Yep, agreed. You can with Dak, but he's not carrying a bad team to playoff success. Same as Romo.jtstanley4621 said:Tksymm7 said:
I think it's pretty clear from everyone that it seems like we don't have a "winner" at QB currently, and haven't had a "winner" at QB since Troy Aikman. So how do we get a guy who can win the massive games like yesterday?
Aikman was surrounded by an absolute embarrassment of riches due to there being no salary cap. You can win games with Dak. Maybe just…. Don't lose your key offensive weapon and have more than 1 good WR? Maybe have a backup RB that's not an overpaid short yardage powerback at 27 years old?
The defense played very well early but started to give up 7-8 yard carries with regularity late in that game. That is the reason the Cowboys lost. They never truly made Purdy consistently get off schedule.
A shiny new QB isn't fixing what's wrong with the roster as much as people would like to think. It always has and always will be about playing complimentary football.
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That's fair, and especially true for the regular season. But, there is hard and true evidence that when Dak needs to make a play to keep a drive going, or to win a game in the playoffs, that he cannot do that, and even with wealth of riches he still would have to find a way to make a play with his legs or his arm. It is still on Dak to get those guys the ball. Even Purdy last night when he had to have a play or a throw was able to but balls on his guys, as evidenced by his throw to Jennings when it was 3rd down and they needed to get a first down to all but put the Cowboys away. He also hit Aiyuk for what felt like multiple killer 3rd down conversions.
I understand that Dak will be the guy next year, but what do the Cowboys need to do take the next step at QB.
I understand that Dak will be the guy next year, but what do the Cowboys need to do take the next step at QB.
is the common theme that you need an awesome QB to win it all? or an absolutely insane defense with good enough offense?
Nick Foles/Philly kinda broke that but I'm still in the boat that New England was great with Brady but they had every built-in advantage you could have... an absolutely TERRIBLE division that basically guaranteed 6 wins a year. Consistent first round bye (when 2 teams got it) and home field advantage - getting to play in the NE in January is a big advantage when teams not named Buffalo, Cincy, Pitt, or Baltimore come to town.
Other than that... it's few a far between when teams with average QBs get this far. And the ones that do have absolutely lethal units around them. Cowboys D was good but I would take Cincy, Philly, or San Fran's over it any day.
Skill positions? the remaining 4 blows ours away, WITH Pollard.
KC: Kelce (best TE maybe ever?), Toney, JuJu, Pacheko oh and add Andy Reid mag scientist on top of that with Mahome
Philly: AJ Brown, Goeddert and Smith
SF: Kittle, Deebo, CMC, Aiyuk,
Cincy: Hurst, Boyd, Higgins, Chase.
Yeah, Dallas's roster in key positions can't hold a candle to those remaining teams - not entirely on Dak.
Nick Foles/Philly kinda broke that but I'm still in the boat that New England was great with Brady but they had every built-in advantage you could have... an absolutely TERRIBLE division that basically guaranteed 6 wins a year. Consistent first round bye (when 2 teams got it) and home field advantage - getting to play in the NE in January is a big advantage when teams not named Buffalo, Cincy, Pitt, or Baltimore come to town.
Other than that... it's few a far between when teams with average QBs get this far. And the ones that do have absolutely lethal units around them. Cowboys D was good but I would take Cincy, Philly, or San Fran's over it any day.
Skill positions? the remaining 4 blows ours away, WITH Pollard.
KC: Kelce (best TE maybe ever?), Toney, JuJu, Pacheko oh and add Andy Reid mag scientist on top of that with Mahome
Philly: AJ Brown, Goeddert and Smith
SF: Kittle, Deebo, CMC, Aiyuk,
Cincy: Hurst, Boyd, Higgins, Chase.
Yeah, Dallas's roster in key positions can't hold a candle to those remaining teams - not entirely on Dak.
Parsons was right, the D did their job in contaning McCaffrey and Debo and only giving up one TD that should have been enough to win.....
Time to move on from Dak, he is what he is which is not a championship QB......
If I were Jerry...
Fire Mike and Promote Quinn
Release Dak and Zeke
Franchise Pollard
Draft a QB
Get a veteran QB
Get a receiver who can separate
But we all know Jerry won't do any of these, which is why this team has not been to a championship game since '95......
Time to move on from Dak, he is what he is which is not a championship QB......
If I were Jerry...
