I mentioned this before, but if it is, which it really might be to some extent, why as an up and coming director wouldn't you walk away and wash your hands of it rather than go ahead and make an abysmal show that will hurt your reputation? I take her at her word when she said this was a passion project for her and one she made for herself as a kid, but unfortunately she can't handle plot, character arcs or dialogue to save her life. There is almost nothing redeeming about what's been on the screen to point to her knowing how to write or direct.

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Who was it that hyped up Leslye Headland because she was a massive Star Wars fan girl? Guess knowing everything and anything about Star Wars doesn't translate into being able to create something that is enjoyable to watch.

Hope this is the last time she has anything to do with the Star Wars franchise.

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That would be me.

And I'd do it again, because ON PAPER she had everything going for her. She had just come off a massive hit show, one that damn near everyone loved, while again and again has shown an incredibly deep knowledge of the franchise. She checked every box, save for having done something of this scale before, and like I've said multiple times now, sometimes that works out, other times it doesn't. Regardless, it's not an uncommon practice at all.

It turns out, she simply doesn't have what it takes - or - as I've also speculated, Lucasfilm noted the hell out this thing/drained it of anything special. My guess is a combination of both.

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She hadn't done anything to prove she should have anything to do with a big budget SW production. And having rubbed elbows with Harvey also probably shouldn't have been a plus on her thin resume. If Disney LF is ever to learn any expensive lessons from their very spotty record, I'd hope the Acolyte is proof of what happens when you go for an optics hire rather than just getting someone who knows what the **** they're doing.

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This is such a dumb argument to keep making.

You know who else had incredibly limited experience before taking on massive budget project?

Gareth Edwards
Before Godzilla (2014) he had only directed a micro budget indie called Monster for $500K.

Colin Trevorrow
Before Jurassic World he had only directed a micro budget indie called Safety Not Guaranteed for $750K.

Patty Jenkins
Before Wonder Woman she had only directed a few episodes of random TV comedies and dramas.

The Russo Brothers
Same thing. Before Captain America: Civil War they had only directed a few episodes of random TV comedies.

Not to mention…

-Michael Bay had only directed commercials and music videos before Bad Boys.
-Doug Liman had only directed three indies before The Bourne Identity.
-The Wachowskis had only directed a single indie named Bound before The Matrix.

The list goes on and on.

Never mind the fact that Bryce Dallas Howard had only ever directed a micro budget indie before The Mandalorian.

This is how Hollywood has operated for DECADES.

For the umpteenth time… sometimes it works and sometime it doesn't. It's a crap shoot. Always.

Just own it already that, for you, this is primarily a culture war issue. Headlund is an opinionated lesbian and you don't want an opinionated lesbian anywhere near the franchise. That's what this is really about. Otherwise, you have absolutely no argument, considering the precedent that has already been set, and the countless success stories that have come from it.

To me, this points to bigger issues with lucasfilm/disney. There has to be some structure issues or leadership issues driving consistent underperformance

I think you can be an opinionated whatever if you just make a solid product. I did find her and Amandla annoying in their promo stuff, but if she had made a cool SW show I'd be praising it and her. I can't pretend to know how these studios go about getting people for projects like this, but there had to have been candidates both better and lesser known who could have produced something at least decent.

Yeah but outside of a few great moments how do we explain Mando/bobba/ashoka? The norm is head scratching filler episodes, plot that barely moves, and poor dialogue. At least with Mando we get some amazing highs in season 1/2 to make up for a lot of the bad.

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Yeah but outside of a few great moments how do we explain Mando/bobba/ashoka? The norm is head scratching filler episodes, plot that barely moves, and poor dialogue. At least with Mando we get some amazing highs in season 1/2 to make up for a lot of the bad.

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They were all pretty ****ty

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To me, this points to bigger issues with lucasfilm/disney. There has to be some structure issues or leadership issues driving consistent underperformance

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Yeah. It's called Kathleen Kennedy sucks.

