Better the Devil we know... Welch was not that bad, just wait till you see the next one.

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This seems like a consequence of an over-correction of cancel culture.

For years you couldn't be like "hey maybe if a 6 year old boy says he's a girl we shouldn't take him all that seriously" without fear of losing your job or being blasted all over the internet.

Now we've gone the other way and we're pushing out University presidents for not wanting to get pushed around by a bratty child on social media.

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That is what you glean from this situation? He did not act in a representative manner of Texas A&M.

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Yes.

I think, at least in part, the outrage over this is manufactured or artificially ginned up. Just like the left does so often by getting offended and pissed off about something that doesn't really matter.

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Or, we don't gaslight and say there is no issue with DEI and we stick to our principles that DEI has no place in a merit based society.

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If you think we're a 100% merit based society with no room for discussion about how to improve the implementation of that (I.e. DEI properly understood as removing barriers to let merit truly shine) then you have let your hatred for the left blind you.

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This is absurd...DEI has had a grave impact on many companies...

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So we're a 100% merit based society with no room for improvement? No one is ever unjustly kept from opportunities?

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Better the Devil we know... Welch was not that bad, just wait till you see the next one.

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If the next one is bad, you fire their ass too. Part of our problem is our ****ty vetting process.

I keep seeing posts about how all of the students just loved Welsh.

I bet you before these events, less than 25% of them could even tell you who the President of A&M was.

When I was in school 35 years ago, I think if we even thought about the President it was once a year. There were no interactions. There was no outreach made between him and the students. He did his job and we did ours.
All of this "student love" for Welsh sounds pretty cherry picked to me (at best) or just flat out contrived to bolster your defense.

I don't disagree with you at all. However this going to boomerang back around again and going to slap each and every one of us in the face. It's a tale as old as time.

Yep, just certain people wanting to push their narrative. I was there with Gates, and sure he seemed like a good dude and president, but I had zero interaction with him and him being there had about zero influence on my day to day life.

Sure there is room for improvement...DEI most certainly is not it

Time to pick a side, your attitude is exactly why we are where we are.

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This seems like a consequence of an over-correction of cancel culture.

For years you couldn't be like "hey maybe if a 6 year old boy says he's a girl we shouldn't take him all that seriously" without fear of losing your job or being blasted all over the internet.

Now we've gone the other way and we're pushing out University presidents for not wanting to get pushed around by a bratty child on social media.

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OR…..we've finally had enough of being bullied into submission and are now using their own tactics against them. Good.
General MacArthur was correct when he said "War's very object is victory, not prolonged indecision. In war, there can be no substitute for victory."

We tried playing nice. We gave them and inch and they took 10 miles.
Those days are over.

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This seems like a consequence of an over-correction of cancel culture.

For years you couldn't be like "hey maybe if a 6 year old boy says he's a girl we shouldn't take him all that seriously" without fear of losing your job or being blasted all over the internet.

Now we've gone the other way and we're pushing out University presidents for not wanting to get pushed around by a bratty child on social media.

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That is what you glean from this situation? He did not act in a representative manner of Texas A&M.

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Yes.

I think, at least in part, the outrage over this is manufactured or artificially ginned up. Just like the left does so often by getting offended and pissed off about something that doesn't really matter.

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Or, we don't gaslight and say there is no issue with DEI and we stick to our principles that DEI has no place in a merit based society.

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If you think we're a 100% merit based society with no room for discussion about how to improve the implementation of that (I.e. DEI properly understood as removing barriers to let merit truly shine) then you have let your hatred for the left blind you.

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This is absurd...DEI has had a grave impact on many companies...

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So we're a 100% merit based society with no room for improvement? No one is ever unjustly kept from opportunities?

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Strawman. Re-read what he said and what he bolded.

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I dont know why anyone would want the job honestly. Serving as the bridge between the conservative legislature and leftist faculty is no win.

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Who said that the president needs to please the faculty? The role of the Faculty Senate has been lessened. The faculty need to tow the line or self-deport. Here's how it should work? Do what you're supposed to be doing without doing so by including your unsolicited personal agenda, and we'll be fine. But know that if you veer from that mission, you're out.

