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Marvin said:

Greatest one-hit wonders...

Come on, Eileen
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You forgot "Video Killed the Radio Star", but I see where you're going, and agree 100%
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Hornbeck said:

Marvin said:

Greatest one-hit wonders...

Come on, Eileen
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You forgot "Video Killed the Radio Star", but I see where you're going, and agree 100%

I'm kicking myself for not adding Barry Switzer to the list.
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Farmer1906 said:

I have never met anyone outside of Rangers fans the reference all time head to head record. It's so completely ridiculous yet completely on brand.
I mean......sips
Just gotta execute
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AgEngr12 said:

Farmer1906 said:

I have never met anyone outside of Rangers fans the reference all time head to head record. It's so completely ridiculous yet completely on brand.
I mean......sips


Arkansas fans too
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Help me All Time Record, you're my only hope

South Platte
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Would now be a good time to remind Houston that they've never beaten Texas in a playoff series?

Will 1-0 hold up under a heated cross-examination??
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Marvin said:

Hornbeck said:

Marvin said:

Greatest one-hit wonders...

Come on, Eileen
Tainted Love
My Sharona
2023 Texas Rangers


You forgot "Video Killed the Radio Star", but I see where you're going, and agree 100%

I'm kicking myself for not adding Barry Switzer to the list.
Easy, easy camel cowboy. You're going to call out Switzer? Son of a bootlegger, 3X national champion? One of the coolest guys to walk the planet?
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Wow. What a great record! I'm super impressed!!!!!

Seems like one teams been in the post season a LOT here in the past few years and one had the stars align on their only trip deep enough to face the Astros.
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Does it feel like a mistake to not trade away the 8 guys who are free agents this offseason?
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Saw a fun little graph today that had team ERA on one axis and team OPS on the other, going back to the all star break.

The only team worse then Arlington in the ****ty at both quadrant was the White Sox. So you guys got that going for you.
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Farmer1906 said:


Farm System Rankings

28. Astros
29. Rangers




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Weird what happens when all your top prospects get called up over the past couple seasons….

This list also doesn't include Rocker or Teodo who are both lighting up AA ball. They'll both be in the top 50 when the next rankings drop.
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This ranking dropped a few days ago.

Are any of the top guy called up doing anything?
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gigem1223 said:

Weird what happens when all your top prospects get called up over the past couple seasons….

This list also doesn't include Rocker or Teodo who are both lighting up AA ball. They'll both be in the top 50 when the next rankings drop.
people have been saying this about the Astros farm for years, meanwhile they just keep calling up MLB ready prospects.
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Remember when it was said on the trash talk thread that 7 straight ALCS wasn't that big of a deal?

Well seems like just making back to back playoffs might be tougher for some
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tjack16 said:

Remember when it was said on the trash talk thread that 7 straight ALCS wasn't that big of a deal?

Well seems like just making back to back playoffs might be tougher for some


I think you mean "just finishing above .500 back to back might be tougher for some"
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Farmer1906 said:

This ranking dropped a few days ago.

Are any of the top guy called up doing anything?


Carter is out for the year, Langford has been up and down as one would expect his rookie year and Jung is really good when healthy.
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Count me out of that convo. The Astros run is very impressive.

As for the Rangers, I'm not sure if it's Boch's typical every other year suck deal or if it's just too many injuries to overcome or a mix of both.
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gigem1223 said:

Count me out of that convo. The Astros run is very impressive.

As for the Rangers, I'm not sure if it's Boch's typical every other year suck deal or if it's just too many injuries to overcome or a mix of both.


And the Astros haven't had, and still have, major holes due to injuries this year? JV, Tucker, Garca, LMJ, and so on.
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Where did I say they didn't? What the astros have overcome is impressive but they haven't had to deal with as many injuries as the Rangers.
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gigem1223 said:

Where did I say they didn't? What the astros have overcome is impressive but they haven't had to deal with as many injuries as the Rangers.
WRONG
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TarponChaser said:

gigem1223 said:

Count me out of that convo. The Astros run is very impressive.

As for the Rangers, I'm not sure if it's Boch's typical every other year suck deal or if it's just too many injuries to overcome or a mix of both.


And the Astros haven't had, and still have, major holes due to injuries this year? JV, Tucker, Garca, LMJ, and so on.
Don't forget starting pitchers Christian Javier and Jose Urquidy… that's 5 starting pitchers that will most likely be on the field next year (Lance M may be done .. who knows )…. Add in Brown, Framber Valdez, and Blonco and our starters and pen will be one of the top stating rotations and middle relief in the league
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AustinCountyAg said:

gigem1223 said:

Where did I say they didn't? What the astros have overcome is impressive but they haven't had to deal with as many injuries as the Rangers.
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No it's not. The rangers lead the AL in war lost to the IL and it's really not that close.
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gigem1223 said:

AustinCountyAg said:

gigem1223 said:

Where did I say they didn't? What the astros have overcome is impressive but they haven't had to deal with as many injuries as the Rangers.
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No it's not. The rangers lead the AL in war lost to the IL and it's really not that close.


WAR based on what? 2023 WAR? Career WAR?
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I'd read an article a few week ago about it from last month that explains the ranking from fangraphs.

https://neilpaine.substack.com/p/the-dodgers-have-been-mlbs-most-injured
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Arlingtons 3-7 last 10…. 4-12 last 16 games …, That's not the umps fault
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That article was from June 18. So it basically misses all of Tucker and JV being out.

In short, it's out of date. Badly.
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That means it out of date for the rangers too….. who have accumulated more since
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But since that date you had Max come back (I know he's back out but he did pitch some) and Jung came back. So those "losses" stop adding to missed WAR. And the Tucker and JV losses aren't being added in at all.

I'm not saying who is worse now, but I'm betting an updated data set would show it a lot closer than it was June 18. Tucker alone may be a missed WAR of 2.4 or more based on where he was at the time he went down and the amount of missed time
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gigem1223 said:

That means it out of date for the rangers too….. who have accumulated more since


How much of that is deGrom? You guys knew he would be out, sort of like LMJ for the Astros. Not the same impact, but both teams had time to adjust in the offseason. Not sure I give as much benefit of the doubt on that point.

In season, you've had Max, Jung, Carter. Not sure who else as I don't know the roster. It needs to be more to compare to Verlander, Tucker, Urquidy, and Javier. And, I didn't include Garcia, Murfee, or Graveman for the same reason as LMJ or deGrom.

Not trying to get into an excuse contest. Just pointing out that Houston's had their share as well, plus it seems a bit disingenuous to include someone already known from the beginning to be out for most of the year.
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gigem1223
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Agreed it's probably tightened up since the article. I honestly couldn't even post a list of all the games missed, nor do I really care to. I was just making a point as to potential reasons as to why the rangers are struggling. And no I'm not saying that's the whole reason. IMO the biggest reason is we've had a HUGE drop off in slug for whatever reason.
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gigem1223 said:

AustinCountyAg said:

gigem1223 said:

Where did I say they didn't? What the astros have overcome is impressive but they haven't had to deal with as many injuries as the Rangers.
WRONG


No it's not. The rangers lead the AL in war lost to the IL and it's really not that close.

WAR isn't a real stat no matter what some try to claim.
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TarponChaser said:

gigem1223 said:

AustinCountyAg said:

gigem1223 said:

Where did I say they didn't? What the astros have overcome is impressive but they haven't had to deal with as many injuries as the Rangers.
WRONG


No it's not. The rangers lead the AL in war lost to the IL and it's really not that close.

WAR isn't a real stat no matter what some try to claim.

So it's not a piece of data from study of a large quantity of numerical data?
 
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