***Official 2024 - 2025 Dallas Mavericks Season Thread***

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shack009 said:

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Guitarsoup said:

It is wild that people are trying to pretend that Luka's conditioning and weight aren't issues post trade, when everyone was complaining about it pre-trade.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32818403/dallas-mavericks-luka-doncic-admits-having-issue-weight-conditioning

Luka himself admitted it was an issue way back in 2021 when he showed up to training camp in the 260s for the second straight year.

Here is MCSwag talking about it last year: https://texags.com/forums/52/topics/3385161/replies/67467379




Look at the decline of Luka's attempts at the rim year by year. He's not getting to the basket like he did anymore and less than 1/10th of his shots were at the rim, while his sophomore year a quarter of his shots were.

It is ok to admit that Luka had major consistent, lingering problems and also that the Mavs shouldn't have traded him for that package. And we don't all know what was happening behind the scenes that hasn't been said for something this drastic to happen.


Luka Doncic is the kind of player who you keep and fire EVERYONE else before you resort to trading.

If he's the problem, you prove it by exhausting every other option first.
Everybody agrees with that. But there were cracks in the foundation and people are acting blind to that.

The trade was ******ed. It's also weird that people have completely forgotten that there were/are real questions.


It's not that they've forgotten, it's that unless someone is arguing that is a justification for trading him it's just meaningless cope. There is no other reason for bringing it up in this context.
People are acting like, and some have even stated, that Luka is guaranteed to win at least one championship in his career.

Pointing out reasons why that may not be the case, all of which are things we as fans of Luka and the Mavs have pointed out previously, is justified.

Of course it's copium, on some level. But it's not made up fairy tale nonsense either.


It would be shocking if he never won a title, full stop. The list of players of his caliber who go their entire career without winning a ring can be counted on one hand, and most of them are because they had the misfortune of playing in the same era as Jordan.


Kevin Durant was every bit the talent, franchise, and future that Luka is, and had he not had a once in a lifetime opportunity to leave and join a super team he likely never wins a title in his career.


That's a really long way of saying he won a title
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And there's a very good chance he would have won one if he stayed at okc. They should've beaten the warriors the year before he left.
Bunk Moreland
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Infection_Ag11 said:

Bunk Moreland said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

shack009 said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

shack009 said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

Guitarsoup said:

It is wild that people are trying to pretend that Luka's conditioning and weight aren't issues post trade, when everyone was complaining about it pre-trade.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32818403/dallas-mavericks-luka-doncic-admits-having-issue-weight-conditioning

Luka himself admitted it was an issue way back in 2021 when he showed up to training camp in the 260s for the second straight year.

Here is MCSwag talking about it last year: https://texags.com/forums/52/topics/3385161/replies/67467379




Look at the decline of Luka's attempts at the rim year by year. He's not getting to the basket like he did anymore and less than 1/10th of his shots were at the rim, while his sophomore year a quarter of his shots were.

It is ok to admit that Luka had major consistent, lingering problems and also that the Mavs shouldn't have traded him for that package. And we don't all know what was happening behind the scenes that hasn't been said for something this drastic to happen.


Luka Doncic is the kind of player who you keep and fire EVERYONE else before you resort to trading.

If he's the problem, you prove it by exhausting every other option first.
Everybody agrees with that. But there were cracks in the foundation and people are acting blind to that.

The trade was ******ed. It's also weird that people have completely forgotten that there were/are real questions.


It's not that they've forgotten, it's that unless someone is arguing that is a justification for trading him it's just meaningless cope. There is no other reason for bringing it up in this context.
People are acting like, and some have even stated, that Luka is guaranteed to win at least one championship in his career.

Pointing out reasons why that may not be the case, all of which are things we as fans of Luka and the Mavs have pointed out previously, is justified.

Of course it's copium, on some level. But it's not made up fairy tale nonsense either.


It would be shocking if he never won a title, full stop. The list of players of his caliber who go their entire career without winning a ring can be counted on one hand, and most of them are because they had the misfortune of playing in the same era as Jordan.


Kevin Durant was every bit the talent, franchise, and future that Luka is, and had he not had a once in a lifetime opportunity to leave and join a super team he likely never wins a title in his career.