So sad. Pages and pages of whining about the same crap. So tedious. The entertainment board has jumped the shark.

You mean LucasFilm has jumped the shark

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This is such a dumb argument to keep making.

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When you consider the source, it makes it a lot clearer

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You mean LucasFilm has jumped the shark

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As it did in 1999, 2002, 2005, 2015, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, and 2023 according to all those critical people.

As I have said for decades, if you (not you specifically) think all the stuff or even 75% of the stuff Lucasfilm puts out is crap, but you keep watching it, you're the problem. And an idiot. And if you keep watching it solely for the purpose of complaining, it will never get any better because YOU KEEP PAYING TO WATCH.

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You mean LucasFilm has jumped the shark

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As it did in 1999, 2002, 2005, 2015, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, and 2023 according to all those critical people.

As I have said for decades, if you (not you specifically) think all the stuff or even 75% of the stuff Lucasfilm puts out is crap, but you keep watching it, you're the problem. And an idiot. And if you keep watching it solely for the purpose of complaining, it will never get any better because YOU KEEP PAYING TO WATCH.

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LOL. Yeah, the fault lies with the viewer

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You mean LucasFilm has jumped the shark

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As I have said for decades, if you (not you specifically) think all the stuff or even 75% of the stuff Lucasfilm puts out is crap, but you keep watching it, you're the problem. And an idiot.

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Pork, please don't be so rude toward TC.

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You mean LucasFilm has jumped the shark

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As it did in 1999, 2002, 2005, 2015, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, and 2023 according to all those critical people.

As I have said for decades, if you (not you specifically) think all the stuff or even 75% of the stuff Lucasfilm puts out is crap, but you keep watching it, you're the problem. And an idiot. And if you keep watching it solely for the purpose of complaining, it will never get any better because YOU KEEP PAYING TO WATCH.

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LOL. Yeah, the fault lies with the viewer

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From a complete business standpoint, if a customer repeatedly purchases what they deem to be a vastly inferior or even unacceptable product, what motivation does the manufacturer have to improve it?

TC - no offense to you personally - is a pretty good example, he disliked all 3 prequels, but paid to see them all, disliked all 3 sequels but paid to see them all, like Solo & Rogue One, but has disliked all of the TV stuff except for Andor and maybe Season 1 of Mando - didn't like much of Season 2 or any of Season 3 of Mando, or Ahsoka, or BOBF or Obi-Wan or the Acolyte, but has kept his Disney+ subscription to watch them all.

You can preach to me about "good product" or blah blah, but it's not unlike having a crappy sports team but continuing to pay for season tickets. Yeah, the owner might like to win, but if you're spending $5,000 a year on tickets, and buying $150 of food every Sunday plus merch for your kids, they don't really care until you stop consuming the product.

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You mean LucasFilm has jumped the shark

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As it did in 1999, 2002, 2005, 2015, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, and 2023 according to all those critical people.

As I have said for decades, if you (not you specifically) think all the stuff or even 75% of the stuff Lucasfilm puts out is crap, but you keep watching it, you're the problem. And an idiot. And if you keep watching it solely for the purpose of complaining, it will never get any better because YOU KEEP PAYING TO WATCH.

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LOL. Yeah, the fault lies with the viewer

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From a complete business standpoint, if a customer repeatedly purchases what they deem to be a vastly inferior or even unacceptable product, what motivation does the manufacturer have to improve it?

TC - no offense to you personally - is a pretty good example, he disliked all 3 prequels, but paid to see them all, disliked all 3 sequels but paid to see them all, like Solo & Rogue One, but has disliked all of the TV stuff except for Andor and maybe Season 1 of Mando - didn't like much of Season 2 or any of Season 3 of Mando, or Ahsoka, or BOBF or Obi-Wan or the Acolyte, but has kept his Disney+ subscription to watch them all.

