***Official 2024 - 2025 Dallas Mavericks Season Thread***

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12:46p, 2/26/25
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The huge Kyrie minutes are absolutely a concern. Especially if Exum has to miss time now.

It's really not that worrisome at other spots. PJ playing low to mid 30s every night is no big deal. Klay played 30 minutes last night, but he doesn't normally play that much, he was just on a heater and had to stay in. Naji still playing in the low to mid 20s each game is fine. If anything, I want Naji playing more, but I still thin he is dealing with the plague. Only reason why he doesn't get way more minutes. Max is young, he should be fine playing mid to high 30s minutes.
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12:47p, 2/26/25
In some world the reports on Luka's habits could justify the trade.

But it still can't come close to justifying the return and the failure to get multiple offers.

Davis predictably getting injured again is just the rotten cherry on top.

You don't want to give him the supermax? Fine.
You want to trade him? Fine.
You quietly offer him up to one team and get an oft-injured player in return?

That's Nico bucking "conventional wisdom" thinking he's the smartest guy in the room. Turns out he was the mark.

Mavs will have to move on, but anyone still defending this trade is doing so because they're dug in and they just look foolish.
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In reply to Proposition Joe • 12:53p, 2/26/25
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Proposition Joe said:
In some world the reports on Luka's habits could justify the trade.

But it still can't come close to justifying the return and the failure to get multiple offers.

Davis predictably getting injured again is just the rotten cherry on top.

You don't want to give him the supermax? Fine.
You want to trade him? Fine.
You quietly offer him up to one team and get an oft-injured player in return?

That's Nico bucking "convention wisdom" thinking he's the smartest guy in the room. Turns out he was the mark.

Mavs will have to move on, but anyone still defending this trade is doing so because they're dug in and they just look foolish.
yep. there's simply no justification. there's never a world where trading Luka for what we yielded will ever make sense (EVEN if Luka were to just magically break in half tomorrow). There's zero chance LA wouldn't have thrown in Reaves as well, along with more picks, Vanderbilt, etc. It's ****ing Luka. So, we just have to watch Reaves cook night after night with a very high bball IQ. I don't care about cap implications etc. for a greater yield. We'd have figured that out. We got a 1st 4 years out from now, broken body AD and Christie. Ironically, Christie might end up being the most valuable piece in the deal. What a ****ing joke.
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12:55p, 2/26/25
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Luka's game just isn't about explosiveness. He already plays an old man game and went 34/9/10 and to the Finals with it. And he's tough. That's why I wouldn't have been worried about it.
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In reply to Proposition Joe • 1:12p, 2/26/25
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Proposition Joe said:
Mavs will have to move on, but anyone still defending this trade is doing so because they're dug in and they just look foolish.
Explanations aren't necessarily defenses.

I have said multiple times I am anti-The Trade.
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1:20p, 2/26/25
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The guy has played 6 full NBA seasons. Even with all the complaints about his work ethic, he won ROTY in the first one and then was First Team All-NBA in each of the subsequent 5. Top 10 in MVP voting. #3 in MVP voting last season, in which he won the scoring title and took his team to the WCF for the 2nd time (winning MVP of the WCF) and then made a finals appearance. He turns 26 in two days, and he's 7th all time in triple-doubles. In the playoffs, the only players with comparable offensive stats through the same number of games are Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain, Elgin Baylor, and Magic Johnson.

Why am I bringing up his resume again? Because if the MFer is doing that on Bud Heavy and Czech Stop, who TF cares???



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1:28p, 2/26/25
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Luka doing pushups with Nico in the background lol.


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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 1:30p, 2/26/25
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That explains the 6/17 from the field and 6/8 from the line. That is truly one of the dumbest things you can do before a game.

He tried to prove a point then had a terrible shooting night because of it.
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In reply to shack009 • 1:33p, 2/26/25
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Tbh, looking at the full reel, it seemed like it was punishment for some sort of competition. And it was only like 5. And he did start off hot, shooting-wise. Had one ridiculous 3 taken away after replay determined he was OOB
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In reply to shack009 • 1:38p, 2/26/25
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shack009 said:
That explains the 6/17 from the field and 6/8 from the line. That is truly one of the dumbest things you can do before a game.

