This should all be read in Will Ferrell's voice.exitone said:
The Architect also explains a complication to reloading the Matrix: for some unknown reason, the Prime Program, a key programming necessary to initiate the reload, resides within the programming of the One himself. As a result, the Architect and the Oracle use the Prophecy to lure the One to the Architect's realm, whereby the Architect essentially blackmails the One into entering the door leading to the Source. If the One chooses to enter the second door, which leads back to the Matrix, the Architect warned that humanity would become extinct with the eventual crash of the Matrix and the Machines' deliberate destruction of Zion.
The current version of the Matrix itself has apparently been reset a total of 6 times since its creation. Presumably, its inhabitants had their memories erased each time it was reloaded, as well as when it was first created, which had ultimately been 7 times.
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White Rabbit is such an awesome choice for this trailer. Shut up and take my money.
Not a lot about that trailer moves the needle. Mostly the same action sequences from the last three: explosions, helicopters, jumping off buildings, karate wire fight, sprinklers going off, morphing agents, bullet time...
The scenes from the battery farm and another when there was a hovership (or whatever they called in the Matrix universe) on screen were the only two that really grabbed me.
After seeing Toy Story 4, I cannot unhear Keanu's stupid Duke Caboom voice.
I guess the most intriguing thing for me will be seeing how Wachowski untangles the blind death flight to fight Agent Smith from Matrix 3. How is the "Resurrection" possible?
I'm guessing there will be some jump-to-conclusions retcon that gets five minutes of screen-time but spawns years of internet bickering between both old and new dorks. The ending will probably be open-ish in case the people in "The Biz" figure there is more money to be wrung out of fans.
I give that trailer a solid C based on its overuse of original Matrix effects for nostalgia's sake.
The scenes from the battery farm and another when there was a hovership (or whatever they called in the Matrix universe) on screen were the only two that really grabbed me.
After seeing Toy Story 4, I cannot unhear Keanu's stupid Duke Caboom voice.
I guess the most intriguing thing for me will be seeing how Wachowski untangles the blind death flight to fight Agent Smith from Matrix 3. How is the "Resurrection" possible?
I'm guessing there will be some jump-to-conclusions retcon that gets five minutes of screen-time but spawns years of internet bickering between both old and new dorks. The ending will probably be open-ish in case the people in "The Biz" figure there is more money to be wrung out of fans.
I give that trailer a solid C based on its overuse of original Matrix effects for nostalgia's sake.
BenFiasco14 said:
I liked the trailer and will obviously see this but what the hell is up with the bargain bin Morpheus? Is that supposed to be the same character?
Bargain Bin Morpheus would make a great name for a band!
Matrix 4 The Search for more Money
Easy, Rod
MUSIC CHOICE: A+. That the song "White Rabbit" opens with the lyrics, "One pill makes you larger and one pill makes you small..." makes *me* embarrassed I never made that connection. But it works so, so well here.
CINEMATOGRAPHY: Not a fan of the super-clean sheen and hand-held vibe. I really miss the look of the original trilogy (the first film, especially), though I assume there's an organic reason for going this direction. I'm not saying the cinematography doesn't look cool, it just looks *very* different from what I was expecting. Which, again, could be part of the point.
PLOT: I have no f-ing clue. I do think everyone from the original trilogy is truly dead, and that these iterations are essentially their leftover digital code. But who knows. I'm definitely intrigued, though. It's a hook for sure, to bring everyone back, except with no memory of the previous three movies. It's certainly something we haven't seen before.
All that said, there's almost no way this movie delivers.
It'll likely make some super weird decisions, feel forced/clunky at times, be too meta/theme-heavy for its own good, and will almost assuredly piss certain people off with some kind of gay/trans/they/them/pro-vaccine/socialist subtext/message.
The good thing about the first two sequels, though, is that they prepared us for this reality (no pun intended), and no matter how great the marketing is (and it's incredible so far), come December, most of us will still be entering the theater with a healthy dose of inherent skepticism, as evident in this thread.
But maybe that's how/why this sequel succeeds where the other two sequels "failed"?
