So...I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that the point of the raid is to reboot Cayde at the heart of the Dreaming City which will be the Deep Stone Crypt. Don't know why it's on the Awoken planet but grimoire for it sounds like it might be the same place.


Grimoire:
Ghost Fragment: Legends - Deep Stone Crypt

This is the tower where we were born. Not the Tower. Just a tower in a dream.

The tower stands on a black plain. Behind the tower is a notch in the mountains where the sun sets. The teeth of the mountain cut the sun into fractal shapes and the light that comes down at evening paints synapse shapes on the ground. Usually it's evening when we come.

The ground is fertile. This is good land. We go to the tower in dreams but that doesn't mean it's not real.

Some of us go to the tower in peace. They walk through a field of golden millet and a low warm wind blows in from their back. I don't know why this is, because:

The rest of us meet an army.

You can ask others about Deep Stone and they'll tell you about the army. They might confess one truth, which is this: we have to kill the army to get to the tower. Usually this starts bare-handed, and somewhere along the way you take a weapon.

Ask again and if they're buzzed they might also admit that most of us don't make it to the Tower, except once or twice.

None of them will tell you that the army is made of everyone we meet. The people we work with and the people we see in the street and the people we tell about our dreams. We kill them all. I think because we were made to kill and this is the part of us that thinks about nothing else.

Often I kill people I don't know, but like most of us I think I knew them once, in the time before one reset or another, when my mind was younger and less terribly scarred.

So that is how we go back to the Deep Stone Crypt, where we were born.

I hope the crypt isn't there. The exos existed long before the awoken and the collapse. It would make no sense for it to be there. Unless Clovis Bray was making exos on a large asteroid since mars is close to the asteroid belt.

Gambit Trailer

All of this is exactly why I hate that they took out the grimoire and such! I enjoyed listening to the Destiny Ghost Stories podcast and such to hear others thoughts. I still remember their discussions on who the Stranger would end up being and such. We lose a lot of these moments!

Also,


Year one gear will carry over

Well that's good. I'll bet old weapons wont have any perks rerolled but you can get year 2 versions with different rolls.

Also that trailer for gambit looks amazing. Hopefully it's as good as they make it look. I'm excited to try it.

Yep, they'll probably give us an item to "ascend" it to year two levels that will completely reroll it's perks

Gambit looks awesome. Just wish it was 6v6

I know I shouldn't get hyped but man... everything is looking good

Imgur Album of Promotional Screenshots

A few interesting ones...

Those screenshots are beautiful. That's one thing they always do right, the world design and skyboxes.

My name is Byf seems to think Cayde-7 will not happen. He seems to think it's permanent. I hope not. He is one of the few really good characters.

Q&A with Bungie answering a bunch of big questions.



Highlights:

• Random rolls coming back for Year 2 gear, Year 1 gear can be infused up but there are no random rolls any year 1 weapons. Year 1 gear can still drop but with the same static perks
• You can pull exotics, year 1 gear, and shaders out from your collections tab in you inventory at any time. (plus some form of the Year 2 gear as well)
• No answer on if you can put the new mods on year 1 guns.
• "Removing the Hunter Vanguard from the Tower" sounds like they aren't gonna fill his roll immediately
• "He's dead. He is dead. I will 100 percent confirm Cayde's dead. We want people to understand the stakes here. You should really hate the people who did this. "
• "And Uldren is able to vocalize what he's doing and why, and you'll very clearly understand why he's doing this."
• "I'll tell you something about the raid. I'll tell you that the raid is connected story-wise to all of this. The raid is directly related to the story of Forsaken. It's not a side thing. It is an ultimate culmination of everything that you've learned, but that doesn't mean the obvious thing."
• "I'll say another thing: if you look at the new Gambit trailer, you might see a little something." (regarding D1 Exotic Hand cannons (so maybe it is Rose/Thorn?)

Well dang. He is dead. That really sucks. I better be able to put a bullet through Uldren's head at the end of the story. Preferably an ace of spades bullet.