He tried to prove a point then had a terrible shooting night because of it.
yep, never play pickup after chest or shoulders at the gym....you won't make ****
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In reply to shack009 • 1:47p, 2/26/25
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Proposition Joe said:
Mavs will have to move on, but anyone still defending this trade is doing so because they're dug in and they just look foolish.
Explanations aren't necessarily defenses.

I have said multiple times I am anti-The Trade.

And the explanation is, Nico thought he was the smartest guy in the room and got taken for a ride.

That doesn't mean there's not aspects of the trade that could benefit both teams depending on how they play out - you can say the same for any trade.

But there's simply no angle where one can say "well maybe this was smart". As others have said, even if Luka crashes and burns, the Mavs still do not come out on top in this trade because the sheer idiocy of it is not only supported by Davis being on the shelf immediately, but also by not even attempting to extract more from the market.

Simply put, the explanation is Nico got taken to the cleaners.
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In reply to Proposition Joe • 2:01p, 2/26/25
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Proposition Joe said:
shack009 said:
Proposition Joe said:
Mavs will have to move on, but anyone still defending this trade is doing so because they're dug in and they just look foolish.
Explanations aren't necessarily defenses.

I have said multiple times I am anti-The Trade.

And the explanation is, Nico thought he was the smartest guy in the room and got taken for a ride.

That doesn't mean there's not aspects of the trade that could benefit both teams depending on how they play out - you can say the same for any trade.

But there's simply no angle where one can say "well maybe this was smart". As others have said, even if Luka crashes and burns, the Mavs still do not come out on top in this trade because the sheer idiocy of it is not only supported by Davis being on the shelf immediately, but also by not even attempting to extract more from the market.

Simply put, the explanation is Nico got taken to the cleaners.

correct. Also, if we look at this trade from a purely biz standpoint (put on our Jerry Jones hat), Nico and Co got absolutely FLEECED! Forbes had the Lakers as the 3rd most valuable NBA team, just behind the Knicks and somehow over $1B less than the Warriors. This trade probably put them at the top above GSW overnight.

https://www.forbes.com/teams/los-angeles-lakers/

Simply handing a blue blood team instant market cap and insane marketability....especially when said team is in your own conference and needs zero help in the marketing dept.....is ****ing insane. And, on the flip side....if you're Mavs ownership and NOT a blue blood and do need constant help with marketability....I just still can't get over it.
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2:02p, 2/26/25
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heard this question this morning, next Mav to have a triple-double?
I wanna see our defense pissed off, not confused, maybe a little murder in their hearts Reload12, 11/4/11
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In reply to EllisCoAg • 2:03p, 2/26/25
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EllisCoAg said:
heard this question this morning, next Mav to have a triple-double?


Could not care less and it could not be less important.
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In reply to EllisCoAg • 2:07p, 2/26/25
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EllisCoAg said:
heard this question this morning, next Mav to have a triple-double?
kyrie with 10 steals

jk....prob won't see one until 2035 or later

meanwhile, we'll just get to see Luka easily knock that record out in the next 4 seasons and then go on to hit some impossible career figure like 350 (russ at top with 202, Oscar R with 181)
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In reply to zgolfz85 • 2:42p, 2/26/25
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If Lively hits his ceiling, he will start putting up Draymond numbers. He'll be looking at a 12/11/11 stat lines. He's going to see a lot more of the ball.
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In reply to shack009 • 3:40p, 2/26/25
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shack009 said:
Because people like you refuse to believe it despite it being a well documented concern the entire time he was here?

It's not a justification after the fact, it's the entire reason for the trade and it was stated at the time.
It is overblown and it is a weird point to make when they traded for an older dude who has an actual injury history that isn't, "This guy likes beer, he is the next Joel Embiid!"

