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Watching the "After Thrones" show, they refer to Arya's scene and "the waif" turning into Jaqen H'ghar.

Couple questions: Were Jagen and the waif never shown together? I meant to rewatch last season, but never made it all the way through.

Second, they referred to him as "the faceless man." My understanding, or assumption, from the beginning of this storyline is that he is A faceless man, suggesting the existence of others. Is it more correct to think that he is the only faceless man, and Arya is training to become him like some kind of Giver/Receiver thing?

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They were shown together. Based on the blinding scene we know there are at least 2 faceless men that were training Arya.

Based on the show it appears that the waif and Jaqen are interchangeable faces that the faceless men can use. Like a generic face for everyday use.

Personally, I've never found these shows to provide me any useful knowledge and I usually disagree with their takes on episodes.

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I knew resurrection was coming, one way or another. I did not expect this mound of man to bash in brains randomly. When Jon came back, I said "there it is." During the Mountain scene, I yelled "holy ****." Troll and his rag doll takes consolation prize for me.

I realize and accept I am not some sort of cerebral consumer of GoT.

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Not "random" at all. The guy was bad-mouthing Cersei. Strong is Cersei's protector.

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I'm still wondering why Ser Robert Strong was even in the vicinity of the guy talking sh*t about Cersei instead of being at her side or guarding her door. That's what's random about this scene, but I guess they just threw that in to give us a laugh.

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Second, they referred to him as "the faceless man." My understanding, or assumption, from the beginning of this storyline is that he is A faceless man, suggesting the existence of others. Is it more correct to think that he is the only faceless man, and Arya is training to become him like some kind of Giver/Receiver thing?

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No, they are a company of Assassin's. There a many of them. Its hard to tell though since they can all change their appearance

Yea I think that was just a "hey viewers, this zombie franken-mountain can do more than stand in one place menacingly." Definitely seemed like nothing more than a scene to show he can crush a man's head without breaking a sweat.

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I knew resurrection was coming, one way or another. I did not expect this mound of man to bash in brains randomly. When Jon came back, I said "there it is." During the Mountain scene, I yelled "holy ****." Troll and his rag doll takes consolation prize for me.

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Not "random" at all. The guy was bad-mouthing Cersei. Strong is Cersei's protector.

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I'm still wondering why Ser Robert Strong was even in the vicinity of the guy talking sh*t about Cersei instead of being at her side or guarding her door. That's what's random about this scene, but I guess they just threw that in to give us a laugh.

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I'm not sure it really matters, anyway. It was a throwaway scene to show how strong Ser Strong is, and they had some dumb drunkard story as a way to justify his killing. Too many people look for meaning in everything in this show.

Primarily just showing the level of offense that Sir Strong will respond too in his task of protecting the Kings Mother.

We already know he is violent. Now we know you cannot say anything mean about the King's Mother.

I think that is the point. Plus she can't leave the castle, so someone has to run her errands.

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I knew resurrection was coming, one way or another. I did not expect this mound of man to bash in brains randomly. When Jon came back, I said "there it is." During the Mountain scene, I yelled "holy ****." Troll and his rag doll takes consolation prize for me.

I realize and accept I am not some sort of cerebral consumer of GoT.

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Not "random" at all. The guy was bad-mouthing Cersei. Strong is Cersei's protector.

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I'm still wondering why Ser Robert Strong was even in the vicinity of the guy talking sh*t about Cersei instead of being at her side or guarding her door. That's what's random about this scene, but I guess they just threw that in to give us a laugh.

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I took it as Cersei sent Strong to kill him. He'd probably been telling that story for awhile. Cersei is the kind to take that **** really personally, so she probably tracked the guy down and then had Strong kill him. I definitely don't think Strong was hanging out at the bar and overheard him and decided to kill him on his own. They would've showed him overhearing it if that's what they wanted to do, and I don't think Strong has enough personality left to do anything but what he is commanded to do.

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The crown still has ears everywhere. Remember in season 1 that Joffrey had a minstrel's tongue cut out for singing a disparaging song

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So, who has taken over for Varys as spymaster now that he's taken his comedy act with Tyrion to Meereen?

I don't really care that they didn't set up the scene to make it clear how Strong came to be there. It did seem random, but I'll agree the obvious assumption is that he was ordered by someone to go take care of the guy in the marketplace who's talking sh*t about Cersei.

Frankly, I enjoyed the peasant's story, but I laughed when he turned around and you could hear his piss stream of justice hitting Strong's armor. And that offense would have been all that's necessary to provoke Strong to smash his head against the wall.

I agree that was him just completing an assignment. All I thought last season when they made her walk of shame so long is her vengeance is going to be nasty. There will be many more that will be taken down. Might not be pretty.

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I agree that was him just completing an assignment. All I thought last season when they made her walk of shame so long is her vengeance is going to be nasty. There will be many more that will be taken down. Might not be pretty.

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You'd think between Jamie, Strong, the Kings Guard, and the Lannisters in general they'd be able to **** the Sparrows up pretty easily...

Do we have any idea how many club wielding sparrows there are?

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Watching the "After Thrones" show, they refer to Arya's scene and "the waif" turning into Jaqen H'ghar.

Couple questions: Were Jagen and the waif never shown together? I meant to rewatch last season, but never made it all the way through.