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I don't disagree with you at all. However this going to boomerang back around again and going to slap each and every one of us in the face. It's a tale as old as time.

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Exactly how?
Stop catastrophizing this.

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I dont know why anyone would want the job honestly. Serving as the bridge between the conservative legislature and leftist faculty is no win.

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Who said that the president needs to please the faculty? The role of the Faculty Senate has been lessened. The faculty need to toe the line or self-deport. Here's how it should work? Do what you're supposed to be doing without doing so by including your unsolicited personal agenda, and we'll be fine. But know that if you veer from that mission, you're out.

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Exactly! There ain't no bridge. The president is the boss and directs what the faculty will or won't do. Don't like it? Get the **** out!

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Good luck to whoever dares to step into this mess we have created for our leaders at A&M, especially the President. No matter who gets selected next, he or she will be under intense scrutiny 24/7 and will no doubt face serious criticism every time they try to make a decision, more than any A&M President has had to endure in the past.

This is no longer about leading or leadership. Its strictly about blind obedience and acquiescence with no voice or input.

Not a good day for Texas A&M.

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Good. Hire a true conservative. Flush every DEI administrator, prof, and lecturer this school hired in the last twenty years.

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Yep, especially those who advocate for wheelchair ramps, special seating at Kyle Field, handicapped parking permits, and accessible dorm rooms. Special treatment has got to end!

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Are you saying that gender dysphoria is a mental handicap?

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It's amazing how often the "most qualified" candidate in our "meritocracy" doesn't need a wheelchair ramp, larger print, a walker, or an adapted workspace in order to do their job. A lot of people are ignorant about what DEI includes.

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We are lumping handicaps in with DEI now? What nonsense is that?

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Literally always has been a part of it.

People are so afraid of these three little letters and making a boogeyman out of them. It's absurd.

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Of course. Disability has always been part of DEI. It was the other stuff that has been lumped in.

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Good luck to whoever dares to step into this mess we have created for our leaders at A&M, especially the President. No matter who gets selected next, he or she will be under intense scrutiny 24/7 and will no doubt face serious criticism every time they try to make a decision, more than any A&M President has had to endure in the past.

This is no longer about leading or leadership. Its strictly about blind obedience and acquiescence with no voice or input.

Not a good day for Texas A&M.

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Good. Hire a true conservative. Flush every DEI administrator, prof, and lecturer this school hired in the last twenty years.

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Yep, especially those who advocate for wheelchair ramps, special seating at Kyle Field, handicapped parking permits, and accessible dorm rooms. Special treatment has got to end!

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Are you saying that gender dysphoria is a mental handicap?

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It's amazing how often the "most qualified" candidate in our "meritocracy" doesn't need a wheelchair ramp, larger print, a walker, or an adapted workspace in order to do their job. A lot of people are ignorant about what DEI includes.

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We are lumping handicaps in with DEI now? What nonsense is that?

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Literally always has been a part of it.

People are so afraid of these three little letters and making a boogeyman out of them. It's absurd.

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Of course. Disability has always been part of DEI. It was the other stuff that has been lumped in.

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Nope, and if you think objectively you will understand that

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I don't disagree with you at all. However this going to boomerang back around again and going to slap each and every one of us in the face. It's a tale as old as time.

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Exactly how?
Stop catastrophizing this.

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You mean leftists will take over academia and run off conservatives? Yeah, that already happened and this is conservatives clawing back a TINY part of what the left has usurped. Please.

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So we're a 100% merit based society with no room for improvement? No one is ever unjustly kept from opportunities?

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DEI was never,not for one minute, about opportunity. It was about equal outcomes. The two are radically different in meaning.

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Good luck to whoever dares to step into this mess we have created for our leaders at A&M, especially the President. No matter who gets selected next, he or she will be under intense scrutiny 24/7 and will no doubt face serious criticism every time they try to make a decision, more than any A&M President has had to endure in the past.

