Any Tesla Model 3 or Y owners on here?

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chap said:

Somebody decided to crash into my car the other day so I am in a rental car while it is getting fixed.

Holy crap is it awful to go back to a non-Tesla.

I have to push a button to unlock the car.
I have to push a button to start the car. Then I have to remember to push the button to turn the car off.
I have to push a button to open my garage and close my garage.
I have to actually steer.
I have to remember that I need to use the brake pedal.


About a year ago I backed my Tesla and my wife's Cadillac out of the garage so a plumber could go up and do some work. I left her car running in the driveway for about two hours before she discovered it. Completely forgot to turn it off.
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New annoyance with FSD. Heavy traffic. I'm in the left lane and it always moves the fastest in this area (near GRB on 59S for any Houstonians.) Have it set to hurry mode, but all lanes are under 15mph.

FSD tries to move me to the middle lane. I cancel that with the blinker. Three seconds later it tries again. Again cancel it. I'm multiple miles from my exit, so that is not the reason.

If I want to stay in my lane, don't keep doing it. I was at something like 60 miles of FSD but just had to turn it off.
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Guitarsoup said:

New annoyance with FSD. Heavy traffic. I'm in the left lane and it always moves the fastest in this area (near GRB on 59S for any Houstonians.) Have it set to hurry mode, but all lanes are under 15mph.

FSD tries to move me to the middle lane. I cancel that with the blinker. Three seconds later it tries again. Again cancel it. I'm multiple miles from my exit, so that is not the reason.

If I want to stay in my lane, don't keep doing it. I was at something like 60 miles of FSD but just had to turn it off.


This happened to us recently on a road trip up to Ohio. Going through the hills of Kentucky, we hit a heavy storm and the car was fairly delayed on slowing down. It put the blinker on and got over into the middle lane and started passing people. So I put the blinker on to get the far right lane and told the car to just stay in the lane for a while. It said OK and then immediately put the blinker on and start trying to pass everybody, and it was flying in the storm. I couldn't see anything a little nerve-racking to say the least.
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sanitariex said:

Guitarsoup said:

New annoyance with FSD. Heavy traffic. I'm in the left lane and it always moves the fastest in this area (near GRB on 59S for any Houstonians.) Have it set to hurry mode, but all lanes are under 15mph.

FSD tries to move me to the middle lane. I cancel that with the blinker. Three seconds later it tries again. Again cancel it. I'm multiple miles from my exit, so that is not the reason.

If I want to stay in my lane, don't keep doing it. I was at something like 60 miles of FSD but just had to turn it off.


This happened to us recently on a road trip up to Ohio. Going through the hills of Kentucky, we hit a heavy storm and the car was fairly delayed on slowing down. It put the blinker on and got over into the middle lane and started passing people. So I put the blinker on to get the far right lane and told the car to just stay in the lane for a while. It said OK and then immediately put the blinker on and start trying to pass everybody, and it was flying in the storm. I couldn't see anything a little nerve-racking to say the least.


What driving profile were you on? I usually change to standard or chill in situations where I don't want it driving aggressively and it handles it perfectly.
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I had it on chill. All the traffic slowed down around me and the Tesla never once slowed down. Which is wild but it was the second storm we passed through, and the first it dropped 20 MPH fairly quickly.
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chap said:

Somebody decided to crash into my car the other day so I am in a rental car while it is getting fixed.

Holy crap is it awful to go back to a non-Tesla.

I have to push a button to unlock the car.
I have to push a button to start the car. Then I have to remember to push the button to turn the car off.
I have to push a button to open my garage and close my garage.
I have to actually steer.
I have to remember that I need to use the brake pedal.

2 more things:
I couldn't turn on the ac before leaving the office or gym.
I had to go to a gas station.


Anyway, got the Tesla back now. If this happens again, I'm going to make sure to rent a Tesla.
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Here's my plan in regards to Tesla. My 2019 Pilot has 158,000 miles on it and generally is still pretty good. I'll hang onto it for another 2.5 years until my oldest daughter turns 16 and then pass it down to her and I'll get a new Model Y AWD.

