Zachary Klement said:

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Kellso said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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Kellso said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Kellso said:

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ApachePilot said:

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wangus12 said:

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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TONY ROMO:

2-4 playoff record, 0-3 in the Divisional Round

DAK PRESCOTT:

2-4 playoff record, 0-3 in the Divisional Round

Carrying on the legacy of failure.

— Barry (@BarryOnHere) January 23, 2023

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Cowboys haven't drafted a 1st round QB since Troy Aikman. Let that sink in.

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To be fair the Cowboys beat Greenbay. Dez caught that pass. One of the worst calls ever

Romo takes several of these Dak led teams farther. Romo never got supported like Dak. I wish Romo had stayed healthy

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Tony Romo ****ing sucked. Dak and Tony Romo are in the same boat.....guys that were not good enough to get it done.

Dak is 10x the player that Tony Romo was.

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Peak Tony Romo is the best QB the Cowboys have ever had, full stop. He just had a relatively brief career spent mostly with either a poor defense, poor OL or both. His career adjusted yards per attempt a FULL YARD better than Staubach or Aikman, which is far more than can be accounted for by the difference in eras alone.

He'll never get any notoriety or credit for this, but him dragging those 2011-2013 teams to .500 records was an incredible achievement. Those were all 2-3 win teams with even league average QB play. I would venture to say the 2013 team was the worst combination of OL and defense in league history to come anywhere near 8 wins.

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Romo played with the following Hall of Fame Caliber to ALL Pro Caliber players on offense:
Terrell Owens
Zack Martin
Tyron Smith
DeMarco Murray
Marion Barber
Dez Bryant
Jason Whitten
Flozell Adams.
Leonard Davis
Andre Gurode

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Romo did not play a ton with a bunch of those guys...also, half of them were never all-pros or future hall of famers.

TO - 3 seasons together (and???? TO was 1st team all Pro in 2007)
Zack Martin - 2 seasons (and???? ZM was 1st team all pro in 2014)
Tyron - 5 seasons (that a long time to play with a future HOF Famer player)
DeMarco Murray - 4 seasons together, will not be in the HOF, was on one all-pro team (led the league in rushing in 2014 and set the Cowboys all time mark of 1,800 yards in a season., 1st team all pro in 2014)
Marion Barber - not an all-pro or HOF caliber player
Dez - one all-pro selection, not a HOF player (1ST TEAM ALL PRO IN 2014, 3x pro Bowl in 2013, 14 and 16)
Witten - legend (4x All Pro in 2007, 2008, 2010, and 2012, 11x Pro Bowler
Flozell - never an all-pro, will not be in the HOF (Bullchit, 2nd team All Pro in 2007, Pro Bowl player for 3 straight seasons from 2007-09)
Gurode - never an all-pro, will not be in the HOF (Bullchit, 2nd team All Pro in 2009, Pro Bowl player for 5 straight seasons from 2006-2010)

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Do you see what you are doing?

You are tearing down all of these elite players to prop up Tony Romo.

I get sick and tired of hearing that Romo didn't play with anyone, or that he never had a defense.

Romo played with plenty of elite talent on the offensive side of the ball. The idea that he didn't play with anyone is only used by his fans to try and prop up his legacy.

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I'm not tearing anybody down? A lot of those players aren't elite, and that's okay. My bad on Adams and Gurode, I did my stat checking on pro-football-reference, and they only list first team all pro selections, which I did not initially realize.

The most successful quarterbacks have multiple high-level playmakers surrounding them. This year's playoffs are a great demonstration of that...the remaining teams Cincinnati (Ja'Marr Chase, Tee Higgins, and Joe Mixon), Philadelphia (AJ Brown, DeVonta Smith, and Dallas Goedert), San Francisco (CMC, George Kittle, Deebo Samuel, and Brandon Aiyuk) and KC (Travis Kelce and Juju Smith-Schuster).

Romo was not consistently surrounded by elite talent...there were times when he had elite playmakers, and there were times when he played behind elite lines, but those didn't overlap very well.