Second, they referred to him as "the faceless man." My understanding, or assumption, from the beginning of this storyline is that he is A faceless man, suggesting the existence of others. Is it more correct to think that he is the only faceless man, and Arya is training to become him like some kind of Giver/Receiver thing?

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You should watch last season again. The waif and the mentor talk to each other a few times, like regarding her failing her mission to poison the gambler on the docks. Then when arya kills Ser Pedo, the waif hold arya as the mentor is about to force the poison down Aryas throat to make it right with Death. The mentor takes the poison instead, then the another mentor shows up as Jacqen and blinds Arya.

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I agree that was him just completing an assignment. All I thought last season when they made her walk of shame so long is her vengeance is going to be nasty. There will be many more that will be taken down. Might not be pretty.

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You'd think between Jamie, Strong, the Kings Guard, and the Lannisters in general they'd be able to **** the Sparrows up pretty easily...

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I think it's more involved that that, though. The Faith Militant is a religious organization charged with protecting the Faith of the Seven, not just an army. Imagine killing the Pope and everyone in the Vatican. How do you survive that, politically? You don't. The High Sparrow is revered by every poor person he's helped along the way. Even Highborns dare not speak/act against them because that would be sacrilegious. Now, I'm sure there's a breaking point, and Tommen's conversation with Cersei suggests we might be getting to that point soon. But if they attack Baelor's Sept and the High Sparrow, they should expect to deal with every lowborn in King's Landing as well.

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We knew nothing about her age. Book reader?

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She was betrothed to Robert, who is same age as Eddard. She seems older than Eddard in the flashback. How often was a medieval daughter betrothed to a younger man?

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To be fair, girls go through puberty earlier than boys. They could've been close to the same age.

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The wiki says that Lyanna is Eddard's younger sister. To me, she looked to be the elder by several years in Bran's time-travel/vision. Who knows. I was just surprised that she looked older.

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Do we have any idea how many club wielding sparrows there are?

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Remember that not all of the Sparrows are just "club wielding" peasants. Remember the negotiations between Cersei and the High Septon regarding the Crown's monetary debt to the Faith. In exchange for forgiveness of that debt, Cersei agreed to restoration of the Faith Militant, which had been outlawed for centuries and which had been a military order answerable only to the Faith. Perhaps analogous to the early Knights Templar.

Lancel is one of the new Faith Militant enforcers acting on behalf of the High Sparrow, and he is an anointed knight. The question is "How many are like Lancel?"

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She was betrothed to Robert, who is same age as Eddard. She seems older than Eddard in the flashback. How often was a medieval daughter betrothed to a younger man?

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To be fair, girls go through puberty earlier than boys. They could've been close to the same age.

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The wiki says that she is Eddard's younger sister. To me, she looked to be the elder by several years in Bran's time-travel/vision. Who knows. I was just surprised that she looked older.

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Brandon Stark>Eddard Stark>Lyanna Stark>Benjen Stark

Last season we got the Tyrion Varys and Dany team up and the dialogue there has been awesome.

Whos story lines would be great to see converge?

Jon and Brianne would be pretty strong. Two of the most noble and skilled characters in the show.

Little finger and Theon team up to take back Winterfell? Unlikely but Theon/little finger dialogue could be pretty good.

Has it been hinted at or straight up told what the agenda of the faceless men is?

I'm looking forward to a Sansa and Jon reunion.

Would be the first Stark reunion since season one, unless I'm forgetting one. (Bran seeing Jon doesn't really count.)

Pretty amazing that we've gone this long and there's really only one of the Stark children (including John) that is currently dead. Although Rickon might as well be dead as little as he has had to do with the story so far.

I suppose you can say that Arya is "dead" since she is now "no one," but that's semantics. She's not gonna end up back as Lord of Winterfell (unless an amazing set of events and plot twists occur).

And to chime in on a point from above - Sansa HAS to be pregnant, right? Ramsay pretty much had his way with her every night for well over a month, right? She would be carrying around a Bolton heir. Really gets interesting. Where's a planned parenthood when you need one.

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Has it been hinted at or straight up told what the agenda of the faceless men is?

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No. They have no agenda. They are straight up the best and most expensive assassin's in the world.

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True, but I think that the "agenda" is their religion. The assassinations are just a way to fund the religion.

I disagree. The multifaced god and it's religion isn't evangelical or imperial. They don't care if people worship the drowned god or the mother, all they care about is death and money.

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I disagree. The multifaced god and it's religion isn't evangelical or imperial. They don't care if people worship the drowned god or the mother, all they care about is death and money.

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Yeah they don't care what people believe in. They aren't fanatics who demand others to follow them.

When Arya first met syrio and he explained the god of death, such a concept was so foreign to her. She had never even heard of a monotheism before.

If the bravoosi cared about spreading religion why has no one on westeros even heard of it. The only ones who know about that religion are those rich enough to travel to essos, or sailors.

Where is Bronn? Are we going to see Sam at the Citidel? Is Gendry still on a boat? What about Osha?

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I disagree. The multifaced god and it's religion isn't evangelical or imperial. They don't care if people worship the drowned god or the mother, all they care about is death and money.

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Yeah they don't care what people believe in. They aren't fanatics who demand others to follow them.

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How is this inconsistent with what I said? They are not assassins with no agenda. They are devotees of a religion that essentially worships death, and they use the fees from their assassinations to fund their religion. Nowhere did I say that they are out proselytizing. A man must maintain a Temple, and a man must feed his assassins.