Because we're so jaded and it's been so long, there's almost zero pressure on this to be anything other than decently cool and mildly fun and injected with just the right amount of nostalgia. Overall, the trailer really does look stunning, yet I still have next to no expectations that this thing is actually going to blow me away, even though it absolutely looks like it could (if that makes any sense). It's a combination of seemingly such a weird ass plot, being let down by the first two sequels (which, again, I think play slightly better now than they did originally), and all the "legacy" sequels since that have yet to live up to the hype/originals (Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, Tron Legacy, the Star Wars Sequels, etc - with Blade Runner 2049 being the rare exception, IMO) that makes me less excited for this than I thought I'd be.
Which is all to say, maybe my expectations are finally in check enough for something like this to actually work for me (which, admittedly, is an expectation in and of itself).
Either way, bring it on.
CINEMATOGRAPHY: Not a fan of the super-clean sheen and hand-held vibe. I really miss the look of the original trilogy (the first film, especially), though I assume there's an organic reason for going this direction. I'm not saying the cinematography doesn't look cool, it just looks *very* different from what I was expecting. Which, again, could be part of the point.
PLOT: I have no f-ing clue. I do think everyone from the original trilogy is truly dead, and that these iterations are essentially their leftover digital code. But who knows. I'm definitely intrigued, though. It's a hook for sure, to bring everyone back, except with no memory of the previous three movies. It's certainly something we haven't seen before.
All that said, there's almost no way this movie delivers.
It'll likely make some super weird decisions, feel forced/clunky at times, be too meta/theme-heavy for its own good, and will almost assuredly piss certain people off with some kind of gay/trans/they/them/pro-vaccine/socialist subtext/message.
The good thing about the first two sequels, though, is that they prepared us for this reality (no pun intended), and no matter how great the marketing is (and it's incredible so far), come December, most of us will still be entering the theater with a healthy dose of inherent skepticism, as evident in this thread.
But maybe that's how/why this sequel succeeds where the other two sequels "failed"?
Because we're so jaded and it's been so long, there's almost zero pressure on this to be anything other than decently cool and mildly fun and injected with just the right amount of nostalgia. Overall, the trailer really does look stunning, yet I still have next to no expectations that this thing is actually going to blow me away, even though it absolutely looks like it could (if that makes any sense). It's a combination of seemingly such a weird ass plot, being let down by the first two sequels (which, again, I think play slightly better now than they did originally), and all the "legacy" sequels since that have yet to live up to the hype/originals (Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, Tron Legacy, the Star Wars Sequels, etc - with Blade Runner 2049 being the rare exception, IMO) that makes me less excited for this than I thought I'd be.
Which is all to say, maybe my expectations are finally in check enough for something like this to actually work for me (which, admittedly, is an expectation in and of itself).
Either way, bring it on.
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and will almost assuredly piss certain people off with some kind of gay/trans/they/them/pro-vaccine/socialist subtext/message.
The fact that the Wachowski (sp) Brothers are now SISTERS has generated some interested discussion on other forums. I was surprised so many people didn't know.
But yes I'm sure. Calling it now: chick with the rabbit tattoo and blue hair is a lesbian
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
So I already caught something from one of the Youtubers reaction vids......at the beginning where Neo and Doogie Howser are talking and there's some quick flashes after Neo mentions dreams, there is a split second shot of Neo in the Matrix after the 3rd movie being worked on by the machines.....we know it's after the 3rd movie because his eyes are still burned out
So it appears the body of the original Neo in our reality will still be playing a part in some way.
So it appears the body of the original Neo in our reality will still be playing a part in some way.
Oh, wow, you're right. Verrrrry interesting....
The Oracle is being played by Telma Hopkins. This is the little girl from the last Matrix movie (I can't remember her name)
— Sheila Cato (@cato_sheila) September 9, 2021
Brian Earl Spilner said:
I'm wondering as well.
Some random theories:
It's actually a younger Morpheus, and this is the story of one of the previous versions of The One the architect talked about in Reloaded. (I guess it would require a memory wipe for Morpheus at some point.)
It's meant to be the same Morpheus we saw in the original, and this is a "what if" scenario of if Neo had taken the blue pill rather than the red pill. An alternate reality?
All of our characters are reincarnated and for whatever reason Morpheus is now younger than Neo and Trinity.
I like the younger Morpheus theory, I could certainly see that
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
Saw some people saying that, but that's not the same actress.