Fire Mike and Promote Quinn
Release Dak and Zeke
Franchise Pollard
Draft a QB
Get a veteran QB
Get a receiver who can separate
But we all know Jerry won't do any of these, which is why this team has not been to a championship game since '95......
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You can't release Dak, it's a non starter. It's shooting yourself in the face. It would be the most idiotic move in the history of sports if you know ANYTHING about the cap.
Zeke will almost certainly be a post-June 1st cut
They already basically said they're franchising Pollard
Zeke will almost certainly be a post-June 1st cut
They already basically said they're franchising Pollard
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Well they can't release Dak because his dead cap hit this next season is something like 80+ million dollars. But they could absolutely do some of the other things you mentioned.
Here's what I don't think some NFL fans understand: there are only a 2-3 QBs in the entire world who can win past the first round of the playoffs without an embarrassment of riches around them. I GUARANTEE you that the Eagles or the 49ers are in the exact same position with Dak as their QB.
If he were on the eagles, he'd have Brown and Smith to throw to, and Sanders to hand the ball off behind one of the best lines in the league.
If he were on the 49ers he'd have Ayuk, Deebo and Kittle to throw the ball to, and CMC and whoever that other guy was last night to hand the ball off to. He would also be behind one of the best lines in the league and a great playcaller/system in Shanahan.
The cowboys this season showed marked improvement up front offensively. I was surprised to see this, but they are absolutely below the talent threshold offensively of both Philly and SF as a whole.
You get better at the QB position if you put better players around Dak. What we rolled out there this season was good, but not cream of the crop good. The only two teams left in the NFC have better on average offensive rosters than we do.
CD plus pollard and a lame duck Zeke and Schultz just simply ain't gonna cut it at the elite level. Nobody will ever be able to convince me that Dak isn't as good as Jalen Hurts, and isn't better than Purdy. If those guys can get to an effing NFC championship game, so can Dak
If he were on the eagles, he'd have Brown and Smith to throw to, and Sanders to hand the ball off behind one of the best lines in the league.
If he were on the 49ers he'd have Ayuk, Deebo and Kittle to throw the ball to, and CMC and whoever that other guy was last night to hand the ball off to. He would also be behind one of the best lines in the league and a great playcaller/system in Shanahan.
The cowboys this season showed marked improvement up front offensively. I was surprised to see this, but they are absolutely below the talent threshold offensively of both Philly and SF as a whole.
You get better at the QB position if you put better players around Dak. What we rolled out there this season was good, but not cream of the crop good. The only two teams left in the NFC have better on average offensive rosters than we do.
CD plus pollard and a lame duck Zeke and Schultz just simply ain't gonna cut it at the elite level. Nobody will ever be able to convince me that Dak isn't as good as Jalen Hurts, and isn't better than Purdy. If those guys can get to an effing NFC championship game, so can Dak
The 49ers with Dak at QB would be the best team in football by a good margin.
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Yeah, as frustrating as the game was for Dak, you just have no choice but to keep trying to build around him. I do think you need to draft a QB just to keep trying to find something, but the odds are low.
There have been 151 QB’s drafted since 2010.
— Connor Livesay (@ConnorNFLDraft) January 23, 2023
There’s only three you’d ABSOLUTELY take over Dak Prescott right now.
Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen (🥴).
I understand arguments for Herbert & Lamar.
That means you have a 1.9-3.3% chance of improving at QB.
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Lol at cutting Dak.
That's so so unrealistic.
Also, I'm not a huge fan of McCarthy but I'm not sure yesterday can really be pinned on him. Not sure he's earned a firing tbh.
That's so so unrealistic.
Also, I'm not a huge fan of McCarthy but I'm not sure yesterday can really be pinned on him. Not sure he's earned a firing tbh.
I agree, but if you have a chance to fire him to hire Sean Payton, you do it. Especially since you're more than likely going to be replacing both offensive and defensive coordinators.
This fanbase is so spoiled with regard to QB play that most just think the next guy will magically appear.
Realize that Dak Prescott is better than ANY QB some NFL franchises have EVER had in the entire SB era.
Realize that Dak Prescott is better than ANY QB some NFL franchises have EVER had in the entire SB era.
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I agree, but if you have a chance to fire him to hire Sean Payton, you do it. Especially since you're more than likely going to be replacing both offensive and defensive coordinators.
