*** THE MATRIX 4 ***

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But from a storytelling standpoint, the 2nd one ends with this massive cliffhanger: neo can control the machines in the real world. Total WTF moment. Enter Matrix 3. The only explanation you get for how someone not in the matrix controls the machines from the matrix comes from like a 10 second conversation with the Oracle. Neo asks how he did it, and the answer:

"The power of the One extends beyond this world. It extends all the way back to the source."

So now Neo's organic body can - what - emit radiowaves that can control machines via wifi or something? A very different kind of WTF moment.

If anyone can explain that piece to me, I would be very grateful because it's always stood in the way of my enjoying that last movie.
my theory below which I think has some promise so avoid if worried about spoilers.

My explanation for this at the end of the 2nd film and what I was hoping to see never happened. So my hope is what I always was expecting will be brought up in this film.

And that is the Matrix we knew was just one of two, if not many. That what we thought was the "real world" was just another Matrix and another form of control. Like a fail safe in case the first Matrix ever got corrupted or destroyed, there were layers to still keep the humans in their form of limbo.

If that were the case, then The Oracles explanation in the 3rd movie, as vague as it was, would still be true. And this movie would be the machine world attempting to restart the original Matrix and everyone slowly becoming aware of the real truth.
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TCTTS said:

I say Trinity has to be dead in the real world, but then again there's this shot of her clearly plugged into the new, present-day Matrix (or whatever digital world). Notice there's a new plug/jack lower down her neck, and that the old, 1999 Matrix plug/jack is still in her head, going unused, implying this is the same body from back then. In other words, I don't know what to think...


Matrix within a Matrix idea would explain this as well
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Not gonna lie, if the real world from the original trilogy ends up being another Matrix, I think I'd hate that. It's almost too obvious, not to mention was one of the abandoned ideas for Revolutions.

I'm just hoping it's something a bit more creative than that.
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Also, having watched the trailer like a dozen more times, seeing a bunch of reaction videos, etc, I must admit that the particular plot point that was debated about yesterday definitely seems like it could be plausibly theorized or inferred from just the trailer itself.

So although I stand by my overall stance on spoiler tags (for stuff from inside sources, NOT theories and discussion as has been joked about), I admit I probably overreacted in this instance.
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TCTTS said:

Personally, in and of itself, I think the CGI actually looks great. For me, though, it's the cinematography that's making *everything* look slightly cheap at times. There are a few of shots where it appears as if they're using digital cameras, which almost never look good, certain scenes are poorly/weirdly lit, and, again, the handheld stuff just doesn't feel very Matrixy at all.
I find most CG complaints to have little to no merit, largely because your average viewer has no idea what they're looking at most of the time.

The audience misses probably 90%+ of the composited and CG shots in your typical film and hangs onto one or two shots they don't personally like the style of (as opposed to them actually being objectively "bad"). Trust that ILM or whoever has reviewed those shots dozens of times and endlessly debated all the things you have a strong opinion about. The end result is a combination of director/producer choice and occasionally a lack of time.
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Forgive me if this is a dumb question but reading the article you linked I've always wondered…..

How in the hell do you get picked to screen a movie?? I've never gotten a chance to do so nor have I ever personally met anyone who has.

Do you strike lightning in a bottle and just have to be in the right place at the right time? There a list somewhere to put your name on? Gotta know someone involved with the movie?

Genuinely curious on this
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and will almost assuredly piss certain people off with some kind of gay/trans/they/them/pro-vaccine/socialist subtext/message.


The fact that the Wachowski (sp) Brothers are now SISTERS has generated some interested discussion on other forums. I was surprised so many people didn't know.

But yes I'm sure. Calling it now: chick with the rabbit tattoo and blue hair is a lesbian


I did not know this and I was very confused when I saw that tweet a couple pages back where one of the 2 said they weren't interested in doing this. This post definitely explains it.
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Sex changes by directors who havent put out a good movie in 20 years isn't exactly huge news for most people. But it does get nph and Jonathan Groff work.
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Forgive me if this is a dumb question but reading the article you linked I've always wondered…..

How in the hell do you get picked to screen a movie?? I've never gotten a chance to do so nor have I ever personally met anyone who has.

Do you strike lightning in a bottle and just have to be in the right place at the right time? There a list somewhere to put your name on? Gotta know someone involved with the movie?

