My stepdad just pulled the trigger on a brand new FSD Model Y AWD in blue. He didn't want to go electric, but the FSD convinced him to make the switch.

I'm sure I'm not the only person that instantly thinks something is wrong with their car when they hear an unexpected noise while driving. Well a couple of days ago I heard a faint Harley rumble from cross traffic several car lengths ahead and thought "oh ****, do I have a misfire…oh wait."

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Medaggie said:

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We have 2 Tesla w/FSD and will add a 3rd next year for my 17 year old before she goes to college.

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umm...

No offense, but seriously?



On the other hand, the world needs to be safer, so mandatory FSD for all women would be a plus. Make it happen Elon!

So I take my first comment back, with these terms in place.

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What a dumb sexist comment to make especially when there's a good reason insurance rates are significantly higher for teenage boys compared to teenage girls.

Additionally, a Tesla is actually one of the best vehicles a parent can give to their new teenage driver with all the parental controls that are part of Tesla which include camera recording, speed/acceleration limits, and GPS tracking. Put them in a Civic and they can still go 100+ mph without you ever knowing.

I think it was probably a joke.

My car straight up ran a red light today

See my post from two days ago. Don't get complacent with FSD!

Is there a button to tap to send these errors/items to Tesla for review like the FSD beta testers have?

tk for tu juan said:

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Is there a button to tap to send these errors/items to Tesla for review like the FSD beta testers have?

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if you take over it prompts you to send a voice note as to why you took over.

Tesla will stop selling FSD after Feb 14.

FSD will only be available as a monthly subscription thereafter.

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) January 14, 2026

Glad I have a lifetime subscription but this makes me REALLY wish I had hw4. Hope Tesla honors that promise to make HW3 vehicles fully autonomous

That's interesting. I have the lifetime on my 2018 M3, but at $99/mo or $8k and the fact that they rarely let you transfer it, how many people are actually getting the lifetime? The lifetime savings doesn't cross over until almost 7 years of ownership, and I would bet most people aren't driving the same Tesla over 7 years.

A family member got a leased MY recently and bought the $8K subscription not know that you can pay monthly. He said that he was told he could transfer the purchase since it was a lease, not sure if that's true....

The best way to get a lifetime FSD subscription is to get a lightly used car with it already purchased. There is essentially no price difference in the used market.

I don't think that's as common anymore, is it? Didn't Tesla start offering owners of FSD to transfer the purchased FSD to a new Tesla? Just seems there aren't many out there that have FSD that you can inherit, except for maybe some old S's.

We just bought an X with FSD. I didn't know they were transferring it between cars. I thought it was attached to the car, not the owner.

They've done a couple promotions where you get to keep it if you buy a new car.

I knew there had been a couple of promotions, but I was thinking they made it permanent last year.

Yesterday I was using FSD on 6 driving to Navasota and a trailer full of cabinets started shedding cabinet size boxes in front of me. At 85 MPH. The car sounded the "take over now" alarm but didn't turn it self off and kept driving straight. I didn't take over for a minute then turned FSD back on. When I exited and teach a stop the box that was attached to my nose fell to the ground. How many times do you NOT swerve when some like that happens? The car reacted probably much better than I would have just because it didn't swerve to the left to avoid the boxes entirely. Interesting sequence of events for sure.

This is my understanding. FSD is married to the car but Tsla will have promotions where you can transfer it to the new car without cost. This happens a few times a year and typically when they want to move cars.

Elon has stated in the past that once tesla gets close to Robotaxis, they will end purchase because someone would make more money off using the car as a robotaxi than the 8k.

Tsla now appears to feel they are close so not allowing purchase. The $99/mo price will go up once robotaxi becomes a reality. My feeling is it will be 300+ if you can add your car to the robotaxi fleet.

Imagine sending your car out every day and make $100/day.

Medaggie said:

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This is my understanding. FSD is married to the car but Tsla will have promotions where you can transfer it to the new car without cost. This happens a few times a year and typically when they want to move cars.

Elon has stated in the past that once tesla gets close to Robotaxis, they will end purchase because someone would make more money off using the car as a robotaxi than the 8k.

Tsla now appears to feel they are close so not allowing purchase. The $99/mo price will go up once robotaxi becomes a reality. My feeling is it will be 300+ if you can add your car to the robotaxi fleet.

Imagine sending your car out every day and make $100/day.

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I don't see me paying $300/month for FSD and I don't see me sending it out for Robotaxi at least not initially. I'm guessing we'll see a $99 for no Robotaxi and $300 or more to use send it out. Interesting times, for sure.

$99 a month? Still worth it. I'm over 70% FSD according to the car.

$99/mo is a no brainer if you were going to pay 8k for FSD which is abut 7 yrs worth.

I have no idea the final cost but it will be more than 99/mo. I am hopeful they will allow people who bought it to transfer to new cars in the future. Once HW5 comes out, I will definitely upgrade if they allow a transfer.

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Have any of you installed a swivel mount for your screen?

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Yes. I love having the screen lower and tilted toward me as the driver.

Medaggie said:

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$99/mo is a no brainer if you were going to pay 8k for FSD which is abut 7 yrs worth.

I have no idea the final cost but it will be more than 99/mo. I am hopeful they will allow people who bought it to transfer to new cars in the future. Once HW5 comes out, I will definitely upgrade if they allow a transfer.