McCarthy has more divisional titles, more playoff wins, the same number of rings and nearly an identical winning percentage. Why would I give up multiple draft picks for Payton? By what metric is so much better?
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Yeah right.....The immobile, injury prone Tony Romo was not that great.
And Romo played at a time where defenses weren't scared to hit the QB.
I also don't think you can pin that loss on him. I thought McCarthy was a lot better this year than last, and that he got better in the areas that we questioned him. I am with InfectionAg, no way in hell am giving up potentially multiple picks and paying Payton 15+ million dollars.
The intelligence of a football fan is directly related on how much credit/blame they give the QB.
AgsWin2011 said:
I agree, but if you have a chance to fire him to hire Sean Payton, you do it. Especially since you're more than likely going to be replacing both offensive and defensive coordinators.
I'm no big fan of Cowherd but he's pretty on point here.
How good of a coach is Mike McCarthy?@ColinCowherd plays 'Blind Resume' with the Cowboys' head coach... pic.twitter.com/tYK8T8EA36
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Pretty hard to argue with that.
I'm not a huge McCarthy apologist but I do think we lose perspective sometimes. As someone already said, he's actually got better numbers than Payton but Payton's marketing sure seems better, for whatever reason.
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McCarthy inherited a QB, had his coordinators thrust upon him, and isn't involved in any personnel decisions. He's gotten his team to the playoffs 2 yrs in a row. Aside from a couple moments this year there weren't too many other "what the hell is McCarthy doing?!" moments. Sure, yesterday's last play but I mean the chances of any play working there is less than 1%.
I'm with you. I have to believe part the allure with Payton is that he's familiar from his time with Dallas and many credit him with finding Romo. I also think retrospectively fans had a ton of buyers remorse with Wade Phillips thinking "what if we just promoted Payton instead".
This is another data point about how the media cover diff QBs and don't seem to employ the same rational for each guy….
Colin Cowherd really making excuses for Josh Allen saying they lost because the Bills don’t have an identity and they were out coached.. Meanwhile Dallas hasn’t had a running game since thanksgiving & Walmart employees at WR behind Lamb.. Guess which one he’s wanting to replace??
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Jerry Jones is a complete failure as GM. This graphic is a snapshot of what he's NOT done since 1995.
Romo did not play a ton with a bunch of those guys...also, half of them were never all-pros or future hall of famers.Kellso said:Infection_Ag11 said:Kellso said:Tony Romo ****ing sucked. Dak and Tony Romo are in the same boat.....guys that were not good enough to get it done.ApachePilot said:wangus12 said:Brian Earl Spilner said:TONY ROMO:
— Barry (@BarryOnHere) January 23, 2023
2-4 playoff record, 0-3 in the Divisional Round
DAK PRESCOTT:
2-4 playoff record, 0-3 in the Divisional Round
Carrying on the legacy of failure.
Cowboys haven't drafted a 1st round QB since Troy Aikman. Let that sink in.
To be fair the Cowboys beat Greenbay. Dez caught that pass. One of the worst calls ever
Romo takes several of these Dak led teams farther. Romo never got supported like Dak. I wish Romo had stayed healthy
Dak is 10x the player that Tony Romo was.
Peak Tony Romo is the best QB the Cowboys have ever had, full stop. He just had a relatively brief career spent mostly with either a poor defense, poor OL or both. His career adjusted yards per attempt a FULL YARD better than Staubach or Aikman, which is far more than can be accounted for by the difference in eras alone.
He'll never get any notoriety or credit for this, but him dragging those 2011-2013 teams to .500 records was an incredible achievement. Those were all 2-3 win teams with even league average QB play. I would venture to say the 2013 team was the worst combination of OL and defense in league history to come anywhere near 8 wins.
Romo played with the following Hall of Fame Caliber to ALL Pro Caliber players on offense:
Terrell Owens
Zack Martin
Tyron Smith
DeMarco Murray
Marion Barber
Dez Bryant
Jason Whitten
Flozell Adams.
Leonard Davis
Andre Gurode
TO - 3 seasons together
Zack Martin - 2 seasons
Tyron - 5 seasons
DeMarco Murray - 4 seasons together, will not be in the HOF, was on one all-pro team
Marion Barber - not an all-pro or HOF caliber player
Dez - one all-pro selection, not a HOF player
Witten - legend
Flozell - never an all-pro, will not be in the HOF
Gurode - never an all-pro, will not be in the HOF
Interesting thread.