Genuinely curious on this

In LA, at a few theaters throughout town, maybe once a month or so per theater, there will be people who work for the companies who handle test screenings, standing at the theater entrance or at the top/bottom of a theater escalator, etc, literally recruiting people to attend certain screenings. But they don't work for the theater and they aren't for screenings at that particular theater either. Most test screening are on studio lots, though some do rent out a multiplex theater if it's a bigger crowd.

Regardless, the recruits will have a clipboard with a little sign on it that says something like, "TEST SCREENING FOR SCI-FI ACTION PIC / WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 2021." The clipboard/sign hardly ever says the actual title of the movie, or if it does have the title it'll be for a movie that's not some big secret. If it doesn't have the title, sometimes, if you ask, the recruit will tell you what it's for, but sometimes they won't. It just depends. Either way, they'll ask you as you walk by if you want to attend (or you can approach them), you then give them your name and email, then you get an email invitation like a day later with the screening time and address, and your name is on an admittance list for entry through the studio gate. Once you attend a screening, you can then opt to be put on an email list that goes out from that particular company every so often, and they get a lot of attendees that way as well.

The other way to attend is simply knowing people who work for the studios who are involved in the test screening process. Again, the studios hire screening companies to handle it all, but they're obviously working hand-in-hand with studio employees who set the screenings up and act as liaisons.

I've attended test screenings every which way, through recruiters and through friends at studios. And while it's cool to get to see something months in advance, I honestly started to get jealous of everyone seeing certain movies opening weekend, and didn't enjoy missing out on all the hype and marketing that goes along with that experience, for titles I'd already seen months ago, most of which featured incomplete effects or alternate scenes/endings/etc (that usually aren't as good as the final product).

The only two test screening experiences that were truly memorable for me were being in the first test screening for Borat, eight months before it came out, in a huge, packed theater, and then being in the first test screening for I Am Legend on the Warner Bros. lot. To this day, the Borat screening is literally the hardest I've ever laughed in a theater, long before any trailers or commercials had been cut, so I had almost no idea what to expect, save for being a fan of his HBO show. But I literally had tears in my eyes multiple times, and the audience was just howling throughout. It was amazing. Then, for I Am Legend, they showed us two different endings. After filling out the post-screening questionnaire, a friend and I were picked to be part of a 10-person focus group, and I swear we were one of the reasons they went with the ending they did. In one ending Will Smith lived, but we pleaded our case as to why it should be the ending where he dies. There were a ton of WB execs right behind us, hanging on every world, and all I know is they ultimately went with the ending where he died.

So those were super cool, unique experiences, but the others I've been to, I ultimately just ended up feeling left out on opening weekend, jealous of everyone who got to experience the marketing push and opening weekend in real time, so to speak.

Tying this back into The Matrix, though, I guarantee you no one attending that test screening knew they were there to see it. They almost assuredly knew they were seeing a big, Warner Bros. blockbuster, so they knew it'd likely be worth their time, but for a movie that big/secret, someone probably came out and announced it just before the lights went down.
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Fat Bib Fortuna said:

Sex changes by directors who havent put out a good movie in 20 years isn't exactly huge news for most people. But it does get nph and Jonathan Groff work.


Matrix Reloaded came out 18 years ago.
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And Speed Racer came out 13 years ago.
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Cloud Atlas is not bad.

My problem with their movies is the bland, tedious Gnosticism as some kind of deep philosophical meditation. Wrong.
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Jesus. The fact that Matrix Reloaded is 18 years old makes me actually feel my age...
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Redstone said:

Cloud Atlas is not bad.

My problem with their movies is the bland, tedious Gnosticism as some kind of deep philosophical meditation. Wrong.


Cloud Atlas is an incredible book and a bad movie who's only redeeming feature is a very solid score
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TCTTS said:

Tenet/Matrix crossover, obviously.


Your lack of intuitiveness while being in the industry is really perplexing.

It's clearly, Mephisto. You dumbass.
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TCTTS said:


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Forgive me if this is a dumb question but reading the article you linked I've always wondered…..

How in the hell do you get picked to screen a movie?? I've never gotten a chance to do so nor have I ever personally met anyone who has.

Do you strike lightning in a bottle and just have to be in the right place at the right time? There a list somewhere to put your name on? Gotta know someone involved with the movie?

Genuinely curious on this

Then, for I Am Legend, they showed us two different endings. After filling out the post-screening questionnaire, a friend and I were picked to be part of a 10-person focus group, and I swear we were one of the reasons they went with the ending they did. In one ending Will Smith lived, but we pleaded our case as to why it should be the ending where he dies. There were a ton of WB execs right behind us, hanging on every world, and all I know is they ultimately went with the ending where he died.

so I can blame you for that ending!!!

