TC: I remember you saying that Chad Stahelski likely let more slip than he was supposed to earlier this summer.

Good call.

Yeah, something was definitely up. I just figured it would be the Michael B. Jordan soft reboot version (same continuation but all new characters) and not a version with the original (and very dead) main duo back. Granted, I guess this still could be the former. Surely there's a younger star they'll be pinning this on.

All I know is that however this ultimately pans out, the first teaser trailer, at least, has a ton of potential. Marketing a return to The Matrix could be a lot of fun...

Btw, assuming that early 2020 start date is accurate, 2021 is definitely bringing the heat in terms of massive sequels and tentpoles...

02.12.21 - Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9376612/

03.05.21 - Masters of the Universe
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0427340/

04.02.21 - Untitled Fast & Furious 10
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5433140/

05.07.21 - Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9419884/

05.21.21 - John Wick: Chapter 4
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10366206/

05.28.21 - Cruella
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3228774/

06.11.21 - Untitled Jurassic World 3
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8041270/

06.25.21 - The Batman
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1877830/

07.09.21 - Untitled Indiana Jones 5
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1462764/

07.16.21 - Space Jam 2
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3554046/

07.23.21 - Untitled Mission: Impossible 7
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9603212/

08.06.21 - The Suicide Squad
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6334354/

10.15.21 - Halloween Ends
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10665342/

11.05.21 - Thor: Love and Thunder
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10648342/

12.17.21 - Untitled Avatar 2
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1630029/

12.22.21 - Untitled Sherlock Holmes 3
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2094116/

TBA 2021 - Untitled The Matrix 4
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10838180/

Considering Reeves has John Wick: Chapter 4 in May, and Warner Bros. already has The Batman in late June and The Suicide Squad in August, I don't quite know where this fits in the schedule. Summer 2021 seems out of the question. So maybe they squeeze it between Thor: Love and Thunder and Avatar 2? Roughly Thanksgiving 2021? Unless the reports are off and this doesn't start filming until later in 2020? Still, even a fall 2020 production start is way too early for a summer 2022 release...

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I still don't understand how this would make sense. A young Morpheus would set this before they freed Thomas Anderson, aka Neo, from The Matrix.

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Don't forget, he was freed multiple times.

I don't think that's quite true, though. "The One" was freed multiple times. But they were apparently different people each time. In other words, I don't think the machines regrew a human being who looked like Keanu Reeves for every iteration. I could be wrong, though.

Anyone else have any clarity on this?

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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It's been 16 years. This would be our Phantom Menace, if we were Star Wars OT fans when they were coming out.

How's that for feeling old.

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That's pretty crazy.

How convenient that this new just happened to be announced the week before...

TCTTS said:

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I don't think that's quite true, though. "The One" was freed multiple times. But they were apparently different people each time. In other words, I don't think the machines regrew a human being who looked like Keanu Reeves for every iteration. I could be wrong, though.

Anyone else have any clarity on this?

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The videos of him when he reached the architect were all Keanu. The way I took it was that they created the one intentionally (the machines) as they knew he'd always make the choice they wanted him to and that was their method of controlling him.

TCTTS said:

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I don't think that's quite true, though. "The One" was freed multiple times. But they were apparently different people each time. In other words, I don't think the machines regrew a human being who looked like Keanu Reeves for every iteration. I could be wrong, though.

Anyone else have any clarity on this?

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The original story made no sense at all so any explanation they throw out there will work.

Maybe Colonel Sanders figured out a way to time travel and is going to try to kill Neo all over again. But this time the goofy dredded twins look like SpongeBob Squarepants. People will still see this s*** regardless of the story.

I had never heard of the other two writers on this, so I just looked them up. Both are uncredited writers on season two of Sense8, but are otherwise pretty well known authors...

Aleksandar Hemon - Author of the books Nowhere Man and The Lazarus Project.

David Mitchell - Author of the book Cloud Atlas.

It seems like the falling out between Lana and Lilly happened between seasons one and two of Sense8 on Netflix. When Lilly dropped out of season two, Lana brought on Hemon and Mitchell to help write/conceive season two in Lilly's absence. So that creative team was then carried over for this.

I've heard all kinds of opinions about Sense8, but Cloud Atlas might be my favorite non-Matrix Wachowski effort, so at least this has that going for it. I thought the makeup/using the same actors across all stories was a huge misfire, but I appreciate the idea/effort behind it, and the story itself was amazing. If anything, it gave us one of my favorite trailers of all time, but, admittedly, you put M83's "Outro" (beginning at 3:17) over anything and it'll seem like the most beautiful, epic thing ever...

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I've always viewed that as his conflicting emotions being displayed. Doesn't the architect say he's the seventh? There are hundreds of screens.

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Exactly. That was all of *this* Neo's potential reactions. Not all of the *other* Neo's reactions from previous iterations. And yeah, sixth or seventh. Can't remember which, exactly.

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TCTTS said:

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I don't think that's quite true, though. "The One" was freed multiple times. But they were apparently different people each time. In other words, I don't think the machines regrew a human being who looked like Keanu Reeves for every iteration. I could be wrong, though.