But they are clearly attempting to use it as a justification after the fact and trying to hammer it into the ground.

The people like me who believe it to be overblown are not going to change their minds because more anonymous Nico Harrison quotes keep getting cranked out every couple of days.
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 3:44p, 2/26/25
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Definitely worried about Kyrie. They are wearing his ass out
I think he is averaging close to 40 mpg since the trade.
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In reply to Proposition Joe • 9:55a, 2/27/25
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Proposition Joe said:
In some world the reports on Luka's habits could justify the trade.

But it still can't come close to justifying the return and the failure to get multiple offers.

Davis predictably getting injured again is just the rotten cherry on top.

You don't want to give him the supermax? Fine.
You want to trade him? Fine.
You quietly offer him up to one team and get an oft-injured player in return?

That's Nico bucking "conventional wisdom" thinking he's the smartest guy in the room. Turns out he was the mark.

Mavs will have to move on, but anyone still defending this trade is doing so because they're dug in and they just look foolish.
Kirk Goldsberry said it best:
Quote:
Trading Luka is one thing. Not getting back appropriate value is another.

"You would've been enjoying the fruits of this deal in the 2030's... Wrong determination on the why, but also poor execution on the how"


Trading Luka for below market value in and of itself is damning enough. You don't need anything else to happen.
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 9:58a, 2/27/25
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DannyDuberstein said:
Tbh, looking at the full reel, it seemed like it was punishment for some sort of competition. And it was only like 5. And he did start off hot, shooting-wise. Had one ridiculous 3 taken away after replay determined he was OOB
He does that routine before EVERY game (including his time with the Mavs). It's a halfcourt shot bet he does with the trainers. If he makes it, the trainers do pushups. If he misses, he does pushups. Anyone who has been to a Mavs game to see his pre game routine has seen this 1,000x.



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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 1:26p, 2/27/25
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DannyDuberstein said:
shack009 said:
Everything yall say has been said billions of times across platforms…
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Perhaps Nico's folks should stop leaking out info to run him down.
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In reply to LawHall88 • 1:45p, 2/27/25
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LawHall88 said:
DannyDuberstein said:
shack009 said:
Everything yall say has been said billions of times across platforms…
m
Perhaps Nico's folks should stop leaking out info to run him down.
Yeah, but fat slob Luka only averaged 29 points, 10 rebounds, and 8 assists in the playoffs while leading all players in the playoffs in scoring, rebounding, assists, and steals. On top of that, he got his team to the Finals and lost to the best team in the NBA. The Mavs simply had to get rid of him...his health habits directly led to those pathetic numbers and a team cannot rely on a guy averaging those numbers because they clearly demonstrate he is so out of shape. Two conference finals appearances and an NBA finals appearance in three years is embarrassing!
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2:30p, 2/27/25
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Nico would have traded dirk to the Lakers after losing the finals in 2006 for Lamar Odom, Luke Walton and a 2010 first
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3:42p, 2/27/25
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My thought is Nico wants to be in LA, and is just greasing the skids to do so. Eff him.
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In reply to AggieRob93 • 3:54p, 2/27/25
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AggieRob93 said:
My thought is Nico wants to be in LA, and is just greasing the skids to do so. Eff him.
Wouldn't surprise me if he wants to be GM of Seattle if they get an expansion team.
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4:13p, 2/27/25
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If he wanted to be the future GM in LA, he shouldn't have screwed the future of that franchise out of 9 figures and **** talked him on the way out.
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5:22p, 2/27/25
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I don't think he wants to be a GM anywhere in 3 years and did a great job of making sure that will happen. I do think he wants a bigger position in the shoe/Nike world
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In reply to shack009 • 5:55p, 2/27/25
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shack009 said:
If Lively hits his ceiling, he will start putting up Draymond numbers. He'll be looking at a 12/11/11 stat lines. He's going to see a lot more of the ball.
I hope he spends this next offseason adding something to his game. Not sure if that is shooting 3s, or stronger post moves.
He needs something
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7:52p, 2/27/25
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Will never convince me the NBA wasn't behind it all.
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9:53p, 2/27/25
Getting the must wins. Moses Brown with a great night. Good for that guy.
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10:01p, 2/27/25
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Moses brown goating
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In reply to JW • 2:11a, 2/28/25
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JW said:
Will never convince me the NBA wasn't behind it all.
There's definitely a chance some nefarious **** went down, whether its NBA or Nico.
Simplest answer is he is an egotistical dip*****,
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In reply to shack009 • 7:48a
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City Dumme said:
I'll be sure to keep track of Luka's +/- vs AD + 2029 pick over the next decade to judge the trade from a purely analytical standpoint so my comments are accepted by the very serious stat bros. Will bet literally any amount on the Luka side with anyone pretending trading Luka away wasn't the most massive **** up of all time
Please do. Whatever keeps you away from here.
By popular demand, its time for the first Mavs Mega-Fan +/- Trade Tracker