Pretty good breakdown with no discernible spoilers on IO9
https://gizmodo.com/breaking-down-the-matrix-resurrections-head-trip-of-a-f-1847639698
Here's my dumb question. Once the machines "win" the war vs. humanity, what exactly is their point in continuing to operate? I remember the machines having their own city in the Animatrix that was very much like the plot of one of the novellas of "I, Robot" but do they have a function? Are they building their own society? It's sort of similar to my question of what the ultimate motivation for the White Walkers was going to be if they had won the war - other than having a place where everyone is a White Walker or a zombie, what comes after that?
https://gizmodo.com/breaking-down-the-matrix-resurrections-head-trip-of-a-f-1847639698
Here's my dumb question. Once the machines "win" the war vs. humanity, what exactly is their point in continuing to operate? I remember the machines having their own city in the Animatrix that was very much like the plot of one of the novellas of "I, Robot" but do they have a function? Are they building their own society? It's sort of similar to my question of what the ultimate motivation for the White Walkers was going to be if they had won the war - other than having a place where everyone is a White Walker or a zombie, what comes after that?
They just needed humans for their energy.
Is it ever discussed in the Matrix whether the various iterations of "The One" are all Neo or different people? In my mind, I kind of assumed that it was always a different person who ended up being The One. But now I'm thinking back to that scene in #2 when he meets The Architect, and how the monitors behind him are all iterations of Neo, and I'm wondering if I have always had this one backwards.
Maybe the issue is that there's something specifically special about Neo himself, physically. And somehow the machines are actually keeping him alive. So basically he has to wake up, fight back, lose, and be reset somehow, and ultimately reinserted in order to keep the Matrix functioning. Maybe that's why he's aging inside the Matrix, and why you see a shot of him with his eyes burned out. The machines reinserted him to start the process over.
Maybe the issue is that there's something specifically special about Neo himself, physically. And somehow the machines are actually keeping him alive. So basically he has to wake up, fight back, lose, and be reset somehow, and ultimately reinserted in order to keep the Matrix functioning. Maybe that's why he's aging inside the Matrix, and why you see a shot of him with his eyes burned out. The machines reinserted him to start the process over.
Brian Earl Spilner said:
Saw some people saying that, but that's not the same actress.
Dang, that would have been cool.
The release date is 12.22.21...
122221 is a numerical palindrome.
What does it MEAN?!
122221 is a numerical palindrome.
What does it MEAN?!
Tenet/Matrix crossover, obviously.
probably not a darn thing......someone saw the opportunity to do this and said, "hey! release it on this date it'll drive the hardcore fans nuts."
If this long dormant sequel can deliver anywhere close to Blade Runner 2049 levels then I will be super impressed.
Regardless of the outcome, it gives me something to really look forward to!
Regardless of the outcome, it gives me something to really look forward to!
Interesting still image I just found. At the 1:56 mark on the one I'm watching. The scene right after Neo has the gun pointed at his head...
Swat team is moving in on what looks like a stage and there is a projected image or video of Neo on the wall... it's right after taking the Red pill when the T1000 liquid metal is engulfing him. Interesting!
Swat team is moving in on what looks like a stage and there is a projected image or video of Neo on the wall... it's right after taking the Red pill when the T1000 liquid metal is engulfing him. Interesting!
Right, but what are they using that energy for once they win the war?Brian Earl Spilner said:
They just needed humans for their energy.
I suppose they have the same self-preservation instincts that humans have.
jr15aggie said:
Interesting still image I just found. At the 1:56 mark on the one I'm watching. The scene right after Neo has the gun pointed at his head...
Swat team is moving in on what looks like a stage and there is a projected image or video of Neo on the wall... it's right after taking the Red pill when the T1000 liquid metal is engulfing him. Interesting!
Found the screenshot, and you're totally right...
Based on unconfirmed reports, The Matrix movies themselves are somehow canon in whatever world/reality "Thomas" is inhabiting here. Like, people in this world have seen the The Matrix in a movie theater, there's apparently a Matrix video game, etc. So the inhabitants of this world/reality know about the whole machines-enslaving-humanity-as-a power-source conceit. I can't quite wrap my head around it, and it doesn't explain how "Thomas" wouldn't recognize himself on screen as an actor playing Neo, but maybe it's somehow ultimately just another form of control by the machines? If people are aware of The Matrix as a franchise, they won't think they're actually in another Matrix?