This is no longer about leading or leadership. Its strictly about blind obedience and acquiescence with no voice or input.

Not a good day for Texas A&M.

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Good. Hire a true conservative. Flush every DEI administrator, prof, and lecturer this school hired in the last twenty years.

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Yep, especially those who advocate for wheelchair ramps, special seating at Kyle Field, handicapped parking permits, and accessible dorm rooms. Special treatment has got to end!

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Are you saying that gender dysphoria is a mental handicap?

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It's amazing how often the "most qualified" candidate in our "meritocracy" doesn't need a wheelchair ramp, larger print, a walker, or an adapted workspace in order to do their job. A lot of people are ignorant about what DEI includes.

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We are lumping handicaps in with DEI now? What nonsense is that?

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Literally always has been a part of it.

People are so afraid of these three little letters and making a boogeyman out of them. It's absurd.

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Of course. Disability has always been part of DEI. It was the other stuff that has been lumped in.

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Nope, and if you think objectively you will understand that

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Yes it has. You are not educated on this topic. I am personal friends with the author of the 1991 ADA. Don't even start.

And if you want to learn where Nazi Germany drew a lot of its inspiration on eugenics, race, and disabled people, it's a good read.

Dude, how hard is it to understand the difference between Equality and Equity?

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So we're a 100% merit based society with no room for improvement? No one is ever unjustly kept from opportunities?

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DEI was never,not for one minute, about opportunity. It was about equal outcomes. The two are radically different in meaning.

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Yes, that was actually written in the documents of the consultant hired by Thomas Jefferson High School, and was the reason why they decided not to notify their students who were national merit semi-finalists. Absolutely absurd, and was rightly exposed. This equal outcomes nonsense is certainly part of the problem, and needs to be rooted out, but tossing out diversity and inclusion is equally ridiculous.

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Hedley Lamar said:

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Good luck to whoever dares to step into this mess we have created for our leaders at A&M, especially the President. No matter who gets selected next, he or she will be under intense scrutiny 24/7 and will no doubt face serious criticism every time they try to make a decision, more than any A&M President has had to endure in the past.

This is no longer about leading or leadership. Its strictly about blind obedience and acquiescence with no voice or input.

Not a good day for Texas A&M.

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Good. Hire a true conservative. Flush every DEI administrator, prof, and lecturer this school hired in the last twenty years.

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Yep, especially those who advocate for wheelchair ramps, special seating at Kyle Field, handicapped parking permits, and accessible dorm rooms. Special treatment has got to end!

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Are you saying that gender dysphoria is a mental handicap?

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It's amazing how often the "most qualified" candidate in our "meritocracy" doesn't need a wheelchair ramp, larger print, a walker, or an adapted workspace in order to do their job. A lot of people are ignorant about what DEI includes.

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We are lumping handicaps in with DEI now? What nonsense is that?

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Literally always has been a part of it.

People are so afraid of these three little letters and making a boogeyman out of them. It's absurd.

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Of course. Disability has always been part of DEI. It was the other stuff that has been lumped in.

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Nope, and if you think objectively you will understand that

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Yes it has. You are not educated on this topic. I am personal friends with the author of the 1991 ADA. Don't even start.

And if you want to learn where Nazi Germany drew a lot of its inspiration on eugenics, race, and disabled people, it's a good read.

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Incorrect. The concept and acronym DEI was not part of the common vernacular until around 2005. Disability has been protected by law since the ADA was passed. DEI is basically Marxism with the classes based on race and ethnicity. It has zero to do with disabilities.

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Time to pick a side, your attitude is exactly why we are where we are.

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No thanks. I'll continue to stand against leftists who hate anything traditional and against conservatives who's faces turn red if someone mentions "hey maybe the playing field is not 100% level for everyone here and we should do something about that"

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94chem said:

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94chem said:

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FTAG 2000 said:

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Hedley Lamar said:

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Good luck to whoever dares to step into this mess we have created for our leaders at A&M, especially the President. No matter who gets selected next, he or she will be under intense scrutiny 24/7 and will no doubt face serious criticism every time they try to make a decision, more than any A&M President has had to endure in the past.