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I've never seen Dak just take over a playoff game the way Josh did last season vs the chiefs. Dak doesn't have the upside. He is who he is and it's not Aikman. The boys could really be special if they build a team up and find that rookie gem. If you are paying 160 million to a qb he better be putting the team on his back.
Aggie87 said:
Jerry Jones is a complete failure as GM. This graphic is a snapshot of what he's NOT done since 1995.
Hard to believe it's been that long. It's shocking really. Mostly because I grew up in an era where the cowboys were great aside from some 80s teams. They just seemed to have a way of building great teams. Iconic.
You guys remember that weird speech Jerry gave in the off-season about how "availability" played such a huge factor in his roster decisions, specifically the guys he chose not to bring back? Let's check back in on the biggest ones:
1) Cooper: played in all 17 games for Cleveland and put up 1,100+ yards
2) La'el Collins: Appeared in 13 games for the Bengals before tearing his ACL/MCL
3) Gregory: played in 6 games for Denver and amassed a whopping 2 sacks
As frustrated as some of us were at the time, the Cowboys ended up dodging a MASSIVE bullet when Gregory bailed at the last minute. Obviously the Collins thing looked bad when Tyron went down, but Tyler Smith shocked us all and played well enough at LT to bail Jerry out on that one.
The Cooper trade, though, looks absolutely horrible in hindsight, both for the pitiful return the Cowboys got from Cleveland and the gaping hole that his departure left on the WR corps. I'm guessing that a Lamb-Cooper-Gallup-Hilton group would have put up more than 12 points against the 49ers yesterday.
1) Cooper: played in all 17 games for Cleveland and put up 1,100+ yards
2) La'el Collins: Appeared in 13 games for the Bengals before tearing his ACL/MCL
3) Gregory: played in 6 games for Denver and amassed a whopping 2 sacks
As frustrated as some of us were at the time, the Cowboys ended up dodging a MASSIVE bullet when Gregory bailed at the last minute. Obviously the Collins thing looked bad when Tyron went down, but Tyler Smith shocked us all and played well enough at LT to bail Jerry out on that one.
The Cooper trade, though, looks absolutely horrible in hindsight, both for the pitiful return the Cowboys got from Cleveland and the gaping hole that his departure left on the WR corps. I'm guessing that a Lamb-Cooper-Gallup-Hilton group would have put up more than 12 points against the 49ers yesterday.
J.P. 03 said:
You guys remember that weird speech Jerry gave in the off-season about how "availability" played such a huge factor in his roster decisions, specifically the guys he chose not to bring back? Let's check back in on the biggest ones:
1) Cooper: played in all 17 games for Cleveland and put up 1,100+ yards
2) La'el Collins: Appeared in 13 games for the Bengals before tearing his ACL/MCL
3) Gregory: played in 6 games for Denver and amassed a whopping 2 sacks
As frustrated as some of us were at the time, the Cowboys ended up dodging a MASSIVE bullet when Gregory bailed at the last minute. Obviously the Collins thing looked bad when Tyron went down, but Tyler Smith shocked us all and played well enough at LT to bail Jerry out on that one.
The Cooper trade, though, looks absolutely horrible in hindsight, both for the pitiful return the Cowboys got from Cleveland and the gaping hole that his departure left on the WR corps. I'm guessing that a Lamb-Cooper-Gallup-Hilton group would have put up more than 12 points against the 49ers yesterday.
I couldn't believe jerry let Cooper go and paid zeke. That showed up huge yesterday. Cooper was just special and he had a gift of getting separation in key moments. Always felt like Dak and Cooper had the best connection. That zeke deal will haunt the cowboys.
It's not shocking at all. I was 38 when they last won the SB. Now I'm 66. Jerry is an all time failure as an owner and executive.
Do you see what you are doing?Zachary Klement said:Romo did not play a ton with a bunch of those guys...also, half of them were never all-pros or future hall of famers.Kellso said:Infection_Ag11 said:Kellso said:Tony Romo ****ing sucked. Dak and Tony Romo are in the same boat.....guys that were not good enough to get it done.ApachePilot said:wangus12 said:Brian Earl Spilner said:TONY ROMO:
— Barry (@BarryOnHere) January 23, 2023
2-4 playoff record, 0-3 in the Divisional Round
DAK PRESCOTT:
2-4 playoff record, 0-3 in the Divisional Round
Carrying on the legacy of failure.
