El Chupacabra said:

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What is this date exactly: "the date the final rule is published in the Federal Register"

Has that date happened yet?

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El Chupacabra said:

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Trust faqs.

Question 12

https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/docs/undefined/faqfinalrule2021r-08f-correctedpdf/download


Page 16 question 27

https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/docs/undefined/eformone-externalguidancewithqapdf/download



My question, what constitutes ownership or possession in a trust? Is that simply adding it to an amendment and notarizing?

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SMM48 said:

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Somewhat. It's just the lower. They have zero clue what the upper is.

But i get what you're saying.

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Guitarsoup said:

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BrazosDog02 said:

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SMM48 said:

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Somewhat. It's just the lower. They have zero clue what the upper is.

But i get what you're saying.

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But also, to be clear, and I think we discussed this before, that information is not easily accessible by the atf right? Alls that is supposed to magically disappear OR atf have to locate the dealer and hope they still have the paper copies after the atf finally get their disorganized **** together?

I have zero understanding of why an SBR or braced pistol even exists or is appealing but that's not my business and it doesn't matter. The whole thing chaps my ass and I'm firmly in the F you camp.

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Go shoot a CZ Scorpion and get back to me.

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SMM48 said:

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Believe the free one applies to individual only. Not trust.

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Under the final rule, the Attorney General has authorized a tax forbearance that allows current possessors of firearms equipped with a "stabilizing brace" that meet the definition of "rifle" and have a barrel or barrels less than 16 inches to register the firearms tax-free. A current possessor is a person who possessed the firearm with an attached "stabilizing brace" prior to the date the final rule is published in the Federal Register.

Accordingly, any trust that seeks to register a firearm with an attached "stabilizing brace" that is a short-barreled rifle pursuant to Final Rule 2021R-08F must include with the eForm 1 application evidence that establishes the trust possessed the firearm prior to the date the final rule is published in the Federal Register. This evidence will generally include the signed, dated, and notarized terms of the trust or trust schedules that list or provide a description of the property held in trust. For trust applicants, ATF will perform a thorough review of the trust documents provided with the eForm 1 application to ensure the firearm sought to be registered to the trust was property possessed by the trust prior to the date the final rule is published in the Federal Register. Therefore, an eForm 1 application to register a firearm equipped with a "stabilizing brace" to a trust will be disapproved if the applicant fails to demonstrate the trust possessed the firearm prior to the date the final rule is published Federal Register.

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A firearm that is not marked, such as a privately made firearm (PMF), must be marked in accordance with the maker marking requirements under 27 CFR 479.102(a) before submission of the eForm1. However, if the firearm is already marked, the person registering the firearm pursuant to Final Rule 2021R-08F may adopt all of the original manufacturer or importer markings when registering the firearm, to include the name, city, and state of the original manufacturer or importer as identified on the frame or receiver of the firearm.

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Please note that this is the text of the final rule as signed by the Attorney General, but the official version of the final rule will be as it is published in the Federal Register. The rule will go into effect once it is published in the Federal Register.

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javajaws said:

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SMM48 said:

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Believe the free one applies to individual only. Not trust.

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Also, they seem to have clarified the "does my SBR need to be engraved" question:

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A firearm that is not marked, such as a privately made firearm (PMF), must be marked in accordance with the maker marking requirements under 27 CFR 479.102(a) before submission of the eForm1. However, if the firearm is already marked, the person registering the firearm pursuant to Final Rule 2021R-08F may adopt all of the original manufacturer or importer markings when registering the firearm, to include the name, city, and state of the original manufacturer or importer as identified on the frame or receiver of the firearm.

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javajaws said:

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SMM48 said:

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Believe the free one applies to individual only. Not trust.

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From https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/docs/undefined/eformone-externalguidancewithqapdf/download

From question 27:

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Under the final rule, the Attorney General has authorized a tax forbearance that allows current possessors of firearms equipped with a "stabilizing brace" that meet the definition of "rifle" and have a barrel or barrels less than 16 inches to register the firearms tax-free. A current possessor is a person who possessed the firearm with an attached "stabilizing brace" prior to the date the final rule is published in the Federal Register.

Accordingly, any trust that seeks to register a firearm with an attached "stabilizing brace" that is a short-barreled rifle pursuant to Final Rule 2021R-08F must include with the eForm 1 application evidence that establishes the trust possessed the firearm prior to the date the final rule is published in the Federal Register. This evidence will generally include the signed, dated, and notarized terms of the trust or trust schedules that list or provide a description of the property held in trust. For trust applicants, ATF will perform a thorough review of the trust documents provided with the eForm 1 application to ensure the firearm sought to be registered to the trust was property possessed by the trust prior to the date the final rule is published in the Federal Register. Therefore, an eForm 1 application to register a firearm equipped with a "stabilizing brace" to a trust will be disapproved if the applicant fails to demonstrate the trust possessed the firearm prior to the date the final rule is published Federal Register.

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Also, they seem to have clarified the "does my SBR need to be engraved" question:

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A firearm that is not marked, such as a privately made firearm (PMF), must be marked in accordance with the maker marking requirements under 27 CFR 479.102(a) before submission of the eForm1. However, if the firearm is already marked, the person registering the firearm pursuant to Final Rule 2021R-08F may adopt all of the original manufacturer or importer markings when registering the firearm, to include the name, city, and state of the original manufacturer or importer as identified on the frame or receiver of the firearm.

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I don't know about you'll - but I'm gonna go find a notary and add all my braced guns into my trust today just in case the real publish date is later this week and not last week (it seems it is signed and submitted but not yet officially published). No harm, no foul if some legal action puts this to a halt in the next couple months, but if not...


From the Jan 13th announcement:

https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/factoring-criteria-firearms-attached-stabilizing-braces

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Please note that this is the text of the final rule as signed by the Attorney General, but the official version of the final rule will be as it is published in the Federal Register. The rule will go into effect once it is published in the Federal Register.

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BenderRodriguez said:

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ATF says 10 to 40 million braced illegal unregistered sbrs in the wild in the last decade.

Crime rate with rifles is unchanged, despite millions of super scary short unregistered guns floating around for 10+ years.

Wants to put you in jail for owning something they said was okay for a decade, now that they have changed their minds…even though crime hasnt changed.

Why the hell do we tolerate this?

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El Chupacabra said:

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javajaws said:

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I just started the process to do the free Form 1. When I clicked 'register as trust' a warning box popped up and said the trust had to show it owned the firearm prior to January 13th. So for trust purposes, it had to be signed and notarized into the trust in January 12 or earlier.

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