tandy miller said:
Look at item iv. That's how I read it, though I admittedly may be wrong
Proc92 said:
Seems like a good place for the House of Representatives to look at defunding an agency.
Captain Charles Vane said:
I get that but so many people have Form 1/Form4 items already. I mean to say that that horse was out of the barn long ago. I mean I respect any individuals desire for staying off a list but NFA forms are pretty germane in regards to most gun owners. How many legal SBR and suppressor owners are there? Something I need to fully weigh out for sure
It doesn't appear to be effective yet. Probably sometime next week.Quote:
ACTION: Final rule.
SUMMARY: The Department of Justice ("Department" or "DOJ") is amending the regulations of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives ("ATF") to clarify when a rifle is designed, made, and intended to be fired from the shoulder. Specifically, under the Gun Control Act of 1968 ("GCA") and the National Firearms Act of 1934 ("NFA") the definition of "rifle" shall include a weapon that is equipped with an accessory, component, or other rearward attachment (e.g., a "stabilizing brace") that provides surface areathat allows the weapon to be fired from the shoulder, provided other factors, as described in this preamble and in the amended regulations, indicate that the weapon is designed, made, and intended to be fired from the shoulder.
DATES: Effective date: This rule is effective [INSERT DATE OF PUBLICATION IN THE FEDERAL REGISTER].
The lawsuits will be swift, so you can expect a stay of this rule.jrb2019 said:
I have a real problem forcing people to register firearms formerly believed to be perfectly legal and outside the purview of the NFA. No question, people went the brace route to avoid the tax, not have a firearm on the NFRTR and have the flexibility to transport across state lines without asking for permission. To now force people to add them to the NFRTR (if they want to keep them in their current configuration) and play the NFA game is ridiculous at best.
Also, outside of actual machine guns, what is the market for used SBRs? There is no used suppressor market, because why go through the painful process for used when I have to do the same for new. The value of braced pistols just dropped like a rock, especially higher ended ones.
The ATF opened this box up over 10 years ago and the only people affected by the rule are good, law abiding citizens. Braced pistols are clearly "in common use" today and public safety has not suffered (they highlighted 2 mass shooters using braced weapons). This is going to take years to play out and waste millions of dollars in courts.
BrazosDog02 said:
Can someone explain how the ATF, as a non legislative body, that self explains their purpose is to enforce gun laws and promote lawful ownership, can generate "rules" which then can be enforced? Never mind the fact that in the documentation I see it literally says summarized "your pistol that was a pistol with a brace is now a short barreled rifle if the pistol has a brace" is an arbitrary definition…
How is any of this enforceable? How does this ever come to pass? How does a body pencil whip a rule at whim that is magically enforceable by..whomever enforces it???
tandy miller said:
You can still order a braced pistol on palmetto. I wonder how that works if you order now but it does t co
E in till after this becomes official?
javajaws said:
Any more news on whether or not the free $200 stamp will only be for individuals and not Trusts? That's probably my biggest concern right now. I've got quite a few braced pistols and if I have to SBR them I want them on my trust, not me directly.