I have a 22' pontoon boat that stays in a marina slip on Lake Travis that I tow with my AWD Pilot a couple of times per year when getting maintenance done, etc. i figure I can borrow the Pilot from my daughter when I need to tow the boat. My question regarding the Model Y though is how would that do as an occasional boat towing machine? Does anyone tow with one regularly?
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Model Y has max towing of 3500lbs and expect 50% or so of max range. If you aren't taking it far, no problem.
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I have a 21 foot center console bay boat I sometimes tow with a Model Y to a local lake 25 miles away. No issue.
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Yea makes sense. I try to take the boat out of the water as little as possible, and if I do, it's 15 minutes to home or 5 miles to the maintenance guys.
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Drove over 230 miles yesterday in my wife's 2026 model Y premium AWD without touching the steering wheel one time. I've come to the conclusion that I will be paying Elon & Tesla $100/mo for FSD into eternity
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Better plan on more than $100/month because it will probably go up soon.
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How's the comfort of the seats in the Model Y?
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Just curious, what's the typical lead time from order to pickup? My wife and I ordered a model Y around 7/10. The date range initially said end of July, then early August and now 8/23.

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Sales have picked up a lot. My parents ordered a Model Y around the same time and also haven't been assigned a VIN.
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BigGuyKy18 said:

Just curious, what's the typical lead time from order to pickup? My wife and I ordered a model Y around 7/10. The date range initially said end of July, then early August and now 8/23.




and then tomorrow you could get an email that the car is ready! That's basically what happened to us back in '22 when my wife bought a Y. Took off on a trip to the west coast thinking our Y would be ready in about a month... soon as we landed in Cali we received another email that our Y was ready now!!!! and had 2 days to pick it or lose our spot. Had to decline since we couldn't pick it up in time and did get pushed back out again. But then, two weeks later, we were notified again that our car was ready and we were able to take delivery.
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JAW3336 said:

Better plan on more than $100/month because it will probably go up soon.


This would buck they trend of it only getting cheaper as time goes on
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Just don't see why they would raise prices and reduce take rate/brand perception as the autonomous vehicle company. You want every Tesla someone gets in to drive the entire time. That gets people comfortable with the concept of autonomous vehicles, and Robotaxi is a 10x larger business, at least, than selling FSD subscriptions.

I'd sooner cut the price to $50/mo and lay claim to the far and away safest vehicle on the road than double the price to $200.
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True, Elon said a few months ago it would most likely increase when they allow full autonomy.
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I think they want to make more money.
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Speculation from analysts I have followed is that the pricing is going up. I see some elasticity in demand with pricing but the take rate is increasing, and I don't think TSLA is short of data from FSD at this point.

As a shareholder, I'd like to see them meet their margin/revenue goals more than anything else, but don't really have a strong opinion on where this should be. I don't know that pricing in Europe/China/US really needs to match, either.
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JAW3336 said:

Better plan on more than $100/month because it will probably go up soon.

You're prob right. But unfortunately I don't think there's any going back now for us, so it is what it is.

We rode in my FILs brand new Lexus LX700h over the weekend. It felt so old and outdated compared to the Tesla. When my 2023 F150 needs to be replaced in a few years I will prob end up with a cybertruck. That thought would've never crossed my mind 3 months ago. Pretty wild.
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JAW3336 said:

True, Elon said a few months ago it would most likely increase when they allow full autonomy.
He also said it 4 years ago when FSD had ballooned to $15,000 and $200/mo. They subsequently cut prices to $8,000 and $100/mo. Higher prices does not inherently mean more profits. It often means a reduction in sales and a reduction in profits.

If they double prices and lose half their customers because they switch to selectively subscribing for long trips and not subscribing for day to day the actual total effect is a reduction in profits, because you went from 12 months of $100/mo sales to 4 months of $200/mo sales.



I could see Tesla doing something like having tiered subscriptions that is supervised FSD on all roads for ~$100/mo, unsupervised FSD on highways and supervised on city streets for $200/mo and unsupervised everywhere for $300+/mo. I own it outright, but there's no way I'd pay the extra $100 to not pay attention.


I personally don't care one lick about unsupervised for 99% of my driving. Neither do my parents who just bought a Tesla for FSD. I don't know anyone that would pay $100/mo to totally detach from driving. I know many people that would pay nothing if their choice was $200/mo to not pay attention or $0/mo to drive themselves.
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OK Buddy, you honestly don't think people will pay $100/mo or more to have their own chauffuer?

