Reopening Schools

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4:20p, 7/31/20
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For those who don't want to bother finding the .pdf with the full study:

6 to 10 yrs: 100 tests, 51 positive, 51%
11 to 17 yrs: 409 tests, 180 positive, 44%
18 to 21 yrs: 81 tests, 27 positive, 33%
22 to 59 yrs: 7 tests 2 positive, 29%

More telling is the breakdown by "cabin size"

(no. of persons/cabin)
Small (1 to 3) 13 tested, 5 positive, 38%
Medium (7 to 13) 75 tested, 29 positive, 39%
Large (16 to 26) 375 tested, 200 positive, 53%

So spending 8 hours, everyday (or night in this case) in a room with 16-26 sick kids seems like it might be a bad idea.
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In reply to deadbq03 • 4:36p, 7/31/20
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deadbq03 said:
For those who don't want to bother finding the .pdf with the full study:

6 to 10 yrs: 100 tests, 51 positive, 51%
11 to 17 yrs: 409 tests, 180 positive, 44%
18 to 21 yrs: 81 tests, 27 positive, 33%
22 to 59 yrs: 7 tests 2 positive, 29%

More telling is the breakdown by "cabin size"

(no. of persons/cabin)
Small (1 to 3) 13 tested, 5 positive, 38%
Medium (7 to 13) 75 tested, 29 positive, 39%
Large (16 to 26) 375 tested, 200 positive, 53%

So spending 8 hours, everyday (or night in this case) in a room with 16-26 sick kids seems like it might be a bad idea.


Now let's talk about symptoms.
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In reply to deadbq03 • 4:43p, 7/31/20
deadbq03 said:
For those who don't want to bother finding the .pdf with the full study:

6 to 10 yrs: 100 tests, 51 positive, 51%
11 to 17 yrs: 409 tests, 180 positive, 44%
18 to 21 yrs: 81 tests, 27 positive, 33%
22 to 59 yrs: 7 tests 2 positive, 29%

More telling is the breakdown by "cabin size"

(no. of persons/cabin)
Small (1 to 3) 13 tested, 5 positive, 38%
Medium (7 to 13) 75 tested, 29 positive, 39%
Large (16 to 26) 375 tested, 200 positive, 53%

So spending 8 hours, everyday (or night in this case) in a room with 16-26 sick kids seems like it might be a bad idea.


Thanks for posting the numbers.

When you factor in the timeline of events (older staffers passed it to younger children), this is in line with what many of us have been suggesting - open schools for the younger kids and hold back on jr high and high school (depending on infections in individual geographic areas, obviously).

A really useful companion to this study would be, out of the younger kids who tested positive, how many subsequently had immediate family members (who didn't attend camp) test positive and/or have symptoms.

This study certainly doesn't provide evidence that elementary-aged kids infect adults (they very well might, but that's not covered by this study), so it really shouldn't be used as support for keeping schools (esp elem schools) closed to keep teachers/adults safe.

Hat this data does show is that young kids can contract and carry the virus - but we knew that already. They just don't seem to get sick/as sick or transmit it.

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5:22p, 7/31/20
Weeks long overnight camps, with multiple unmasked campers sleeping together In Shared rooms, is a different animal than school.
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In reply to Complete Idiot • 5:28p, 7/31/20
Campers were only there 4 days before it got shut down. Yes it's still different but it's a data point for review
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In reply to Complete Idiot • 5:31p, 7/31/20
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Complete Idiot said:
Weeks long overnight camps, with multiple unmasked campers sleeping together I. Shared rooms, is a different animal than school.



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7:05p, 7/31/20
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Those numbers are concerning. Did the study mention severity of symptoms?
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7:07p, 7/31/20
Only thing I remember is ~25% asymptomatic
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In reply to jenn96 • 7:12p, 7/31/20
jenn96 said:
Those numbers are concerning. Did the study mention severity of symptoms?


They said they will publish a follow up report that addresses symptoms and subsequent household transmission.
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In reply to jenn96 • 8:33p, 7/31/20
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anyone done a study on the daycares that have been open the last 4 months?
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In reply to cone • 9:52p, 7/31/20
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Not that I'm aware of.
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In reply to cone • 9:58p, 7/31/20
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cone said:
anyone done a study on the daycares that have been open the last 4 months?


Completely anecdotal, but the daycare our son used to go, which is on our way to work, has not had any reported cases yet. I think their capacity is in the 150-200 range when you include those below 5 and the after school programs when everything is fired up. However the day care a couple miles from our house has had to close, I think they had 4 cases (not sure on their capacity). We pulled our son from the larger day care due to my wife being at-risk, he'll be going to a neighborhood mom when school starts back up.
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In reply to cone • 10:01p, 7/31/20
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My kids (just turned 1 and a 4 yo) we're going to a daycare, and at our pediatrician's advice we took them out March 16.

They had one in the infant room test positive, and closed that room. Later that day (or the next day) there were 2 additional positives, one in a different class and one we don't know about. The daycare/school was then closed for 2 weeks. We never found out if students or teachers tested positive.