You can preach to me about "good product" or blah blah, but it's not unlike having a crappy sports team but continuing to pay for season tickets. Yeah, the owner might like to win, but if you're spending $5,000 a year on tickets, and buying $150 of food every Sunday plus merch for your kids, they don't really care until you stop consuming the product.

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No. The problem is the Lucas Film pot bangers who continue to defend crap product for some reason.

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You can preach to me about "good product" or blah blah, but it's not unlike having a crappy sports team but continuing to pay for season tickets. Yeah, the owner might like to win, but if you're spending $5,000 a year on tickets, and buying $150 of food every Sunday plus merch for your kids, they don't really care until you stop consuming the product.

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As a Dallas Cowboys fan, I resemble that remark!

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So sad. Pages and pages of whining about the same crap. So tedious. The entertainment board has jumped the shark.

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Speak for yourself. I am kind of bummed this series is coming to an end even though I haven't watched five minutes of it and won't.

The snark and complaining. The counter white knighting and turd shining. Someone accused Spilner of getting Avatar revenue erections a couple pages back. Where else am I gonna get this kind of entertainment a couple times a week while I each lunch?

This has turned out to be one of the most entertaining threads ever on this board. Who needs more crappy SW when I can read it?

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You can preach to me about "good product" or blah blah, but it's not unlike having a crappy sports team but continuing to pay for season tickets. Yeah, the owner might like to win, but if you're spending $5,000 a year on tickets, and buying $150 of food every Sunday plus merch for your kids, they don't really care until you stop consuming the product.

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As a Dallas Cowboys fan, I resemble that remark!

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And you, like myself, keep coming back every season because you have an emotional connection to the Cowboys, probably going back to when you were a kid. But by the late 90's I was so done with Jerry's BS and all the antics with the players I finally did stop watching. It wasn't until the 2010's when my oldest son started getting in to NFL that my wife and I started watching again and we've been pot committed again ever since.

It's the same reason many here keep coming back to complain about SW. They can't get past the emotional connection from childhood nostalgia. For kids in the 70's and 80's and well in to the 90's, it was truly that powerful.

The ST fatigued me. The multiple series ultimately turned me off. Kenobi was so bad it finally took me from disappointment to enjoying the hilarity of how bad the product was overall. Ahsoka was the final straw. I didn't think it was terrible, just boring, uninteresting, uninspired. So I honestly dropped out and haven't looked back (but I can still get drawn in to ANH, ESB, ROTJ, and R1 with a moments notice).

Not saying I'll never watch anything new again but for now at least I am completely tapped out and frankly the trailers for Acolyte just looked completely lame.

Sounds like I made a good choice skipping this show

Has a younger Yoda showed up yet? This takes place 100 years before the prequels, right? I'd bet decent money he appears at the end, takes in what happened, and concerned about the future, he is.

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Sounds like I made a good choice skipping this show

Has a younger Yoda showed up yet? This takes place 100 years before the prequels, right? I'd bet decent money he appears at the end, takes in what happened, and concerned about the future, he is.

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Yoda has narrated every episode as a spoken word rap.

So let me see if I have this right.

The twins are the same person but split some how. Torbin wants to go home and sees the vergence, the twins, as his ticket to go home. Sol senses the twins, particularly Osha, are in danger. The witch coven, in particular the militant members like Koril, would rather fight and die than allow Osha to leave the coven. Koril has a borderline emotional/mental abusive relationship on the twins. Coven fights the Sol and Torbin against Aniseya's wishes. Tragedy ensues and cover up occurs under Indara's direction.

Do I have this completely ****ed up story correct?

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You mean LucasFilm has jumped the shark

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As it did in 1999, 2002, 2005, 2015, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, and 2023 according to all those critical people.

As I have said for decades, if you (not you specifically) think all the stuff or even 75% of the stuff Lucasfilm puts out is crap, but you keep watching it, you're the problem. And an idiot. And if you keep watching it solely for the purpose of complaining, it will never get any better because YOU KEEP PAYING TO WATCH.

