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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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CapCityAg89 said:

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Wow. What creativity in that list. I hate when BP, BD and BSP all are the same movies. The actors this year seemed to come from the same films too. Just dumb.

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Yeah, why would the Best Pictures be directed by the Best Directors?

Makes no sense.

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Then why give separate awards? I'm not a frequent enough movie watcher to catch everything in a year so wouldn't venture other suggestions (ask me in 2019 and I can make a decent list for 2017).

But, can a directing performance not be separated from the writing and fundamental story?

I thought, for example, that the directing in Logan was superb because so much was pulled from the actors (including a young one) but that story/type of film was never going to get a best picture because it is "a superhero movie."

By creativity, I mean the ability to separate those different aspects and judge/award performances on their own merits.

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It can, that's why they're similar but not quite identical.

I personally thought Logan was one of the best things I saw last year, but it was probably shortchanged due to subject matter and not execution. It did get a screenplay nomination (though I feel like "adapted" is a stretch, would be curious on the exact details there).

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Has anyone seen and can recommend any of the documentaries?

I've seen Icarus (it's on Netflix) and it is one of the better "movies" I've seen this year but am not familiar with the others.

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They're all really good, out of that group Icarus (on Netflix) and Faces Places (not on streaming yet) are my favorites. Abacus: Small Enough to Jail is on Amazon Prime and Strong Island and Last Men in Aleppo are also both on Netflix.

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Thanks! I figured that post got buried. I just saw that Abacus is a Frontline episode.

TLJ deserves the Sound editing award just for the kamikaze scene

Sure, they're two separate things. But more often than not, there will be a pretty considerable overlap. MOST movies that are nominated for Best Picture, are usually there due to having incredible directors behind it.

There are a few exceptions of course. Big one that comes to mind is Argo. (Won for BP, and no nomination.)

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I thought, for example, that the directing in Logan was superb because so much was pulled from the actors (including a young one) but that story/type of film was never going to get a best picture because it is "a superhero movie."

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And while this is certainly true, the movie doesn't exist in a vacuum. You have to bump one of the other 5 directors, and that just wasn't going to happen. It's a very limited number of slots.

The director of Call Me By Your Name was the biggest "snub" in that category, in my opinion. But again, I wouldn't really call it a snub because of so few slots and so many great movies this year.

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Agreed, but we know why it wasn't Franco.

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Do we? You realize Oscar ballots were out for weeks before the claims right? In fact, those claims didn't surface until 48 hours before ballots were due. It's highly doubtful those allegations had anything to do with him missing out.

But that doesn't fit the narrative i guess.

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While that's true, I wonder if the rumors surrounding him didn't affect the voting even beforehand. I guess there's really no way of knowing.

I do find it pretty crazy that Denzel got it over him.

- No Franco

- It's about time Nolan got a best director but there is NO WAY he's beating Gerwig, or Del Toro.


that being said, I really truly believe Dunkirk should win it. I don't think it will.

Am I missing something with Gerwig? Lady Bird was a great movie but there wasn't anything done in terms of direction that I haven't seen before. Del Toro, I get, that's a difficult movie to direct. It's essentially a monster movie, which is not original, but the way it played out was something unlike I've ever seen.

Nolan blew them both away. What Nolan did with Dunkirk was insane. That was a very hard movie to make, much less make well.

Lady Bird just reeks of fap fap fap hollywood, new-ish female director, really personal movie.

i think Gerwig takes it. gut feeling.

Peele did a great job, but is a long shot.

I think The Post is the most political movie of the year so it will win Best Picture and a handful of other oscars.

She had literally never directed before and pulled off what I consider to be a flawless movie her first time out. Was it incredibly originally? No. But for a first timer, what she did is pretty damn amazing. That said, no way would I give the award to her. It'll either be Del Toro or Nolan.

Agreed on all counts.

And though I enjoyed Lady Bird, I do think Jordan Peele was even more impressive for a first-time director.

Don't know how I missed this, but MY FAVORITE BASKETBALL PLAYER EVER IS NOMINATED FOR AN OSCAR.

HNIC.... should i unretire out of BB Other or whatever it's called now

DEAR BB OTHER... I'm back...

Simplebay The Players Tribune

No question. This season has been a bonafide lituation.

My Twitter timeline is full of people upset that WW was shut out. I mean, it was good, but... come on.

It's a slightly above average superhero movie, complete with a typical, third act climax of CGI sh*t. Was it great to finally see a woman helm such a financially successful blockbuster? Absolutely. Should it be credited as a landmark achievement in terms of establishing a massive audience for female-led superhero movies? No doubt. But I don't understand why so many people think those two things should be criteria for elevating an otherwise average movie to Best Picture nominee status. From a narrative standpoint, and especially in terms of effects, it just wasn't anything special. Heck, in a couple areas it was downright bad. I loved the cast, and defintely had fun with it here and there, but man, I will never understand championing equal footing while ALSO expecting lower standards just because equal footing was finally achieved. Was it a milestone gender equality/empowerment achievement? Yes, and let's keep that ball rolling for sure. But a milestone achievement in terms of cinematic quality? No way.