That's a really long way of saying he won a title


Except it doesn't match what you are comparing. Maybe Mavs leadership thought a Luka led team couldn't win a title. A KD led team wasn't able to either. He had to find a stacked team to join.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10154211-nba-rumors-mark-cuban-urged-mavs-gm-not-to-trade-luka-doncic-before-lakers-deal
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AD is out Monday night. Nico continues to be vindicated…
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Infection_Ag11
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Bunk Moreland said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

Bunk Moreland said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

shack009 said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

shack009 said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

Guitarsoup said:

It is wild that people are trying to pretend that Luka's conditioning and weight aren't issues post trade, when everyone was complaining about it pre-trade.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32818403/dallas-mavericks-luka-doncic-admits-having-issue-weight-conditioning

Luka himself admitted it was an issue way back in 2021 when he showed up to training camp in the 260s for the second straight year.

Here is MCSwag talking about it last year: https://texags.com/forums/52/topics/3385161/replies/67467379




Look at the decline of Luka's attempts at the rim year by year. He's not getting to the basket like he did anymore and less than 1/10th of his shots were at the rim, while his sophomore year a quarter of his shots were.

It is ok to admit that Luka had major consistent, lingering problems and also that the Mavs shouldn't have traded him for that package. And we don't all know what was happening behind the scenes that hasn't been said for something this drastic to happen.


Luka Doncic is the kind of player who you keep and fire EVERYONE else before you resort to trading.

If he's the problem, you prove it by exhausting every other option first.
Everybody agrees with that. But there were cracks in the foundation and people are acting blind to that.

The trade was ******ed. It's also weird that people have completely forgotten that there were/are real questions.


It's not that they've forgotten, it's that unless someone is arguing that is a justification for trading him it's just meaningless cope. There is no other reason for bringing it up in this context.
People are acting like, and some have even stated, that Luka is guaranteed to win at least one championship in his career.

Pointing out reasons why that may not be the case, all of which are things we as fans of Luka and the Mavs have pointed out previously, is justified.

Of course it's copium, on some level. But it's not made up fairy tale nonsense either.


It would be shocking if he never won a title, full stop. The list of players of his caliber who go their entire career without winning a ring can be counted on one hand, and most of them are because they had the misfortune of playing in the same era as Jordan.


Kevin Durant was every bit the talent, franchise, and future that Luka is, and had he not had a once in a lifetime opportunity to leave and join a super team he likely never wins a title in his career.


That's a really long way of saying he won a title


Except it doesn't match what you are comparing. Maybe Mavs leadership thought a Luka led team couldn't win a title. A KD led team wasn't able to either. He had to find a stacked team to join.


Durant was by far the best player on the Warriors
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dave94 said:




This is great.
Bunk Moreland
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Infection_Ag11 said:

Bunk Moreland said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

Bunk Moreland said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

shack009 said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

shack009 said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

Guitarsoup said:

It is wild that people are trying to pretend that Luka's conditioning and weight aren't issues post trade, when everyone was complaining about it pre-trade.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32818403/dallas-mavericks-luka-doncic-admits-having-issue-weight-conditioning

Luka himself admitted it was an issue way back in 2021 when he showed up to training camp in the 260s for the second straight year.

Here is MCSwag talking about it last year: https://texags.com/forums/52/topics/3385161/replies/67467379




Look at the decline of Luka's attempts at the rim year by year. He's not getting to the basket like he did anymore and less than 1/10th of his shots were at the rim, while his sophomore year a quarter of his shots were.

It is ok to admit that Luka had major consistent, lingering problems and also that the Mavs shouldn't have traded him for that package. And we don't all know what was happening behind the scenes that hasn't been said for something this drastic to happen.


Luka Doncic is the kind of player who you keep and fire EVERYONE else before you resort to trading.

If he's the problem, you prove it by exhausting every other option first.
Everybody agrees with that. But there were cracks in the foundation and people are acting blind to that.

The trade was ******ed. It's also weird that people have completely forgotten that there were/are real questions.