Also our guardian is going to be sad and angry and upset when this happens and no words will be spoken. I hate that decision.

Last glimmer of hope is that they haven't said he won't come back just hits the point that he is dead. We've got the Traveller and Rasputin now that might be able to do something.

Lol Cayde isn't darkness even time now

I was thinking about this from a marketing standpoint, Killing Cayde off needs to be perminant. Bringing him back doesn't fit the tone of the DLC and adds less fuel to the fire of revenge.

Depends on where Uldren is coming from. If he is acting alone and we kill him at the end of the campaign then Cayde is free to come back whenever. If the order is coming from Mara Sov or The Nine and we presumably don't deal with them until much later then yeah he should probably stay dead.


Ideally, I'd like to see us spend time trying to bring him back but find out that it's either impossible or it backfires somehow and we get taken advantage of by either The Nine or Rasputin.


Edit: oooo Reddit's got a fun idea. Put Cayde in our Ghost....thus NathanBot is born.

Beezy2389 said:

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Depends on where Uldren is coming from. If he is acting alone and we kill him at the end of the campaign then Cayde is free to come back whenever. If the order is coming from Mara Sov or The Nine and we presumably don't deal with them until much later then yeah he should probably stay dead.


Ideally, I'd like to see us spend time trying to bring him back but find out that it's either impossible or it backfires somehow and we get taken advantage of by either The Nine or Rasputin.

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Agreed, but I don't think I trust or want bungee to try and make that work after the flops that were the story of Osiris and Rasputin. (The gameplay for Rasputin is fantastic). They need to stick with the simplicity of the revenge. Adding too much causes them to change gear.

In an interview with Deej he was asked "is Cayde really and truly dead?"

Deej answered: "Yes. He is dead. As much as a superhero can be dead, Cayde is dead."

Which is an interesting way of putting it...

They've pretty much said everything except that he's not coming back.

Count me in with the crowd that thinks cayde will be back but Nathan Fillion won't.

I would not be surprised if at the end, we find a way to bring in back but he comes back with no memory of who he is. Makes Cayde-6, the badass vanguard hunter, truly dead.

It wouldn't surprise me if they did Cayde-7 but his vocal processors were damaged by the gunshot so a different voice actor takes over.

Finally got the EP shotgun to drop last night. That thing wrecks

I believe bungie has stated that they are taking Cayde out, I'll try to find the quote, and working on other NPC's to replace him.

They did mention removing the hunter vanguard but only because he's dead. They still haven't ever said he's not coming back. The 'dead as a superhero' comment also still keeps hope alive that we may revive him as Cayde-7 since superheros never stay dead. Who knows with Bungie. I just hope the story is actually good.

spieg12 said:

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They did mention removing the hunter vanguard but only because he's dead. They still haven't ever said he's not coming back. The 'dead as a superhero' comment also still keeps hope alive that we may revive him as Cayde-7 since superheros never stay dead. Who knows with Bungie. I just hope the story is actually good.

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I see what you're saying. We'll see, from all the Bungie comments I've seen, I just don't think he's coming back.

In fact, I think bringing him back would more than likely take the emotional response away.


***spoiler warning****

in the story mission before Cayde is killed, he asks Uldrin, "how's your sister?"

Here's the nutshell videos I was talking about in that raid we did. He's pretty funny and even though it's all tongue in cheek, he makes good points.

Similar sense of humor as this guy

So might throw this in with a spoiler tag but we've learned who the Scorn are and it opens up some story possibilities.

Here's the link to the Q&A


The Scorn are reanimated zombie Fallen...yes. So obviously that opens up a lot of possibilities about the story. First thought is "oh crap evil zombie Cayde". Second thought is that Uldren crash landed on Mars which was home to a particular Hive enemy that has ties to necromancy. Not sure they'd bring Nokris back in but it's a possibility.

Xbox vice president. I wonder if he knows something we don't.