Cowboys haven't drafted a 1st round QB since Troy Aikman. Let that sink in.
To be fair the Cowboys beat Greenbay. Dez caught that pass. One of the worst calls ever
Romo takes several of these Dak led teams farther. Romo never got supported like Dak. I wish Romo had stayed healthy
Dak is 10x the player that Tony Romo was.
Peak Tony Romo is the best QB the Cowboys have ever had, full stop. He just had a relatively brief career spent mostly with either a poor defense, poor OL or both. His career adjusted yards per attempt a FULL YARD better than Staubach or Aikman, which is far more than can be accounted for by the difference in eras alone.
He'll never get any notoriety or credit for this, but him dragging those 2011-2013 teams to .500 records was an incredible achievement. Those were all 2-3 win teams with even league average QB play. I would venture to say the 2013 team was the worst combination of OL and defense in league history to come anywhere near 8 wins.
Romo played with the following Hall of Fame Caliber to ALL Pro Caliber players on offense:
Terrell Owens
Zack Martin
Tyron Smith
DeMarco Murray
Marion Barber
Dez Bryant
Jason Whitten
Flozell Adams.
Leonard Davis
Andre Gurode
TO - 3 seasons together (and???? TO was 1st team all Pro in 2007)
Zack Martin - 2 seasons (and???? ZM was 1st team all pro in 2014)
Tyron - 5 seasons (that a long time to play with a future HOF Famer player)
DeMarco Murray - 4 seasons together, will not be in the HOF, was on one all-pro team (led the league in rushing in 2014 and set the Cowboys all time mark of 1,800 yards in a season., 1st team all pro in 2014)
Marion Barber - not an all-pro or HOF caliber player
Dez - one all-pro selection, not a HOF player (1ST TEAM ALL PRO IN 2014, 3x pro Bowl in 2013, 14 and 16)
Witten - legend (4x All Pro in 2007, 2008, 2010, and 2012, 11x Pro Bowler
Flozell - never an all-pro, will not be in the HOF (Bullchit, 2nd team All Pro in 2007, Pro Bowl player for 3 straight seasons from 2007-09)
Gurode - never an all-pro, will not be in the HOF (Bullchit, 2nd team All Pro in 2009, Pro Bowl player for 5 straight seasons from 2006-2010)
You are tearing down all of these elite players to prop up Tony Romo.
I get sick and tired of hearing that Romo didn't play with anyone, or that he never had a defense.
Romo played with plenty of elite talent on the offensive side of the ball. The idea that he didn't play with anyone is only used by his fans to try and prop up his legacy.
Are you even from Dallas?jtstanley4621 said:
Basketball and football comparisons are silly. There's not an entire second starting lineup that plays defense on a basketball court.
But I see the majority of your posts are on the politics board, so I'm not surprised to see you doubling and tripling down on bad takes
If not....you need to STFU.
Tony Romo had chance after chance to change his legacy and he always fell short.
I'm not tearing anybody down? A lot of those players aren't elite, and that's okay. My bad on Adams and Gurode, I did my stat checking on pro-football-reference, and they only list first team all pro selections, which I did not initially realize.Kellso said:Do you see what you are doing?Zachary Klement said:Romo did not play a ton with a bunch of those guys...also, half of them were never all-pros or future hall of famers.Kellso said:Infection_Ag11 said:Kellso said:Tony Romo ****ing sucked. Dak and Tony Romo are in the same boat.....guys that were not good enough to get it done.ApachePilot said:wangus12 said:Brian Earl Spilner said:TONY ROMO:
— Barry (@BarryOnHere) January 23, 2023
2-4 playoff record, 0-3 in the Divisional Round
DAK PRESCOTT:
2-4 playoff record, 0-3 in the Divisional Round
Carrying on the legacy of failure.
Cowboys haven't drafted a 1st round QB since Troy Aikman. Let that sink in.
To be fair the Cowboys beat Greenbay. Dez caught that pass. One of the worst calls ever
Romo takes several of these Dak led teams farther. Romo never got supported like Dak. I wish Romo had stayed healthy
Dak is 10x the player that Tony Romo was.
Peak Tony Romo is the best QB the Cowboys have ever had, full stop. He just had a relatively brief career spent mostly with either a poor defense, poor OL or both. His career adjusted yards per attempt a FULL YARD better than Staubach or Aikman, which is far more than can be accounted for by the difference in eras alone.