According to PFF, the Cowboys' offensive line ranked 25th in pass pro in 2009, 17th in 2010, 15th in 2011, 26th in 2012, 9th in 2013, 4th in 2014, and 1st in 2015. I don't see PFF ranks for years prior to that, but Football Outsiders graded Dallas as the 7th best in pass pro in 2007, and 13th in 2008...2006 is behind a paywall.

There were a lot of bad offensive lines when Romo was here...the best line Romo played behind was the 2015 line, and that year, Dez broke his foot, and Romo broke his collarbone. The Cowboys' defenses were middle to back of the pack most of the time Romo was at the helm...they were no better than 15th in points surrendered in that timeframe and were as bad as 30th when Romo was at quarterback. The defenses with Romo at QB were always mediocre to bad.

Romo played with elite players, yes. Romo was NEVER surrounded by enough high-level talent to give him a legitimate chance at winning it all.

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Chuck Cunningham said:

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ApachePilot said:

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I've never seen Dak just take over a playoff game the way Josh did last season vs the chiefs.

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Did you not watch the TB game?

25/33 304 4 TDs passing 1 rushing.

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BJM1781 said:

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The difference is that Tampa Bay is a terrible team that should not have even been in the playoffs. I'm pretty sure every NFC team that qualified would've beaten them.

I think that more accurately explains the reasons behind Dak's and the running game's performance.

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Kellso said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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Kellso said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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Kellso said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Kellso said:

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ApachePilot said:

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wangus12 said:

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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TONY ROMO:

2-4 playoff record, 0-3 in the Divisional Round

DAK PRESCOTT:

2-4 playoff record, 0-3 in the Divisional Round

Carrying on the legacy of failure.

— Barry (@BarryOnHere) January 23, 2023

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Cowboys haven't drafted a 1st round QB since Troy Aikman. Let that sink in.

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To be fair the Cowboys beat Greenbay. Dez caught that pass. One of the worst calls ever

Romo takes several of these Dak led teams farther. Romo never got supported like Dak. I wish Romo had stayed healthy

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Tony Romo ****ing sucked. Dak and Tony Romo are in the same boat.....guys that were not good enough to get it done.

Dak is 10x the player that Tony Romo was.

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Peak Tony Romo is the best QB the Cowboys have ever had, full stop. He just had a relatively brief career spent mostly with either a poor defense, poor OL or both. His career adjusted yards per attempt a FULL YARD better than Staubach or Aikman, which is far more than can be accounted for by the difference in eras alone.

He'll never get any notoriety or credit for this, but him dragging those 2011-2013 teams to .500 records was an incredible achievement. Those were all 2-3 win teams with even league average QB play. I would venture to say the 2013 team was the worst combination of OL and defense in league history to come anywhere near 8 wins.

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Romo played with the following Hall of Fame Caliber to ALL Pro Caliber players on offense:
Terrell Owens
Zack Martin
Tyron Smith
DeMarco Murray
Marion Barber
Dez Bryant
Jason Whitten
Flozell Adams.
Leonard Davis
Andre Gurode

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Romo did not play a ton with a bunch of those guys...also, half of them were never all-pros or future hall of famers.

TO - 3 seasons together (and???? TO was 1st team all Pro in 2007)
Zack Martin - 2 seasons (and???? ZM was 1st team all pro in 2014)
Tyron - 5 seasons (that a long time to play with a future HOF Famer player)
DeMarco Murray - 4 seasons together, will not be in the HOF, was on one all-pro team (led the league in rushing in 2014 and set the Cowboys all time mark of 1,800 yards in a season., 1st team all pro in 2014)
Marion Barber - not an all-pro or HOF caliber player
Dez - one all-pro selection, not a HOF player (1ST TEAM ALL PRO IN 2014, 3x pro Bowl in 2013, 14 and 16)
Witten - legend (4x All Pro in 2007, 2008, 2010, and 2012, 11x Pro Bowler
Flozell - never an all-pro, will not be in the HOF (Bullchit, 2nd team All Pro in 2007, Pro Bowl player for 3 straight seasons from 2007-09)
Gurode - never an all-pro, will not be in the HOF (Bullchit, 2nd team All Pro in 2009, Pro Bowl player for 5 straight seasons from 2006-2010)

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Do you see what you are doing?