Give me a break.
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I think they'll pay $600/mo for a chauffeur. They just won't pay it for a car they own. Tesla with FSD subscriptions is competing with themselves in a fully autonomous future and a $600/mo ride hail vehicle makes them $22,000 profit in a 5 year useful life while a car sold with a $200 subscription makes them $18,000. That is without consideration to profits from delivering edge compute during idle overnight. Or retaining scrap value of the aluminum and battery materials when the vehicle is no longer operational.

Total consumer outlay on a vehicle sold and subscription costs the consumer $73,000+ over a 5 year period. Average driver would spend half that renting rides.

FSD subscriptions on vehicle sales is not how Tesla makes maximal money. Their capital efficient method for selling rides is selling a bespoke fully autonomous vehicle to a consumer without a steering wheel, and then splitting profits on deployed Robotaxis from that fleet and recouping FSD expenses through profit sharing until they can self fund the entire fleet without selling cars to consumers.


It is estimated that at current consumption the entire vehicle market in the U.S. could be replicated with just 20 million vehicles on the road. Parking lots relinquished for housing and retail spaces. Garages converted to living spaces at an expense equivalent to the 5 year savings from not owning a car.


2030:

5 million Cybercabs at $.50/mile generates $109.5 billion in profits.
150,000 fully autonomous semis generates $50 billion in profits
20 million Optimus robots creating $1 in profit per hour of labor creates $300 billion in profits

$100 in incremental FSD subscriptions creates single digit billion in differences in annual profits. Convincing the public that autonomous cars are safer one year faster creates more future profit than they'd make off the increased subscriptions.
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JAW3336 said:

OK Buddy, you honestly don't think people will pay $100/mo or more to have their own chauffuer?

Give me a break.


Looks like 85% of Tesla owners aren't right now according to the tweet above
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It would be interesting to see adoption rates based on HW4 vs HW3 vs older computers. I think FSD will have a bump now that 14vLite is out for HW3 and getting good reviews. I specifically made sure my Model X had HW4 when I shopped used for it.
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It isn't fully autonomous yet, and like the post between ours mentions it just became available for older Teslas.

Also it is growing monthly in percentage.
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Older cars did not get it. They got an inferior form of the model, and that model has some evidence that it is actually causing HW3 computer failures. Their cars are not going to be capable of unsupervised without hardware upgrades.

A Robotaxi can be unsupervised due to per mile profitability. An equivalent per mile profitability for an average driver places the subscription cost per month at $400/mo in a mature market, likely $600+ in near term. As you increase price, take rate reduces, concentrates on higher mileage drivers, demands higher subscription costs for equivalency.


Again, I can see them selling a premium priced unsupervised subscription to consumers, but I expect the price level is going to be prohibitive for most consumers from a value perspective. I don't see how raising prices for the minimum subscription and forcing unsupervised as the minimum subscription is a profit maximizing decision. If they offered a $100/month supervised subscription and a $400/month unsupervised subscription at current nag rate I would opt for the supervised subscription 10/10 times.
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Thinking about getting a Model Y premium and struggling between RWD and AWD. The car would spend most of its time on pavement in Houston and driving on 290. A small fraction of the time (<1%) on a long gravel drive in Lee County. Not thinking I need AWD but just curious how well the RWD performs on loose gravel.
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I think you would be fine with RWD.
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Good deal. That's what I'm thinking as well. Reading that the traction control system work pretty well on the model Y
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Biggest differences you're going to recognize are range (RWD +10%) and acceleration (AWD better). I have an AWD pre-refresh and wish I had the RWD post-refresh. RWD is still going to give you a pop better than the vast majority of gas vehicles.


RWD Model 3 on ice/snow track. Go to 18 minutes to see him floor the accelerator and weave.
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Thank you folks for the info. Appreciate it. Pretty much confirmed the path I was heading down.

Yeah, at 5.4 seconds to run the 60, model y would be fastest car I have ever purchased. Had a G35 coupe a couple decades ago and thought it was fast at just under 6 seconds. This model Y would like that up.
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