Do we know what a half starts?

Are you ****ing kidding me?

Simply unbelievable!

This is stupid

0-2
2-2
2-4
4-4

What horrible goalkeeping.

Need every point we can get

Woo hoo! Up from 19th to 18th in the blink of an eye!

Ok, well one point better than none. I don't have listening to the Neville's in me, good luck to anyone who does.

Surely we make a change… even if this isn't really Carrick's fault.

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Ok, well one point better than none. I don't have listening to the Neville's in me, good luck to anyone who does.

Surely we make a change… even if this isn't really Carrick's fault.

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Is the new manager going to have Dalot as his only option at defender? If so, then we are still going to leak like a sieve.

The guys on the post show are at least being honest about the club leadership above Carrick being failures.

I missed the game so all I have to say is what the hell happened?

What happened? Dalot, Maguire, Yoro, Mazraoui and Lammens happened.

The whole thing was a fever dream.

To the surprise of no one on this thread, Man United "leadership" is unsure what to do about Carrick and the managerial job following yesterday's 4-4 (thriller?).

Furlock Bones said:

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To the surprise of no one on this thread, Man United "leadership" is unsure what to do about Carrick and the managerial job following yesterday's 4-4 (thriller?).

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I will say this for Carrick, the players could have quit on him, but they haven't. They have had ample opportunity to just throw in the towel, but they keep playing for him.

And like I said earlier, if the new manager has to rely on our current defense then I don't know what difference it will make. You can't manage Dalot into having speed and spatial awareness.

Aston94 said:

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Furlock Bones said:

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To the surprise of no one on this thread, Man United "leadership" is unsure what to do about Carrick and the managerial job following yesterday's 4-4 (thriller?).

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I will say this for Carrick, the players could have quit on him, but they haven't. They have had ample opportunity to just throw in the towel, but they keep playing for him.

And like I said earlier, if the new manager has to rely on our current defense then I don't know what difference it will make. You can't manage Dalot into having speed and spatial awareness.

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agreed for the most part.

the only thing i'll say is that this team seems to have the attitude that giving up goals is inevitable. are they good at defense? no. do they have serious liabilities in def? yes. but, they just don't seem to have a lot of fight in them. that's the annoying part. i feel like there are some more defensive minded managers that improve on the leagues worst defense.

but, i will add. one of United's biggest problems is that they have no identifiable system. so, they keep hiring different managers that have different philosophies. whereas someone like Brighton knows what they do and they target guys that run the same sort of system as the prior manager.


I think Chelsea is currently suffering the same thing. Jose brought the defensive mindset to Chelsea that made them winners. that carried through several managers. the fans at Chelsea were just fine with watching less than beautiful football because they knew in the end they had a chance at winning.

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Furlock Bones said:

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To the surprise of no one on this thread, Man United "leadership" is unsure what to do about Carrick and the managerial job following yesterday's 4-4 (thriller?).

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I will say this for Carrick, the players could have quit on him, but they haven't. They have had ample opportunity to just throw in the towel, but they keep playing for him.

And like I said earlier, if the new manager has to rely on our current defense then I don't know what difference it will make. You can't manage Dalot into having speed and spatial awareness.

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It's more than Dalot. Yoro is not a CB. Maguire is, but he so slow. Heaven is so green. Martinez is just…I don't know what he is besides an Argentinian hot head. That whole back line is just so badly designed.

DeLigt keeps getting put on the bench but isn't playing. If he's not healthy why are we wasting a roster spot? If he is healthy play him.

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Aston94 said:

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Furlock Bones said:

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To the surprise of no one on this thread, Man United "leadership" is unsure what to do about Carrick and the managerial job following yesterday's 4-4 (thriller?).

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I will say this for Carrick, the players could have quit on him, but they haven't. They have had ample opportunity to just throw in the towel, but they keep playing for him.

And like I said earlier, if the new manager has to rely on our current defense then I don't know what difference it will make. You can't manage Dalot into having speed and spatial awareness.

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It's more than Dalot. Yoro is not a CB. Maguire is, but he so slow. Heaven is so green. Martinez is just…I don't know what he is besides an Argentinian hot head. That whole back line is just so badly designed.

DeLigt keeps getting put on the bench but isn't playing. If he's not healthy why are we wasting a roster spot? If he is healthy play him.

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All true, which is why I said defense. I just used Dalot as an example, albeit he is the most prime example currently.

What is Yoro if not a CB? I know he's been playing RB a lot lately but that's more a function of the club's short sighted transfer policy at fullback than anything else.

Yoro and Heaven are being thrown into roles that a serious team with a serious roster building methodology wouldn't throw them into. They should be squad players that you target for 1000 minutes this season (across all comps) in their primary position unless those 1000 minutes are good enough that they prove worthy of more. Instead, they are going to be forced into way more than that because of number of reasons but mostly because the club didn't build enough talent at the position to shield them from minutes they weren't ready for.

He may have the body type of a CB but he's doesn't know how to play CB. He's certainly not a an outside back.

I mean he's 20 so he's raw but as you say, he's not a full back. The fact he has played the majority of his games there is an indictment of the club and the staff. He's either a CB or he's not a professional footballer. I hope it's the former.

Word coming down that Carrick is out.

Poch is odds on favorite to replace him.

I would be Ok with Poch. I think that, in retrospect, we probably should have hired him rather than ETH. He took Spurs further than just about anyone else, and until Team USA ran into the good teams this summer, we were actually looking decent.

I'll take him over Eddie Howe, for sure; those Newcastle teams relied on their physicality and athleticism, so he wouldn't be able to do what he did there. And two out of his five years were not good. I just really worry he's the latest example of English manager hopium (if he were from the continent, I don't think the English press would treat him as softly as they have; just my opinion).

So we are too poor to pay for Howe but somehow can pay for Poch.

Okey dokey.

Of course I am all for sticking it to USSF at the start of an international break. Or any other time for that matter.

Supposedly Poch has a release clause for certain jobs.

I would assume he'd finish out whatever is scheduled this break. Twitter is saying the release clause is 7M, so about the same as Howe's rumored cost.

Edit: did a search; some reports say Howe would cost 3M in compensation to Newcastle and others 6M; high end is pretty much the same, low end is a more significant difference.

No way he accepts this, right? I mean ManU is a mess.

This whole episode feels like the managerial equivalent of United's transfer policy in 2022. Bad start to the season. All the decision makers panicked and didn't know what to. So they paid 85m for Antony.

Feels like we're about to do the managerial equivalent of paying 85m for Antony.

This is what I keep saying as well. There is no plan whatsoever. Every manager that comes in is setup to fail.

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This is what I keep saying as well. There is no plan whatsoever. Every manager that comes in is setup to fail.

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I'll do it. Get a 3 year contract. Manage for 8 months. Get sacked. Sit back for 2 years and 4 months drawing a salary for sleeping in late and watching the next guy be just as unsuccessful as you.

Mathguy64 said:

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Furlock Bones said:

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This is what I keep saying as well. There is no plan whatsoever. Every manager that comes in is setup to fail.

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I'll do it. Get a 3 year contract. Manage for 8 months. Get sacked. Sit back for 2 years and 4 months drawing a salary for sleeping in late and watching the next guy be just as unsuccessful as you.

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If we get relegated far enough, we might actually when a league title again.

Not a United follower but given the carousel of managers recently, there are bigger issues than just the manager. Whoever is responsible for the transfers policy should also get the axe because the whole squad doesn't seem to make sense as a collective.