no wonder we're in the state we're in
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but isn't that more of a reason to have all essential employees take the vaccine?

i'm lost here. we can't open schools because of hospital capacity. teachers want to go back, but if they do they'll catch it and have to shut down. we shouldn't give education employees the vaccine, but the vaccine is the key to return to normalcy.

nothing here is coherent.

or is the contention that schools can't really reopen until the disease is eradicated?

i just would like a clear through line
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88planoAg
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huh. This is interesting:

"The standard that we use in hospital settings is if the other person is not wearing a mask, but you have a mask and eye protection, then you are protected even though you have been with them for more than 15 minutes within 6 feet," Woo said.

So if this is true, kids wear masks, teacher wears mask and face shield, and we get schools open! Right?

https://www.tpr.org/post/boerne-isd-starts-school-year-face-face-instruction?fbclid=IwAR3OGPCLTPq4yLWa__U7uRyMVo8Nh3WXPZBzeeKjo0QyveyueDnuo8ILxK8
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88planoAg said:

huh. This is interesting:

"The standard that we use in hospital settings is if the other person is not wearing a mask, but you have a mask and eye protection, then you are protected even though you have been with them for more than 15 minutes within 6 feet," Woo said.

So if this is true, kids wear masks, teacher wears mask and face shield, and we get schools open! Right?

https://www.tpr.org/post/boerne-isd-starts-school-year-face-face-instruction?fbclid=IwAR3OGPCLTPq4yLWa__U7uRyMVo8Nh3WXPZBzeeKjo0QyveyueDnuo8ILxK8

This is how we are doing it at our local school. Masks for 4th grade and up when you can't be 6ft apart and teachers wear a mask/face shields. So far so good after being back for 1 week. We are 2A so obviously it's easier to do than a 5-6A.
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cone said:

asking questions is difficult

no wonder we're in the state we're in


Still waiting for you to answer my questions at the top of the page.
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sure np
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What is the job teachers are paid to do?

Are teachers essential like daycare workers?

1. Educate students, typically over the course of 8 hours per weekday, ~8 months out of the year.

2. I consider education to be essential to a functioning society.

sorry i missed your call out before
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I actually appreciate both of those questions. I'm a huge advocate for the importance of proper phonics instruction. As you apparently know (which many people don't), the shape of one's mouth when forming a sound can be very beneficial for students who are learning to differentiate sounds. The discussions I've had with current teachers along that line involve several different solutions.
I know teachers who have purchased masks with clear windows in them so that students will be able to see their mouths during direct phonics instruction. Other teachers are removing their mask briefly and wearing clear shields. I've heard of teachers who are recording themselves demonstrating the sounds and mouth shapes that go along with them so they can show the video clip during phonics instruction. Still others have built plexiglass dividers for their small group tables (which is really where the most effective and magical teaching happens) so that they don't need a mask during the small group instruction. In this case, they often have built dividers between students, too, so that parents won't mind if students remove their masks. I know many teachers who have purchased lapel microphones or headset microphones so that their speech is clearer to students, too. Lots of teachers who are spending their own money to provide the best instruction for our young learners.

The social emotional question is another great one. Again, primary teachers actually explicitly teach this every year. This year, I assume their focus will actually be on reading people's eyes and other body language. In addition, I anticipate teachers will use social stories much like the ones that SLPs have used for years that include pictures of animated faces and discussions of the meaning of their expressions.

Is this ideal? No. Is 2020 ideal? Hell no. Our entire society is adapting and overcoming every single day. The teachers I know are stepping up to figure out how to reach these children whether they're tasked to do so online or in person.

There are no perfect answers, but I'm really grateful that the people in our community seem to understand that teachers are trying and won't stop trying. The support on social media has been pretty overwhelming.
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Teachers teach. Its in their blood regardless of circumstances and burdens. The good ones, of which there are many, don't get enough credit.
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cone said:

but isn't that more of a reason to have all essential employees take the vaccine?

i'm lost here. we can't open schools because of hospital capacity. teachers want to go back, but if they do they'll catch it and have to shut down. we shouldn't give education employees the vaccine, but the vaccine is the key to return to normalcy.

nothing here is coherent.

or is the contention that schools can't really reopen until the disease is eradicated?

i just would like a clear through line


I don't mean to be arguing about the vaccine. Can we agree that should be a game changer for fighting COVID? (Can we even agree this is different than the flu?) I don't know if the vaccine will (or should be) required for all essential employees - maybe I'm reaching by assuming it will improve things. And I don't know if you're referring to me when you say it should be eradicated before we do anything - I've never hinted at that, and I'm pretty sure that won't happen even after a vaccine (hasn't there only been one eradicated virus?).