From the same guy...

Ha, love it.

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From the same guy...

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Ok, that's pretty funny.

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It's a slightly above average superhero movie, complete with a typical, third act climax of CGI sh*t. Was it great to finally see a woman helm such a financially successful blockbuster? Absolutely. Should it be credited as a landmark achievement in terms of establishing a massive audience for female-led superhero movies? No doubt. But I don't understand why so many people think those two things should be criteria for elevating an otherwise average movie to Best Picture nominee status. From a narrative standpoint, and especially in terms of effects, it just wasn't anything special. Heck, in a couple areas it was downright bad. I loved the cast, and defintely had fun with it here and there, but man, I will never understand championing equal footing while ALSO expecting lower standards just because equal footing was finally achieved. Was it a milestone gender equality/empowerment achievement? Yes, and let's keep that ball rolling for sure. But a milestone achievement in terms of cinematic quality? No way.

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I feel like this is a partial rehash of the folks on the WW thread who thought the film was the best thing ever.

Yes it was great to see a female superhero film do really well, and yes it was fun, but there were at least 3 or 4 better superhero films this year much less better better films overall.

I couldn't agree more with TCTTS on this one.

Wonder Woman was a pretty basic, cookie-cutter superhero movie. There was nothing "great" about it, really, except maybe Gal's performance.

I'm not saying it's a bad movie, but there's nothing about it that stands out to me and puts it above a lot of other much better superhero movies. I could name a dozen better comic movies than WW. But, none of those had the zeitgeist-y thing of female empowerment pushing those up. That is really the only reason it got any attention at all as far as awards.

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I would have liked to have seen The Florida Project get a nomination for Best Picture. That's the biggest snub this year in my eyes, especially since they left the tenth spot unfilled.

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Tenth spot should have gone to Coco.

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ATM1876 said:

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I would have liked to have seen The Florida Project get a nomination for Best Picture. That's the biggest snub this year in my eyes, especially since they left the tenth spot unfilled.

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Tenth spot should have gone to Coco.

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I would've loved to have seen this.

Blade Runner 2049, for me.

Edit: Actually, it's a toss-up between that and The Big Sick.

My thoughts:

• Logan: I don't know what Adapted Screenplay really means or what the criteria for that is but I guess I'm glad Logan at least got some love. I would have at least nominated Patrick Stewart for Supporting Actor as well. It was such a powerful movie in more ways than one. Hell, it even checks off many of the hot button social themes of the day that Hollywood thinks are all important.

• Bladerunner 2049: it should win every award it's nominated for.

• The Post: I haven't seen this film, but I'm 100% certain it will win Best Picture because...Trump. Probably an 80% chance Streep wins so she can give the corresponding resist message that goes with it.

• Mark Hamill: moot point at this juncture but I don't understand the love of his acting in TLJ. I thought he was average and not even in character which he, himself, has complained about in dozens of interviews. And I'm a huge Star Wars nerd.

I love Mark. LOOOVE him. But to suggest he should win any awards is crazy. If anything, his performance held the film back, though he had a couple of very good moments.

I was one that was hoping for something remarkable from him with the help of a really strong director, but really he was just "okay."

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I couldn't agree more with TCTTS on this one.

Wonder Woman was a pretty basic, cookie-cutter superhero movie. There was nothing "great" about it, really, except maybe Gal's performance.

I'm not saying it's a bad movie, but there's nothing about it that stands out to me and puts it above a lot of other much better superhero movies. I could name a dozen better comic movies than WW. But, none of those had the zeitgeist-y thing of female empowerment pushing those up. That is really the only reason it got any attention at all as far as awards.

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It's a great popcorn flick, and a really entertaining and well done movie. I had my faults with it (the line about no man's land being called that because "no man" can cross it instead of "no one" can cross it as a little on the feminist nose, but I digress).

Great movie? Yes. Deserving of an Oscar? Hell no. TCTTS pretty much nailed his assessment of it.

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I love Mark. LOOOVE him. But to suggest he should win any awards is crazy. If anything, his performance held the film back, though he had a couple of very good moments.

I was one that was hoping for something remarkable from him with the help of a really strong director, but really he was just "okay."

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To be fair to Mark, pretty much everything held that movie back.

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AliasMan02 said:

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I love Mark. LOOOVE him. But to suggest he should win any awards is crazy. If anything, his performance held the film back, though he had a couple of very good moments.

I was one that was hoping for something remarkable from him with the help of a really strong director, but really he was just "okay."

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To be fair to Mark, pretty much everything held that movie back.

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Inaccurate.

BassCowboy33 said:

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AliasMan02 said:

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I love Mark. LOOOVE him. But to suggest he should win any awards is crazy. If anything, his performance held the film back, though he had a couple of very good moments.

I was one that was hoping for something remarkable from him with the help of a really strong director, but really he was just "okay."

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To be fair to Mark, pretty much everything held that movie back.

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The shoulder brush was so out of character for Luke (not to mention wanting to kill his nephew for having bad dreams).