He'll never get any notoriety or credit for this, but him dragging those 2011-2013 teams to .500 records was an incredible achievement. Those were all 2-3 win teams with even league average QB play. I would venture to say the 2013 team was the worst combination of OL and defense in league history to come anywhere near 8 wins.
Romo played with the following Hall of Fame Caliber to ALL Pro Caliber players on offense:
Terrell Owens
Zack Martin
Tyron Smith
DeMarco Murray
Marion Barber
Dez Bryant
Jason Whitten
Flozell Adams.
Leonard Davis
Andre Gurode
TO - 3 seasons together (and???? TO was 1st team all Pro in 2007)
Zack Martin - 2 seasons (and???? ZM was 1st team all pro in 2014)
Tyron - 5 seasons (that a long time to play with a future HOF Famer player)
DeMarco Murray - 4 seasons together, will not be in the HOF, was on one all-pro team (led the league in rushing in 2014 and set the Cowboys all time mark of 1,800 yards in a season., 1st team all pro in 2014)
Marion Barber - not an all-pro or HOF caliber player
Dez - one all-pro selection, not a HOF player (1ST TEAM ALL PRO IN 2014, 3x pro Bowl in 2013, 14 and 16)
Witten - legend (4x All Pro in 2007, 2008, 2010, and 2012, 11x Pro Bowler
Flozell - never an all-pro, will not be in the HOF (Bullchit, 2nd team All Pro in 2007, Pro Bowl player for 3 straight seasons from 2007-09)
Gurode - never an all-pro, will not be in the HOF (Bullchit, 2nd team All Pro in 2009, Pro Bowl player for 5 straight seasons from 2006-2010)
You are tearing down all of these elite players to prop up Tony Romo.
I get sick and tired of hearing that Romo didn't play with anyone, or that he never had a defense.
Romo played with plenty of elite talent on the offensive side of the ball. The idea that he didn't play with anyone is only used by his fans to try and prop up his legacy.
The most successful quarterbacks have multiple high-level playmakers surrounding them. This year's playoffs are a great demonstration of that...the remaining teams Cincinnati (Ja'Marr Chase, Tee Higgins, and Joe Mixon), Philadelphia (AJ Brown, DeVonta Smith, and Dallas Goedert), San Francisco (CMC, George Kittle, Deebo Samuel, and Brandon Aiyuk) and KC (Travis Kelce and Juju Smith-Schuster).
Romo was not consistently surrounded by elite talent...there were times when he had elite playmakers, and there were times when he played behind elite lines, but those didn't overlap very well.
According to PFF, the Cowboys' offensive line ranked 25th in pass pro in 2009, 17th in 2010, 15th in 2011, 26th in 2012, 9th in 2013, 4th in 2014, and 1st in 2015. I don't see PFF ranks for years prior to that, but Football Outsiders graded Dallas as the 7th best in pass pro in 2007, and 13th in 2008...2006 is behind a paywall.
There were a lot of bad offensive lines when Romo was here...the best line Romo played behind was the 2015 line, and that year, Dez broke his foot, and Romo broke his collarbone. The Cowboys' defenses were middle to back of the pack most of the time Romo was at the helm...they were no better than 15th in points surrendered in that timeframe and were as bad as 30th when Romo was at quarterback. The defenses with Romo at QB were always mediocre to bad.
Romo played with elite players, yes. Romo was NEVER surrounded by enough high-level talent to give him a legitimate chance at winning it all.
Kellso said:Are you even from Dallas?jtstanley4621 said:
Basketball and football comparisons are silly. There's not an entire second starting lineup that plays defense on a basketball court.
But I see the majority of your posts are on the politics board, so I'm not surprised to see you doubling and tripling down on bad takes
If not....you need to STFU.
Tony Romo had chance after chance to change his legacy and he always fell short.
LOL. I am from Dallas. Born and raised. What a response
jja79 said:
It's not shocking at all. I was 38 when they last won the SB. Now I'm 66. Jerry is an all time failure as an owner and executive.
In a thread full of horrible takes, this may be the worst. When all is said and done, the Cowboys won three Lombardis after Jerry bought the team following a significant drop off in success. And they've continued to be the most watched and highest valued franchise on the planet. I think his legacy will not be that of a failure.
I'm sorry he fired Tom Landry, but we all know it was time.
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