This is no longer about leading or leadership. Its strictly about blind obedience and acquiescence with no voice or input.

Not a good day for Texas A&M.

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Good. Hire a true conservative. Flush every DEI administrator, prof, and lecturer this school hired in the last twenty years.

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Yep, especially those who advocate for wheelchair ramps, special seating at Kyle Field, handicapped parking permits, and accessible dorm rooms. Special treatment has got to end!

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Are you saying that gender dysphoria is a mental handicap?

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It's amazing how often the "most qualified" candidate in our "meritocracy" doesn't need a wheelchair ramp, larger print, a walker, or an adapted workspace in order to do their job. A lot of people are ignorant about what DEI includes.

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We are lumping handicaps in with DEI now? What nonsense is that?

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Literally always has been a part of it.

People are so afraid of these three little letters and making a boogeyman out of them. It's absurd.

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Of course. Disability has always been part of DEI. It was the other stuff that has been lumped in.

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Nope, and if you think objectively you will understand that

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Yes it has. You are not educated on this topic. I am personal friends with the author of the 1991 ADA. Don't even start.

And if you want to learn where Nazi Germany drew a lot of its inspiration on eugenics, race, and disabled people, it's a good read.

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Incorrect. The concept and acronym DEI was not part of the common vernacular until around 2005. Disability has been protected by law since the ADA was passed. DEI is basically Marxism with the classes based on race and ethnicity. It has zero to do with disabilities.

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you boys took this thread and made it about nazis and disabled people. Impressive feats of logic

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Time to pick a side, your attitude is exactly why we are where we are.

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No thanks. I'll continue to stand against leftists who hate anything traditional and against conservatives who's faces turn red if someone mentions "hey maybe the playing field is not 100% level for everyone here and we should do something about that"

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Teaching "there are an infinite number of genders" has nothing to do with leveling the paying field.

This wouldn't have happened if Sharp was still chancelor.

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Dude, how hard is it to understand the difference between Equality and Equity?

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Not hard at all behind a keyboard. I've got it down pat. Eventually my son will get his advisor involved, and after spending who knows how many hours and how much energy worrying about it, I'm sure that he will get out of the one mile run that he has to do for his mandatory PE class as a college freshman. No problem, right?

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My position is (maybe unrelated to this particular situation) there's a middle ground between "equity of outcome for all yaaay hippy flowers!!" And "DEI is literally from the devil and we as a Christian nation should destroy anyone who suggests otherwise".

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The concept that we should view every single person primarily through the lens of race before any other attribute is the idea that is literally from the devil and we as a nation founded on Judeo Christian values should destroy it.

DEI is just a bad implementation of that idea that deserves every bit of ridicule that it gets.

I stand with the 8/28/63 version of MLK on the issue of race.

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Time to pick a side, your attitude is exactly why we are where we are.

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No thanks. I'll continue to stand against leftists who hate anything traditional and against conservatives who's faces turn red if someone mentions "hey maybe the playing field is not 100% level for everyone here and we should do something about that"

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What does leveling the playing field even mean? Discriminating against white people is my guess

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Good luck to whoever dares to step into this mess we have created for our leaders at A&M, especially the President. No matter who gets selected next, he or she will be under intense scrutiny 24/7 and will no doubt face serious criticism every time they try to make a decision, more than any A&M President has had to endure in the past.

This is no longer about leading or leadership. Its strictly about blind obedience and acquiescence with no voice or input.

Not a good day for Texas A&M.

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Good. Hire a true conservative. Flush every DEI administrator, prof, and lecturer this school hired in the last twenty years.

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Yep, especially those who advocate for wheelchair ramps, special seating at Kyle Field, handicapped parking permits, and accessible dorm rooms. Special treatment has got to end!

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Are you saying that gender dysphoria is a mental handicap?

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It's amazing how often the "most qualified" candidate in our "meritocracy" doesn't need a wheelchair ramp, larger print, a walker, or an adapted workspace in order to do their job. A lot of people are ignorant about what DEI includes.