Anyone else have any clarity on this?

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The videos of him when he reached the architect were all Keanu. The way I took it was that they created the one intentionally (the machines) as they knew he'd always make the choice they wanted him to and that was their method of controlling him.

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Neo also tells Morpheus later in essence that the prophecy was all BS. Remember that every human plugged in was supposed to die if Neo didn't walk through the source door to restart the system. They didn't.

Since Neo made a deal with the machines to save Zion if he stopped Smith I could see the machines somehow healed him and Trinity.

TCTTS said:

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Ulrich said:

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I've always viewed that as his conflicting emotions being displayed. Doesn't the architect say he's the seventh? There are hundreds of screens.

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Exactly. That was all of *this* Neo's potential reactions. Not all of the *other* Neo's reactions from previous iterations. And yeah, sixth or seventh. Can't remember which, exactly.

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I assume he's the seventh since that is an auspicious number in so many cultures.

Ulrich said:

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TCTTS said:

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Ulrich said:

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I've always viewed that as his conflicting emotions being displayed. Doesn't the architect say he's the seventh? There are hundreds of screens.

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Exactly. That was all of *this* Neo's potential reactions. Not all of the *other* Neo's reactions from previous iterations. And yeah, sixth or seventh. Can't remember which, exactly.

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I assume he's the seventh since that is an auspicious number in so many cultures.

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Neo was the sixth iteration according to the Architect.

I'm still going with Neo and Trinity being in the computer world only - like digital copies/remnants of their real selves - but that's a good point. The machines had Neo's body in the end, and Trinity's wasn't too far away (in the crashed ship). I guess, using some movie/machine magic, they could bring them back to life somehow.

TCTTS said:

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Ulrich said:

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I've always viewed that as his conflicting emotions being displayed. Doesn't the architect say he's the seventh? There are hundreds of screens.

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Exactly. That was all of *this* Neo's potential reactions. Not all of the *other* Neo's reactions from previous iterations. And yeah, sixth or seventh. Can't remember which, exactly.

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Hmm I didn't take it that way but it definitely makes sense.

TCTTS said:

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I'm still going with Neo and Trinity being in the computer world only - like digital copies/remnants of their real selves - but that's a good point. The machines had Neo's body in the end, and Trinity's wasn't too far away (in the crashed ship). I guess, using some movie/machine magic, they could bring them back to life somehow.

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I mean, the machine leader's name was literally Deus Ex Machina.

Like Ulrich says, there are hundreds of screens. I didn't take that to mean hundreds of past Neo's, as there had only been five before the Neo we knew.

dlance said:

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TCTTS said:

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I'm still going with Neo and Trinity being in the computer world only - like digital copies/remnants of their real selves - but that's a good point. The machines had Neo's body in the end, and Trinity's wasn't too far away (in the crashed ship). I guess, using some movie/machine magic, they could bring them back to life somehow.

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I mean, the machine leader's name was literally Deus Ex Machina.

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Ha, wow. Of course. Forgot about that.

I just realized I don't actually remember how the third movie ended

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I just realized I don't actually remember how the third movie ended

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Neo gets carried off to the Source (TCTTS? HA!), the Matrix reboots and the Oracle et al have a chat on the park bench.

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Near the Machine City, the Logos is bombarded by thousands of missiles, causing it to crash, fatally wounding Trinity. Neo enters the Machine City and encounters "Deus Ex Machina", the machine leader. Neo warns that Smith plans to conquer both the Matrix and the real world, and offers to stop Smith in exchange for peace with Zion. The machine leader agrees and the Sentinels stop attacking Zion.

The Machines provide a connection for Neo to enter the Matrix. Inside, the Smith with the Oracle's powers steps forth, saying that he has foreseen his victory against Neo. After a protracted battle, Neo realizes there is no other way to win and allows himself to be assimilated. The machine leader sends a surge of energy into Neo's body in the real world. Because Neo is connected to the Source, the energy surge causes the Neo-Smith clone and all other Smith clones in the Matrix to be destroyed, deleting Smith once and for all. The Sentinels withdraw from Zion, Morpheus and Niobe embrace, and Neo sees a final vision of the machine city while seemingly succumbing to his injuries, as his body is carried away by the machines.

The Matrix is rebooted, and the Architect encounters the Oracle in a park. They agree that the peace will last "as long as it can", and that all humans will be offered the opportunity to leave the Matrix. When questioned about Neo's fate, the Oracle tells Sati that she thinks they will see Neo again as Sati reveals she created a beautiful sunrise over the horizon in Neo's honor. Seraph asks the Oracle if she knew this would happen. She replies that she did not know, but she believed.

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Look for this movie to be the "landmark" moment (sarcasm) when trans characters are introduced to the silver screen.

Would Keanu agree to be in anything controversial? He doesn't seem especially predictable, but based on a "29 strangest, coolest things about Keanu Reeves" slideshow that I read on buzzfeed, I have a hard time imagining him volunteering to be in a firestorm.