I'm not fighting to keep the schools closed. I want the schools open, and let them require masks if they want to. Give kids the option to do online or in person. Maybe even start with elementary first.

But I see where it's tough for districts to do. All those saying "Teachers/bus drivers/essential staff want to quit? Fine!" don't realize you can't magically put a legally qualified person in that spot on a days notice, at least maybe not yet. To start they have to figure out what to do with district employees kids, then deal with what happens if them or their kids have to be quarantined (whether They tested positive or just exposed). When you can do both, and obviously keep the kids safe, open the schools.

Whenever schools start I would imagine there will be COVID flare ups. Hopefully those won't overwhelm the hospitals, but if they do there will be tough decisions to be made.
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And Champion has its first case of Covid

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Fat fingers wrong emoji

Oh yes. Headlines everywhere.

The isd immediately sent an email, contacted all families and switched those kids to e-learning. Exactly as planned.

Media is having a hayday. No other schools open so all the focus is on Boerne.
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Can't the teachers just take a daily dose of HCQ and Zinc for precautionary purposes? People in Malaria prone countries take it every single day.
Charpie
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Who is gonna pay for it?
Who is gonna prescribe it?
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I'm glad to hear that.
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School nurse can give bags of ice to everyone that gets it!
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Charpie said:

Who is gonna pay for it?
Who is gonna prescribe it?

It's a very cheap drug so be more efficient with pencils and crayons and that should cover the difference. Now the prescription part may be challenging with all of the politicizing.
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Charpie said:

And Champion has its first case of Covid



At the end of this about 1/3 of us will have had it, many people not even noticing, the vast majority of us will be completely fine, we will undoubtedly give it to someone else, and tragically people will die.

When did the expectation ever be zero cases? This is an easily transmittable virus. We can't stop living our lives and e-learning is absolute BS and we all know it. I applaud BISD for doing what is best for their students, giving parents a choice, standing up to Bexar county, having and executing a plan.



Charpie
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Are you asking me about it? All I did was post a tweet.
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Not directed at you. Just an observation on the political theater and media drama about school reopenings.
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Sounds like the district is doing it right. Quarantine and test the folks exposed but not shutting down the entire school!

Charpie, you're in the northern Austin area correct? Is your district going back after the four weeks virtual?
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Ready to get my students in the room Wednesday. I hope our district will react the way Boerne has when we have people test positive. Kids are going to get it teachers are going to get it. Custodians, cafeteria workers, maintain. workers, admin etc... just don't panic and shut down. I teach a group that NEEDS me and needs the social interaction. Let's roll.
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MasterAggie said:

Ready to get my students in the room Wednesday. I hope our district will react the way Boerne has when we have people test positive. Kids are going to get it teachers are going to get it. Custodians, cafeteria workers, maintain. workers, admin etc... just don't panic and shut down. I teach a group that NEEDS me and needs the social interaction. Let's roll.
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RRISD. After 3 weeks, but we chose to keep the kid home for the full 9. The way the district is implementing back to school learning is stupid. They are keeping kids (High schoolers) in one classroom and parking them in front of a computer. They will take their classes virtually and not be allowed to move around campus. So she might as well stay home.

I am glad she chose to get a job. She's getting out of the house and socializing. She's doing much better now that she's out of the house more.
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re Boerne:

Fingers crossed the district holds the line. E-learning parents with an agenda are trying to shut it down. Board meeting Monday night.

The last board meeting was in person and the most ferocious opponents of in person school wouldn't attend because there was no virtual option. Hoping that remains the same and people show up Monday night in support.

I thought the district responded exactly as it should. Some parents are just looking to cause trouble.
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That's just people in general
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My son started back Wednesday in person in Prosper. When we picked him up from school yesterday he mentioned that his class had to move rooms on Friday and clean their home room because a girl that was there Wednesday wasn't there the next two days. We haven't received anything from the district or teacher and my wife freaked out a little bit but I am completely fine with how it was handled. No idea if it was Covid related or not although you would assume it was. This is also coming from the mind of a 10yr old in 4th grade.

In addition we also received this email from Prosper ISD last night. It's refreshing to see some openness about the numbers.

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If these parents want e-learning, does Boerne not have that option?

Are these parents just opposed to other people having the choice?
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Keegan99 said:

If these parents want e-learning, does Boerne not have that option?

Are these parents just opposed to other people having the choice?
They do have the option to e-learn. Yes they want no one to have a choice.

And remember Kendall county had 4 active cases when we started school.

But these parents want all virtual. They see the danger of opening as too great. Part of it is being adjacent to Bexar county. (But somehow even with all of our interconnectiveness with Bexar, Kendall hasn't had an out of control spike. )
 
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