The difference between CG and the other areas mentioned for walkability is stark. The amount of kids walking to CSHS from CG is low in comparison to kids from north and Reatta. All it takes is for you to sit outside in the AM or after school and count how many kids walk/bike across Fitch, it ain't many.

Castlegate I & II to Consol solves a lot of problems .

Nevermind.

I'm not going to get into a discussion with someone that posted a hashtag statement talking about how one part of town "ruled".

I understand you, Stupe, I was pointing out out PC and CG as similar in size but noted that proximity (meaning CG is really close to CSHS therefore why would you do that unless you had a good reason) was an issue. As you pointed out it would require transportation wherein if one chose, they could walk or ride their bicycle across Fitch. I brought it up to say, 'hey let's talk about it.' After all, there are folks that bring up SES and I usually have something to say about that. If you draw circles of walkability around the two schools, then that pretty much leaves those outlying subdivisions, correct?
Folks are getting heated again, this is still ongoing, they haven't got it sorted out. Some people may be unhappy about that, but I'd rather the Board didn't act too hastily.

I am going to email the board and ask why Castlegate/Castlegate adjacent (including Sweetwater, Woodlake, etc on Greens Prairie) are being skipped over to pull from neighborhoods that are less dense and further South. It seems that it would be easy for those areas to take Greens Prairie to Wellborn to reach Consol, or they have easy access to Fitch/Hwy 6. The elementary/intermediate/middle could still feed into the schools nearby, since the ISD has given up on trying to maintain kids on a "track" K-12. The idea of driving all over South College Station to pick up 8 kids here, and 6 kids there from outlying neighborhoods gives me hives from an efficiency standpoint, and it would seem to be better for the kids if a large group from one neighborhood stayed together rather than random single digit groups from different areas. Go ahead and move that large dense group to Consol, take it all the way to capacity and leave CSHS underutilized so it can fill up as the new neighborhoods come online. I wish someone would explain to me why I am wrong, or at least why Castlegate, etc have never been considered for the move.

I drive through the Victoria intersection and very few kids seem to utilize the ability to walk or ride bikes (can't blame them, that intersection at Victoria is crazy even with the signal). That means the district is willing to forgo possible cost savings, add additional bus time for other students (because no matter what someone's transportation times are increasing and the increase for those in the rural areas would be greater), and face rezoning sooner (rather than maxing out Consol in one large move) just for the few HS students in CG who do not take a vehicle to school? And again, it seems that the CG/CG adjacent kids would be happy and successful as long as they were moved as a large group.

The new growth I was referring to is the higher density developments (some East of 6, some West) that can be predicted to have a large number of students. Zone the large groups to establish your goal of what you want your student body to look like (since that seems to be the driving factor), and zone the rural/acreage communities (small numbers of students that won't influence demographics) by either proximity or most efficient bussing pattern.

I totally agree that Shenandoah should remain at CSHS. It does seem that a number of Shenandoah kids do not drive to school. Castlegate seems to have kids who get in a vehicle to get to school anyway. I just want to see the metrics on this from a transportation viewpoint.

I do think that kids moved enmasse from the same large neighborhood would fare better being "moved" than picking up disparate groups from smaller rural neighborhoods. Love your neighborhood or hate it, group identity is a thing.

I honestly hope the board will table this in order to take a deeper look at their options. I very much appreciate their attempt to keep it so the two HS are viewed as equally outstanding, and I certainly don't know the perfect solution.

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I honestly hope the board will table this in order to take a deeper look at their options. I very much appreciate their attempt to keep it so the two HS are viewed as equally outstanding, and I certainly don't know the perfect solution.

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If they table it then they need to be preparing a bond for expanding CSHS today. Rezoning kids delays that bond for 2 years. Sucks, but it makes sense to rezone kids when there is capacity between both high schools, rather than expanding one school when the other is around 85% capacity.

Also sucks that my eighth grader is affected. We just want to know which way the rezoning is going so we know which high school we need to be enrolling in THIS fall. We aren't going to enroll as a freshman in one high school only to have to go to the other from grades 10th-12th. Many high school activities have already had try-outs and more are coming up. First world problems, I know.

According to their presentation, there are around 400+ students in CGI/CGII/Brewster. So, for example, if about 10% of those students have been walking, that would be about 40 and while it is anecdotal, I just haven't observed that many from that area compared to the near east and north, which does have a greater amount of students on foot and bike. So unless all the parents go home and say, 'pump up your tires on the bike, you're riding for the rest of the year so we can stay here,' I don't see it fluctuating enough to warrant ruling out this neighborhood as a consideration. Is walkability preferable enough to overide the ability to add ~400 students as a group? Not my call, just think it should be tossed into the ring for now.

CSISD is not trying to fix populations, or help any children. Here are two school district maps.These are the first two that came to mind since One I went to, and the other is connected to cs.:


https://1.cdn.edl.io/1d9dsbDtXplIRHWwXBykpuEnTEvkrX1i5s26TaScXhioP4ur.pdf

https://www.killeenisd.org/departmentDocs/c704/documents/201718HSZonesMap1117.pdf

How on earth did these districts ever make it without trying to draw from high income neighborhoods and bussing "SES" students all over the universe?!