We hear gossip but haven't heard about other cases (we suspect all positives were students but don't know).
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10:08p, 7/31/20
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My coworker has had her son in daycare the whole time, since March. They've had a few teachers test positive, including her son's teacher. Never had the kids tested because they've never had symptoms.
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10:48p, 7/31/20
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I wish I could find the raw data somewhere, but this article has updated numbers on daycares:

https://www.nbcdfw.com/investigations/covid-19-cases-spike-in-texas-daycare-will-classrooms-be-next/

2,810 cases
1,678 facilities with at least one positive test
About 2/3 cases are students, doesn't break down ages.
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In reply to jopatura • 11:03p, 7/31/20
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jopatura said:
I wish I could find the raw data somewhere, but this article has updated numbers on daycares:

https://www.nbcdfw.com/investigations/covid-19-cases-spike-in-texas-daycare-will-classrooms-be-next/

2,810 cases
1,678 facilities with at least one positive test
About 2/3 cases are students, doesn't break down ages.


And I think 1.1 million kids are in daycares in Texas.
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In reply to cone • 7:32a, 8/1/20
cone said:
anyone done a study on the daycares that have been open the last 4 months?


My wife runs a daycare out of our house for last couple of years. We have two kids of our own (9 & 11) and four everyday kids in the daycare. Nobody has caught it that we know of. I had a fever one day and immediately got tested (negative).
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10:36a, 8/2/20
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My daughter's daycare has been open the whole time with the exception of two weeks because two staff
Members tested positive. No kids have ever tested positive and most of the kids got tested after the staffers tested positive. Probably 75 or so kids at the facility.
"They weren't raiding a Girl Scout troop looking for overdue library books."
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In reply to 909Ag2006 • 10:44a, 8/2/20
909Ag2006 said:
My daughter's daycare has been open the whole time with the exception of two weeks because two staff
Members tested positive. No kids have ever tested positive and most of the kids got tested after the staffers tested positive. Probably 75 or so kids at the facility.


How isolated where the classes? Or did they interact with each other?
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11:25a, 8/2/20
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This doctor thinks it can be done safely if sufficient resources are devoted to doing it right: REOPEN

"All of these steps are hard. They require strong leadership and substantial resources. But if we don't take these actions and schools reopen prematurely, we will effectively have an uncontrolled experiment with students and teachers as the guinea pigs. Banks and airlines have been bailed out. Surely, we can dedicate the necessary resources to help our schools, too."
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In reply to 74OA • 11:33a, 8/2/20
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The keys are sufficient resources and appropriate timing.
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7:50p, 8/2/20
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Just teachers doing what's best for the kids...
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7:56p, 8/2/20
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Let em go.
'Bye.
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In reply to Keegan99 • 8:27p, 8/2/20
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Keegan99 said:






Just teachers doing what's best for the kids...


Just for fun, why do you think ending standardized testing or removing cops from schools is bad for kids?

EDIT: or really any of these things
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In reply to nai06 • 9:01p, 8/2/20
nai06 said:
Keegan99 said:






Just teachers doing what's best for the kids...


Just for fun, why do you think ending standardized testing or removing cops from schools is bad for kids?

EDIT: or really any of these things


How does limiting schooling choices only to public schools help kids?

How does cancelling rent and mortgage help kids?

I question whether the federal funds requested would go to help kids instead of just lining the pockets of the people pushing for more money.

Reads more like a shakedown than a list of items to improve the lives of students.
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In reply to nai06 • 9:27p, 8/2/20
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n said:
Just for fun, why do you think ending standardized testing or removing cops from schools is bad for kids?

EDIT: or really any of these things
You know where they don't have as many mandatory standardized tests or cops? Charter schools, private schools and home schools...
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In reply to nai06 • 9:27p, 8/2/20
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Banning charter schools? Banning private school choice?

Nothing to do with what's best for kids. That's everything to do with protecting $$$ and locking poor kids into failing schools with no alternative.

And yes, some type of standardized testing is necessary to measure performance and act as a brake on social promotion. And yes, some schools do need police officers on site.
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In reply to Keegan99 • 9:40p, 8/2/20
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Keegan99 said:
Banning charter schools? Banning private school choice?

Nothing to do with what's best for kids. That's everything to do with protecting $$$ and locking poor kids into failing schools with no alternative.

And yes, some type of standardized testing is necessary to measure performance and act as a brake on social promotion. And yes, some schools do need police officers on site.


I won't detail this thread. We'll just have to disagree on this.

Sorry for the interruption
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In reply to nai06 • 10:25p, 8/2/20
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banning private schools would be pretty ****ed up right now since public schools aren't teaching kids
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In reply to nai06 • 10:27p, 8/2/20
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agree to disagree on banning private schools

holy ****
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In reply to Keegan99 • 10:33p, 8/2/20
Keegan99 said:






Just teachers doing what's best for the kids...


**** teacher's unions.
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In reply to cone • 10:45p, 8/2/20
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cone said:
agree to disagree on banning private schools

holy ****


That's not what the tweet said or at least not how I interpreted it. I saw that as anti private school voucher. School choice is the verbage that pro voucher people typically use.
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3:09p, 8/3/20
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Our county health officials decided on Friday that private schools would not be allowed to open. The public schools here already decided to go online until February (read, until next fall). So the assumption is they didn't want to be embarrassed by the private schools opening and all the rich kids getting to go.

Governor came out this morning and reversed the order, but I doubt that will be the end of it.

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In reply to amercer • 3:43p, 8/3/20
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There is no rational reason for allowing private day cares to operate but prohibiting private schools from doing the same.
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In reply to Keegan99 • 3:52p, 8/3/20
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I think amercer nailed it above.

Houston won't allow any schools to open until HISD is ready to open. Imagine the **** storm if private schools (and other local districts) open successfully while HISD remains closed.
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