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We are lumping handicaps in with DEI now? What nonsense is that?

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Literally always has been a part of it.

People are so afraid of these three little letters and making a boogeyman out of them. It's absurd.

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Of course. Disability has always been part of DEI. It was the other stuff that has been lumped in.

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Nope, and if you think objectively you will understand that

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Yes it has. You are not educated on this topic. I am personal friends with the author of the 1991 ADA. Don't even start.

And if you want to learn where Nazi Germany drew a lot of its inspiration on eugenics, race, and disabled people, it's a good read.

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Incorrect. The concept and acronym DEI was not part of the common vernacular until around 2005. Disability has been protected by law since the ADA was passed. DEI is basically Marxism with the classes based on race and ethnicity. It has zero to do with disabilities.

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1991. Let that sink in.

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I don't disagree with you at all. However this going to boomerang back around again and going to slap each and every one of us in the face. It's a tale as old as time.

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Exactly how?
Stop catastrophizing this.

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You mean leftists will take over academia and run off conservatives? Yeah, that already happened and this is conservatives clawing back a TINY part of what the left has usurped. Please.

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You are so right! A&M is just an infinitesimal part of what leftists have corrupted in academia nationwide. The entire country needs to boot a huge number of leftist swill purveyors out of positions of power in academia if we are to continue to have any semblance of a Constitutional Republic left in the next few generations.

I hope he doesn't have an $80 million buy-out.

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Time to pick a side, your attitude is exactly why we are where we are.

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No thanks. I'll continue to stand against leftists who hate anything traditional and against conservatives who's faces turn red if someone mentions "hey maybe the playing field is not 100% level for everyone here and we should do something about that"

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#respect

Although calling them conservatives is an undeserved compliment and a hijacked definition

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Time to pick a side, your attitude is exactly why we are where we are.

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No thanks. I'll continue to stand against leftists who hate anything traditional and against conservatives who's faces turn red if someone mentions "hey maybe the playing field is not 100% level for everyone here and we should do something about that"

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#respect

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If you think we're a 100% merit based society with no room for discussion about how to improve the implementation of that (I.e. DEI properly understood as removing barriers to let merit truly shine) then you have let your hatred for the left blind you.

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So you're arguing admissions to universities are weighted by race is somehow an advancement of meritocracy?

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Good luck to whoever dares to step into this mess we have created for our leaders at A&M, especially the President. No matter who gets selected next, he or she will be under intense scrutiny 24/7 and will no doubt face serious criticism every time they try to make a decision, more than any A&M President has had to endure in the past.

This is no longer about leading or leadership. Its strictly about blind obedience and acquiescence with no voice or input.

Not a good day for Texas A&M.

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Good. Hire a true conservative. Flush every DEI administrator, prof, and lecturer this school hired in the last twenty years.

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Yep, especially those who advocate for wheelchair ramps, special seating at Kyle Field, handicapped parking permits, and accessible dorm rooms. Special treatment has got to end!

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Are you saying that gender dysphoria is a mental handicap?

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It's amazing how often the "most qualified" candidate in our "meritocracy" doesn't need a wheelchair ramp, larger print, a walker, or an adapted workspace in order to do their job. A lot of people are ignorant about what DEI includes.

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We are lumping handicaps in with DEI now? What nonsense is that?

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Literally always has been a part of it.

People are so afraid of these three little letters and making a boogeyman out of them. It's absurd.

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Of course. Disability has always been part of DEI. It was the other stuff that has been lumped in.

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Nope, and if you think objectively you will understand that

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Yes it has. You are not educated on this topic. I am personal friends with the author of the 1991 ADA. Don't even start.

And if you want to learn where Nazi Germany drew a lot of its inspiration on eugenics, race, and disabled people, it's a good read.

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Incorrect. The concept and acronym DEI was not part of the common vernacular until around 2005. Disability has been protected by law since the ADA was passed. DEI is basically Marxism with the classes based on race and ethnicity. It has zero to do with disabilities.

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1991. Let that sink in.

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1991 what? Disability protection?