I'll track each player's cumulative +/- since the trade using stats from www.basketball-reference.com game logs. We'll use this to objectively judge how well this trade went. Looking forward to discussing this metric that only real basketball fans who understand the context of this very advanced metric can appreciate.

Lakers
Luka +37
Maxi 0
Markieff +5
Total +42

Mavs
AD +9
Max Christie +42
2029 1st 0
Total +51

The MAVERICKS got the best player in the deal and the MAVERICKS lead overall. This unbiased and impartial analysis proves that the MAVERICKS won this trade!

I hope you will all enjoy following along as we track this extremely important statistic together for years to come.
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In reply to City Dumme • 8:20a
City Dumme said:
shack009 said:
City Dumme said:
I'll be sure to keep track of Luka's +/- vs AD + 2029 pick over the next decade to judge the trade from a purely analytical standpoint so my comments are accepted by the very serious stat bros. Will bet literally any amount on the Luka side with anyone pretending trading Luka away wasn't the most massive **** up of all time
Please do. Whatever keeps you away from here.
By popular demand, its time for the first Mavs Mega-Fan +/- Trade Tracker

I'll track each player's cumulative +/- since the trade using stats from www.basketball-reference.com game logs. We'll use this to objectively judge how well this trade went. Looking forward to discussing this metric that only real basketball fans who understand the context of this very advanced metric can appreciate.

Lakers
Luka +37
Maxi 0
Markieff +5
Total +42

Mavs
AD +9
Max Christie +42
2029 1st 0
Total +51

The MAVERICKS got the best player in the deal and the MAVERICKS lead overall. This unbiased and impartial analysis proves that the MAVERICKS won this trade!

I hope you will all enjoy following along as we track this extremely important statistic together for years to come.
That is the wrong stat to look at.

Take the square root of Luka's "rim pressure rate" then multiply that times "number of IPAs per week" divided by pie (pecan) then you will see that Luka's calf will explode on April 16th, 2026. At which point Luka will be forced to join the Slovenian Special Olympics basketball team and the city of Dallas will then throw a ticker tape parade for Nico, the most brilliant shoe salesman this world has ever seen.
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In reply to Proposition Joe • 12:25p
Proposition Joe said:
shack009 said:
Proposition Joe said:
Mavs will have to move on, but anyone still defending this trade is doing so because they're dug in and they just look foolish.
Explanations aren't necessarily defenses.

I have said multiple times I am anti-The Trade.

And the explanation is, Nico thought he was the smartest guy in the room and got taken for a ride.

That doesn't mean there's not aspects of the trade that could benefit both teams depending on how they play out - you can say the same for any trade.

But there's simply no angle where one can say "well maybe this was smart". As others have said, even if Luka crashes and burns, the Mavs still do not come out on top in this trade because the sheer idiocy of it is not only supported by Davis being on the shelf immediately, but also by not even attempting to extract more from the market.

Simply put, the explanation is Nico got taken to the cleaners.



This trade is about as bad as you see in home fantasy leagues. Usually these types of trades get voted down.
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