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LOL. Yeah, the fault lies with the viewer

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From a complete business standpoint, if a customer repeatedly purchases what they deem to be a vastly inferior or even unacceptable product, what motivation does the manufacturer have to improve it?

TC - no offense to you personally - is a pretty good example, he disliked all 3 prequels, but paid to see them all, disliked all 3 sequels but paid to see them all, like Solo & Rogue One, but has disliked all of the TV stuff except for Andor and maybe Season 1 of Mando - didn't like much of Season 2 or any of Season 3 of Mando, or Ahsoka, or BOBF or Obi-Wan or the Acolyte, but has kept his Disney+ subscription to watch them all.

You can preach to me about "good product" or blah blah, but it's not unlike having a crappy sports team but continuing to pay for season tickets. Yeah, the owner might like to win, but if you're spending $5,000 a year on tickets, and buying $150 of food every Sunday plus merch for your kids, they don't really care until you stop consuming the product.

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No. The problem is the Lucas Film pot bangers who continue to defend crap product for some reason.

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Why is that a problem? What effect does it have on your life?

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More and more crap Lucas Film product will be produced. Star Wars (and Indiana Jones) was an important part of my childhood and I care (apparently more than Bob Iger) what happens to it.

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Chipotlemonger said:

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You mean LucasFilm has jumped the shark

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As it did in 1999, 2002, 2005, 2015, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, and 2023 according to all those critical people.

As I have said for decades, if you (not you specifically) think all the stuff or even 75% of the stuff Lucasfilm puts out is crap, but you keep watching it, you're the problem. And an idiot. And if you keep watching it solely for the purpose of complaining, it will never get any better because YOU KEEP PAYING TO WATCH.

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LOL. Yeah, the fault lies with the viewer

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From a complete business standpoint, if a customer repeatedly purchases what they deem to be a vastly inferior or even unacceptable product, what motivation does the manufacturer have to improve it?

TC - no offense to you personally - is a pretty good example, he disliked all 3 prequels, but paid to see them all, disliked all 3 sequels but paid to see them all, like Solo & Rogue One, but has disliked all of the TV stuff except for Andor and maybe Season 1 of Mando - didn't like much of Season 2 or any of Season 3 of Mando, or Ahsoka, or BOBF or Obi-Wan or the Acolyte, but has kept his Disney+ subscription to watch them all.

You can preach to me about "good product" or blah blah, but it's not unlike having a crappy sports team but continuing to pay for season tickets. Yeah, the owner might like to win, but if you're spending $5,000 a year on tickets, and buying $150 of food every Sunday plus merch for your kids, they don't really care until you stop consuming the product.

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You basically described the last two+ decades of my relationship with Aggie football. Yet here I am, still not only rooting for them, but somehow paying to post on a website dedicated to covering them.

However, you have to remember, same as I worked for the team during arguably their darkest days (the last two Slocum seasons + the first three Fran seasons), I worked for theforce.net during the same dark era (from Episode I to Episode II). Re: that darkness, in the words of Bane...



That darkness is a part of me. I was forged in it.

And like most delusional fans, we root not because of the results on the field or the Star Wars movies/shows we are given, but out of hope that one day we will manage to crawl out of our respective fandom prisons and finally feel the light upon our face that is a national championship or a truly great Star Wars movie once more...






That light... that vision... is what keeps us going. With football it's always the promise of "next season," and with Star Wars it's always the promise of the next movie/show; that maybe, against all logic, the next one will be the one. When, instead, this is often the reality...



And yet still I hope. Still, I persist. This season, it's with the reassurance, however delusional, that at least A&M had the balls to finally fire their Kathleen Kennedy... and that maybe, just maybe... we've found our Kevin Feige.

It seems a little early in the PDT to be tripping on acid, but that was really lovely writing.

I can't stop laughing 😂😂😂#TheAcolyte pic.twitter.com/jUL6OPWJQt

— Geekdaddy (@Geekdaddy75) July 13, 2024