You are tearing down all of these elite players to prop up Tony Romo.

I get sick and tired of hearing that Romo didn't play with anyone, or that he never had a defense.

Romo played with plenty of elite talent on the offensive side of the ball. The idea that he didn't play with anyone is only used by his fans to try and prop up his legacy.

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I'm not tearing anybody down? A lot of those players aren't elite, and that's okay. My bad on Adams and Gurode, I did my stat checking on pro-football-reference, and they only list first team all pro selections, which I did not initially realize.

The most successful quarterbacks have multiple high-level playmakers surrounding them. This year's playoffs are a great demonstration of that...the remaining teams Cincinnati (Ja'Marr Chase, Tee Higgins, and Joe Mixon), Philadelphia (AJ Brown, DeVonta Smith, and Dallas Goedert), San Francisco (CMC, George Kittle, Deebo Samuel, and Brandon Aiyuk) and KC (Travis Kelce and Juju Smith-Schuster).

Romo was not consistently surrounded by elite talent...there were times when he had elite playmakers, and there were times when he played behind elite lines, but those didn't overlap very well.

According to PFF, the Cowboys' offensive line ranked 25th in pass pro in 2009, 17th in 2010, 15th in 2011, 26th in 2012, 9th in 2013, 4th in 2014, and 1st in 2015. I don't see PFF ranks for years prior to that, but Football Outsiders graded Dallas as the 7th best in pass pro in 2007, and 13th in 2008...2006 is behind a paywall.

There were a lot of bad offensive lines when Romo was here...the best line Romo played behind was the 2015 line, and that year, Dez broke his foot, and Romo broke his collarbone. The Cowboys' defenses were middle to back of the pack most of the time Romo was at the helm...they were no better than 15th in points surrendered in that timeframe and were as bad as 30th when Romo was at quarterback. The defenses with Romo at QB were always mediocre to bad.

Romo played with elite players, yes. Romo was NEVER surrounded by enough high-level talent to give him a legitimate chance at winning it all.

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I appreciate the post....but I just don't agree with the bolded.

Give an elite quarterback that kind of talent and they win more in the post season. Period.

The problem for the Cowboys in the Romo and now Dak era is that they've only have a pretty good quarterback.....thus the pretty good results.

Dak and Romo are the same. Good players that are sometimes great...and other times are not.

and FYI...those players listed were elite. If you are making multiple Pro Bowls, or ALL Pro teams then that means you are one of the elite players in the NFL.

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Agristotle said:

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I think Zeke will take a pay cut to stay because emotionally he's a child and will cling to his home and his quarterback.

Pik Prescott is good but when the lights get bright, he gags.

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Chuck Cunningham said:

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Agristotle said:

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I think Zeke will take a pay cut to stay because emotionally he's a child and will cling to his home and his quarterback.

Pik Prescott is good but when the lights get bright, he gags.

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I think the any rookie draft pick or the rookies they have could run for a 2.2 yard carry.

Zeke has got to go.

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Tksymm7 said:

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Like not touching the field lol?

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Kellso said:

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and FYI...those players listed were elite. If you are making multiple Pro Bowls, or ALL Pro teams then that means you are one of the elite players in the NFL.

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Agristotle said:

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I think Zeke will take a pay cut to stay because emotionally he's a child and will cling to his home and his quarterback.

Pik Prescott is good but when the lights get bright, he gags.

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Dak Prescott suffering through my least favorite call of the game...and that is saying something. All curls sack on 3rd & 10 ended a brutal series for the boys. #DallasCowboys
📽️https://t.co/CmlwKafh4e pic.twitter.com/4R6TXdks6F

— The QB School (@theqbschool) January 24, 2023

Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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jtstanley4621 said:

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I know RBs have a very limited shelf life but it is wild to me how Zeke is 27 and is already this washed up. He seems to have literally no explosiveness left. His contract is beyond horrendous. You absolutely have to cut bait

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Dallas ran him into the ground his first 4 years. He also had a ton of carries his last 2 years of college. Combining his last 2 years of college with his first 4 years in Dallas adds up to 1,731 carries. That's a lot of wear and tear.

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