Here's some tracks to get hyped with.
TCTTS said:jr15aggie said:
Interesting still image I just found. At the 1:56 mark on the one I'm watching. The scene right after Neo has the gun pointed at his head...
Swat team is moving in on what looks like a stage and there is a projected image or video of Neo on the wall... it's right after taking the Red pill when the T1000 liquid metal is engulfing him. Interesting!
Found the screenshot, and you're totally right...
Based on unconfirmed reports, The Matrix movies themselves are somehow canon in whatever world/reality "Thomas" is inhabiting here. Like, people in this world have seen the The Matrix in a movie theater, there's apparently a Matrix video game, etc. So the inhabitants of this world/reality know about the whole machines-enslaving-humanity-as-a power-source conceit. I can't quite wrap my head around it, and it doesn't explain how "Thomas" wouldn't recognize himself on screen, but maybe it's just another form of control by the machines? If people are aware of The Matrix as a franchise, they won't think they're actually in another Matrix?
As someone who - in Spring of 1999, standing in a parking lot outside a theater with RATM still ringing in my ears - earnestly thought for about 5-10 seconds that if I truly understood that I could fly then I actually good, I approve of this conceit.
Sigh.
Didn't we just agree recently to put stuff from "unconfirmed reports" like this in spoiler tags?
That's exactly the kind of thing I'd rather not know until the movie (or the marketing) tells us.
Didn't we just agree recently to put stuff from "unconfirmed reports" like this in spoiler tags?
That's exactly the kind of thing I'd rather not know until the movie (or the marketing) tells us.
This potential plot point has been discussed AT LENGTH in this exact thread already. We've had days and days of conversations about it. It was in casting calls, it's been reported in test screenings, and a character in the trailer literally refers to The Matrix as something that exists in the digital world. Not to mention, the third movie is literally being projected onto a wall in a shot in the trailer, which is obviously an official piece of marketing, of which we all agreed was fair game.
But fine, I'll pretend like none of that has been discussed or shown already and put spoiler tags on it.
But fine, I'll pretend like none of that has been discussed or shown already and put spoiler tags on it.
Someone said "The Matrix" in the trailer and to you this means they're talking about the MOVIE The Matrix? Rather than, you know, the actual Matrix?
And it is beyond frustrating that you think that average moviegoers keep up with stuff from freaking casting calls and therefore it's common knowledge.
The fact that neither of these seems ridiculous to you is kind of hilarious, but also maddening.
And it is beyond frustrating that you think that average moviegoers keep up with stuff from freaking casting calls and therefore it's common knowledge.
The fact that neither of these seems ridiculous to you is kind of hilarious, but also maddening.
I think that's the plot of Battlestar Galactica.Brian Earl Spilner said:
I suppose they have the same self-preservation instincts that humans have.
Outside of this thread, I obviously don't expect people to keep up with this stuff on that level. But either way, that has nothing to do with the point I'm making. AGAIN, I only mentioned those things to say that they've ALL already been discussed in this thread. Not just by me, but by many others. So I don't understand what you're trying to call me out on. The cat's out of bag. We've ALREADY talked about this potential plot point multiple times here, yet you seemingly had no issue with it then.
Also, yes, a character in the digital world referencing something called "The Matrix" - out in the open, and not in the shadows - is a pretty big clue something different is up this go-around.
Also, yes, a character in the digital world referencing something called "The Matrix" - out in the open, and not in the shadows - is a pretty big clue something different is up this go-around.
It's been discussed because you post all the insider details you find (without spoiler tags) and I smartly avoided all of it.
Haven't watched yet but will soon...
Since Shai Hulud took Baron Von Flag Smasher before you could claim it, how about you change your name to Captain Spoiler Pants?TCTTS said:
This potential plot point has been discussed AT LENGTH in this exact thread already. We've had days and days of conversations about it. It was in casting calls, it's been reported in test screenings, and a character in the trailer literally refers to The Matrix as something that exists in the digital world. Not to mention, the third movie is literally being projected onto a wall in a shot in the trailer, which is obviously an official piece of marketing, of which we all agreed was fair game.
But fine, I'll pretend like none of that has been discussed or shown already and put spoiler tags on it.
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