Now, Take a look at the csisd maps, what a joke. Looks like an abstract painting! Do not let csisd make you think they are doing these things for student population or for the kids. Its to cook the books at consol! I don't want my child going to school in a district that punishes those that live in more expensive areas, and breaks up communities. I do not plan on raising my child on participation trophies or to be socialist. Take a look at the new charter school, they are supposed to bring a high school in as well. This won't help those that have kids in middle school, but those with elementary aged students can have some continuity. This votes with your dollars and sends it someone interested in your childs education.

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CSISD is not trying to fix populations, or help any children. Here are two school district maps.These are the first two that came to mind since One I went to, and the other is connected to cs.:


https://1.cdn.edl.io/1d9dsbDtXplIRHWwXBykpuEnTEvkrX1i5s26TaScXhioP4ur.pdf

https://www.killeenisd.org/departmentDocs/c704/documents/201718HSZonesMap1117.pdf

How on earth did these districts ever make it without trying to draw from high income neighborhoods and bussing "SES" students all over the universe?!

Now, Take a look at the csisd maps, what a joke. Looks like an abstract painting! Do not let csisd make you think they are doing these things for student population or for the kids. Its to cook the books at consol! I don't want my child going to school in a district that punishes those that live in more expensive areas, and breaks up communities. I do not plan on raising my child on participation trophies or to be socialist. Take a look at the new charter school, they are supposed to bring a high school in as well. This won't help those that have kids in middle school, but those with elementary aged students can have some continuity. This votes with your dollars and sends it someone interested in your childs education.

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You keep stating that you or others are being punished and intentionally punished due to the amount you paid for your house. That is a serious accusation that I would appreciate you backing up. Otherwise you have already stated this stance multiple times and don't need to keep doing so.

I don't think it's irrational for people that bought into certain neighborhoods because of the schools to feel they're being punished. That's how a lot of people feel. The proof is the fact that they are cherry picking the top neighborhoods instead of just evening out the numbers and doing what makes sense when you look at a map. The powers that be are making it feel more like it's about leveling out the demographic side rather than the over poplutation problem or their would already be a solution. I like those maps MTTANK!

MTTANK said:

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CSISD is not trying to fix populations, or help any children. Here are two school district maps.These are the first two that came to mind since One I went to, and the other is connected to cs.:


https://1.cdn.edl.io/1d9dsbDtXplIRHWwXBykpuEnTEvkrX1i5s26TaScXhioP4ur.pdf

https://www.killeenisd.org/departmentDocs/c704/documents/201718HSZonesMap1117.pdf

How on earth did these districts ever make it without trying to draw from high income neighborhoods and bussing "SES" students all over the universe?!

Now, Take a look at the csisd maps, what a joke. Looks like an abstract painting! Do not let csisd make you think they are doing these things for student population or for the kids. Its to cook the books at consol! I don't want my child going to school in a district that punishes those that live in more expensive areas, and breaks up communities. I do not plan on raising my child on participation trophies or to be socialist. Take a look at the new charter school, they are supposed to bring a high school in as well. This won't help those that have kids in middle school, but those with elementary aged students can have some continuity. This votes with your dollars and sends it someone interested in your childs education.

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You are comparing Killeen ISD and CSISD??
and what makes the "other school" so bad in your eyes? I am curious

The ISD has been successful in their goal. Everybody fighting amongst ourselves so no coordinated effort can be mounted against the overall problem and agenda. Everybody is busy pointing at their neighbor saying "no, take them". What we should be doing is figuring out how to get people seated that will represent the interest of the residents in south CS (no cross town zoning for anyone). This will only get worse with growth and time. Something needs to be done and sooner rather than later. I nominate Stupe or MTTANK! I'd volunteer to contribute resources for anyone willing to take on the task.

Here is Conroe/ Woodlands. Looks like one small very minor cutout. What are all these other districts doing different that doesn't force this craziness on their residents?

http://www.conroeisd.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/18-19-District-Map2-legal.pdf

Yeah, I agree with you; not sure Killeen ISD and CSISD are similar enough just yet. Killeen draws from 4 places: Killeen, Harker Heights, Fort Hood and Nolanville and has 44,000 students to CSISD's ~13,000. On another note, Killeen had 2 commended scholars and 0 National Merit Semifinalists/ Finalists in 2017 while CSISD had 13 semifinalists alone and 27 commended. One could argue that the community has a lot of bright professors' children, but if you know some of those students, they come from a variety of backgrounds. I like to think the District had a part in their success.

Did you know that the District is one of the fastest growing in the state of Texas? It is, and most of your tax dollars don't even stay here in town. They go to Austin.

But you were talking about high dollar homes, and social engineering and being punished. If you truly believe this, then I feel bad, it is not what the District that I have worked with on behalf of students is about. You might be surprised to learn that some of the District's biggest donors don't necessarily live in large houses; so when throwing rocks, be careful you don't break a window.


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