But seriously thank you for all that insight. I'm honestly surprised they don't venture out beyond LA into other parts of the country, but I figured it's just way easier and cheaper to keep in house per se for all those test screenings.
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TCTTS said:

And Speed Racer came out 13 years ago.
I actually enjoyed Speed Racer with my then-6 year old son.
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It's a legitimately fun movie!
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jokershady said:

Forgive me if this is a dumb question but reading the article you linked I've always wondered…..

How in the hell do you get picked to screen a movie?? I've never gotten a chance to do so nor have I ever personally met anyone who has.

Do you strike lightning in a bottle and just have to be in the right place at the right time? There a list somewhere to put your name on? Gotta know someone involved with the movie?

Genuinely curious on this


Sign up for Gofobo. You will get emails for offers to go to screenings. They are still first come first serve even if you print out a voucher. But I've not had an issue getting in if I get there an hour prior.
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Speaking of Speed Racer, Christina Ricci is cast in Matrix Resurrections. No idea on her role though.
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TCTTS said:

It's a legitimately fun movie!
Speed Racer is a totally guilty pleasure film for me. It's big, dumb, and fun, and the race scenes look incredible.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Fat Bib Fortuna said:

Sex changes by directors who havent put out a good movie in 20 years isn't exactly huge news for most people. But it does get nph and Jonathan Groff work.


Matrix Reloaded came out 18 years ago.
Yeah, that's what I said.
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TCTTS said:

Then, for I Am Legend, they showed us two different endings. After filling out the post-screening questionnaire, a friend and I were picked to be part of a 10-person focus group, and I swear we were one of the reasons they went with the ending they did. In one ending Will Smith lived, but we pleaded our case as to why it should be the ending where he dies. There were a ton of WB execs right behind us, hanging on every world, and all I know is they ultimately went with the ending where he died.


I bet other people had the experience I'm about to describe. Went to see I Am Legend at the IMAX in West Houston. Before it starts, they played the opening 10 minutes of The Dark Knight with the bank heist and the school buses and the big Joker reveal. When that ended, my buddy and I were so blown away I think neither one of us remembered what movie we were actually there to see.
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Not to mention V for Vendetta. 2005.
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Was that movie good? I saw it back in 2005 but can't remember a thing about it
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I remember basically 3 things.

1. A bald Natalie Portman
2. The badass ending
3. Enjoying it
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Sea Speed said:

Was that movie good? I saw it back in 2005 but can't remember a thing about it


It's like Fight Club for me. I love the themes, but it's going to make me feel depressed by the end. So although a great movie, the rewatchability of it goes down.
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Sea Speed said:

Was that movie good? I saw it back in 2005 but can't remember a thing about it
We watched it over Christmas. It's fantastic. It's also scary as hell how much it correlates to what is happening in America right now. Wife and I literally looked at one another multiple times during movie with looks of "that is happening right now!"
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Welp, guess I'll need to find it streaming somewhere. Thanks guys.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:



1. A bald Natalie Portman



I lied, this is the only thing I remembered about it ha
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Very high Star count for me on this thread.

Thank you all.
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Fat Bib Fortuna said:

TCTTS said:

Then, for I Am Legend, they showed us two different endings. After filling out the post-screening questionnaire, a friend and I were picked to be part of a 10-person focus group, and I swear we were one of the reasons they went with the ending they did. In one ending Will Smith lived, but we pleaded our case as to why it should be the ending where he dies. There were a ton of WB execs right behind us, hanging on every world, and all I know is they ultimately went with the ending where he died.


I bet other people had the experience I'm about to describe. Went to see I Am Legend at the IMAX in West Houston. Before it starts, they played the opening 10 minutes of The Dark Knight with the bank heist and the school buses and the big Joker reveal. When that ended, my buddy and I were so blown away I think neither one of us remembered what movie we were actually there to see.


Yep - that preview was the reason we went to see it in IMAX. The first shot of TDK is the glass skyscrapper shot with IMAX cameras. When that appeared the entire audience let out a collective "Whoa!" and it just got better ftom there....unti I Am Legend started.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Not to mention V for Vendetta. 2005.

Love that movie, but just FYI, the Wachowskis only wrote it, they didn't direct.
 
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