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I don't think you're seeing it like Tesla will see it. Yes there will be a higher price but I really think they're going to do that for people who use it for Robotaxi which, by the way, won't be available everywhere immediately. States and municipalities have to allow fully autonomous cars before Tesla can turn that feature on for you. I think as that becomes available to owners in their local area if you want to put your car on the Robotaxi network it'll cost more money to have FSD turned on. But if you don't want it on the Robotaxi network the price may not change or only a nominal amount more like a routine price increase. If they triple the price for everyday use they will likely lose more than two subscribers for each one they keep and that's a hit to revenue and to product development since it would be accumulating fewer training miles. The current price is a good balance for them between revenue to pay for development and enough vehicles to collect a large number of miles to train it. Plus if you go to $300/month some number of people are going to decide it's too much and not buy a Tesla altogether. There's just more downside than upside to raising the price too much.

As I write that it occurs to me that Robotaxi functionality will be packaged like Car Wash Mode. It'll be a bundle of things the car already does by itself all bundled up in one neat button on your screen. It'll have FSD but it's also going to have to disable the pedals and steering wheel, for example. It'll probably come with the ability for passengers to tell the car's Spotify app what type of music to play and the screen will probably lock on the navigation app showing the route you're taking and how long before you arrive. And it'll probably disable the glove box. I don't know what else, just throwing things out there that I would want before I put mine out there to drive others around unattended.

If you could get a used basic model 3, it would be a very cool investment vehicle. That being said, there's no way I would let randos ride around and do god knows what in my personal vehicle. I think Tesla knows this will be the case for most people.

My guess is that Tesla's price point for Robotaxi service will come with a couple of perks, but ultimately be positioned for commerce. It's like buying a goggle workspace license. You can get a basic version that does fine for most individuals, or you can pay more for additional features (i.e., extra cloud space, larger and longer meetings, etc.).

My guess is that they'll leave supervised FSD in place for the same price. If you want fully unsupervised, it'll be $300, but that will give you access to Robotaxi use, insurance coverage for accidents while in FSD mode, and something else (like discounted super charging).

Cybercab production is high enough that they'll be able to saturate markets with their own vehicles for norm demand scenarios. I don't think consumer vehicles are going to be on the network outside of surge demand scenarios, and in those circumstances I don't think they're going to gate access through a subscription fee, but rather matching demand through revenue share percentages.

Their production capacity for Cybercab is expected to be 2 million vehicles per year. A city the size of Austin peaks at <1500 active Uber drivers at any specific time. If Uber has 70% of the market that's ~2,200 vehicles operating for 100% of the market. Meaning Austin's current ride-hail market can be saturated with ~1/2 of a day of production.


For individual unsupervised vehicle usage I don't think they're going to get to true level 4 operation for consumer vehicles, but rather level 3 where the driver vacillates between hands off/eyes off and eyes on requirements. Meaning you can watch a movie, but you can't go to sleep. Think they'll start with low subscription fees ($99/mo) to maximize take rate.

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If you could get a used basic model 3, it would be a very cool investment vehicle. That being said, there's no way I would let randos ride around and do god knows what in my personal vehicle. I think Tesla knows this will be the case for most people.

My guess is that Tesla's price point for Robotaxi service will come with a couple of perks, but ultimately be positioned for commerce. It's like buying a goggle workspace license. You can get a basic version that does fine for most individuals, or you can pay more for additional features (i.e., extra cloud space, larger and longer meetings, etc.).

My guess is that they'll leave supervised FSD in place for the same price. If you want fully unsupervised, it'll be $300, but that will give you access to Robotaxi use, insurance coverage for accidents while in FSD mode, and something else (like discounted super charging).

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1. Nice double entendre.

2. What you got against cleaning up piss and vomit?

The way to sell FSD as a service instead of as a one time purchase is to include liability insurance in the price.

Can someone summarize the past 22 pages of posts for someone interested in information about these cars?

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Can someone summarize the past 22 pages of posts for someone interested in information about these cars?

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They are awesomely priced for the tech you get and ease of ownership, though less so now that the rebates are gone. Still, they offer a lot of bang for your buck. FSD is revolutionary, but not perfect. Even the base models are quick and fun to drive. I'm not sure anyone actually needs a performance or plaid model.

Some folks think they are ugly. They are hard on tires. Resale value blows. If you buy used, you will likely be disappointed if you get something with the last generations computer (HW3) due to slow or missing updates. Tinting is expensive, but necessary. Insurance is higher than you might think, largely because of the number of sensors and cameras on the car.

Oh, and they may or may not wear out your lower leg because there is no coasting. YMMV.

Speaking of YMMV, your mileage may actually vary. Get used to looking at battery percentage instead of miles to go. Charge anxiety is real, but overblown. A home charger is worth the price.

Does anyone need 0-60 in under three seconds? No, until you can do it whenever you want, then it's hard to go back.

I found this interesting/kind of crappy:

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Tesla has updated its vehicle configurator in the U.S. to remove its full Autopilot suite from all new Model 3 and Model Y trims. When ordering a new vehicle, the final configuration no longer includes Autosteer, the integral part of the Autopilot package that performs lane centering.

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Further looking at monetizing FSD by removing what are standard capabilities on many vehicles these days.

https://insideevs.com/news/785225/tesla-removes-autopilot-base-models/

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Does anyone need 0-60 in under three seconds? No, until you can do it whenever you want, then it's hard to go back.

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Until you get pulled over. I was fortunate to just get a warning.

Blowing the doors off of some youngin' in a "sports car" is fun.

JJxvi said:

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Can someone summarize the past 22 pages of posts for someone interested in information about these cars?

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I had to drive 2 hours each way yesterday. Well, not me. Elon Musk drove.

It's not a car, it's a robot with wheels.

Super fun to drive
economical, especially if you charge at home
reliable
very safe
will do all the driving for you if you choose
may have the opportunity to rent out as a cab/uber when you don't need it