It's not that they've forgotten, it's that unless someone is arguing that is a justification for trading him it's just meaningless cope. There is no other reason for bringing it up in this context.
People are acting like, and some have even stated, that Luka is guaranteed to win at least one championship in his career.

Pointing out reasons why that may not be the case, all of which are things we as fans of Luka and the Mavs have pointed out previously, is justified.

Of course it's copium, on some level. But it's not made up fairy tale nonsense either.


It would be shocking if he never won a title, full stop. The list of players of his caliber who go their entire career without winning a ring can be counted on one hand, and most of them are because they had the misfortune of playing in the same era as Jordan.


Kevin Durant was every bit the talent, franchise, and future that Luka is, and had he not had a once in a lifetime opportunity to leave and join a super team he likely never wins a title in his career.


That's a really long way of saying he won a title


Except it doesn't match what you are comparing. Maybe Mavs leadership thought a Luka led team couldn't win a title. A KD led team wasn't able to either. He had to find a stacked team to join.


Durant was by far the best player on the Warriors


The Warriors were already a championship team without him.
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Rumors swirling that Kansas City is exploring options to trade Mahomes for Matthew Stafford due to concerns over his recent play. Rumored package to include Cooper Kupp and a 2027 3rd round pick.
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Hopefully the Mavs can trade for Zion this summer.
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Just think how much AD would have been injured in his career if he didn't have the combined work ethic of MJ, Kobe, and Bird.
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LawHall88 said:




Hate it for Davis…unfortunately, none of us can say we're surprised.
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F* ck Nico
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Zachary Klement said:

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Hate it for Davis…unfortunately, none of us can say we're surprised.


Corey freaking Kluber.
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Trucker 96
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Truly unbelievable "logic" behind this trade. Sickening.

But we can get another lecture from Fat Brian Regan about how to run a successful business. Perhaps he can discuss concepts like a historically unreliable staff who hasn't shown up for work all that consistently for 7-8 years. What does that do for success?
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94chem said:

Zachary Klement said:

LawHall88 said:




Hate it for Davis…unfortunately, none of us can say we're surprised.


Corey freaking Kluber.


They've basically traded 25 year old Corey Seager for Corey Kluber.
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Hate this for AD and the players, but Nico and Dumont deserve every bit of this.

Solidifying the worst trade in franchise history
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Trucker 96
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Oh, and they still owe this Corey Kluber $175 million dollars btw
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rsf0626 said:

Hate this for AD and the players, but Nico and Dumont deserve every bit of this.

Solidifying the worst trade in franchise history
10000x this. I hope they take a bath on this. Cuban has started leaking to Bleacher Report and that won't be the last one. What a terrible situation for all the fans and players.
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Kluber at least made sense from from a risk/reward standpoint.
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Guitarsoup said:


I like how they continue to double down on this and continuously bring it up when Luka hasn't come out and said anything.
Trucker 96
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Yeah, it's pretty idiotic to try to justify this. You pretty much gotta go with - "we made a move that we think will give our team a better chance at a title in the next few years, but I completely understand those who may disagree with the move. It was a hard decision and it's a big risk, but it's what we considered our best chance." Then you spend some time empathizing and acknowledging the fans you've absolutely wrecked.

But going down this path of passive-aggressively running Luka down to justify it is as tone deaf and moronic as the trade itself

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bball gods wasted no time
Trucker 96
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JW said:

bball gods wasted no time


With AD's history, there was little doubt they would. It was the same immediate flaw in the logic of "let's pay this older guy who misses a lot of time $60 million per year because we are afraid to pay our younger guy who has consistently missed less time $70 million per year because we are afraid he's going to miss time"
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I'd also call out there are 2 forms of dedication. One is keeping yourself in better condition which Luka could definitely improve at, but again, he's 25. That improvement can actually happen.

The second form of dedication is the guy who will play through injury and deliver anyway. The guy who will lace them up, gut it out, and win. That was Luka. That was the 2024 Finals run. Davis has always seemed the opposite there; he has always seemed to be the "I gotta be right" cautious sort. And across 82 games and 4 playoff series, guys are gonna get hurt regardless of how well they condition themselves. You need guys that will keep playing.
 
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