Infection_Ag11 said:

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Texas 8&4 said:

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The lecturer in question wasn't tenured

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The dean was

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Yet, dean wasn't fired.

Relieved of administrative duties, yes...

ETA by ur boy...

Tex100 said:

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Predict he was given two choices

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Choice two:

Just now back from ban camp.

You have no idea how hard it has been to not be able to celebrate on TexAgs!

Texas 8&4 said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Texas 8&4 said:

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The lecturer in question wasn't tenured

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The dean was

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Point? If he handled the situation with the student respectfully and got rid of the lecturer, and did so transparently...no one would care

My guess is there is more to this story than what we know. I keep asking the same question, how does a student get a one on one meeting with the president of a university the size of A&M? Further, let us not forget the little bribery situation that took place. Yes he is a very upstanding individual.

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Our president can't fire a professor unilaterally if the dean of their department isn't on board. They have to take it to the board. You can thank Sharp for that.

Is that stupid? Yeah. But it's just the way it is.

Again, it's clear many of you have never dealt with the frustrations of a meaningful leadership hierarchy.

Gator92 said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Texas 8&4 said:

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The lecturer in question wasn't tenured

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The dean was

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Yet, dean wasn't fired.

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University presidents can't fire tenured department deans

The world just isn't as simple as you want it to be

You are correct, all of us poor non doctor types have never worked for any decent size corporation. It's this type of condescending **** you do that rubs people the wrong way. Smartest guy in the room...

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no Obama era generals

it's very simple

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Yes. No ties to Obama/democrats or the Bush cabal.

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Again, it's clear many of you have never dealt with the frustrations of a meaningful leadership hierarchy.

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Or maybe we have and simply disagree with your assertions.

This rivals the time we were able to immediately have Mark Stoops canceled from becoming our new head coach. If it had happened faster then it would be the number one "dont eff with us, we're Aggies" moment in a good long while

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Just now back from ban camp.

You have no idea how hard it has been to not be able to celebrate on TexAgs!

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I was wondering where you were. You were all over this welsh stuff. Great job

I'm guessing the dean will be looking for a job in short order, no matter how hard you think that is.

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Texas 8&4 said:

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So premium is upset because welsh was a NIL guy and was going to take us to the promise land?

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This is a joke right?

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I guess they think this is going to set us back in our quest for winning a championship

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There are a disturbing number of *******s on Texags who would sacrifice everything good about A&M for more football success. Frankly, those *******s should never have enrolled here. A vapid, football focused school devoid of anything else that is unique or admirable (maybe LSU) would have been the better destination for them.

Infection_Ag11 said:

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Gator92 said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Texas 8&4 said:

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The lecturer in question wasn't tenured

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The dean was

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Yet, dean wasn't fired.

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University presidents can't fire tenured department deans

The world just isn't as simple as you want it to be

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Except he didn't fire a dean...

ETA ur boy that is...

Between Jimmy Kimmel getting fired, libs getting fired for their hatred, antifa officially being terrorists and this finally coming to an end, I think there might actually be some hope in this country! Had started worrying that none of them would ever happen

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Again, it's clear many of you have never dealt with the frustrations of a meaningful leadership hierarchy.

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Or maybe we have and simply disagree with your assertions.

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Which would be fine, but many of the responses I'm getting is "well he should have just done this thing he has little to no power to actually do".

Again, you don't get to run Texas A&M like your household. That's just not how any of this works. I'm not defending this reality but it is reality, and we need to all live in reality.

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I'm guessing the dean will be looking for a job in short order, no matter how hard you think that is.

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Because the BOR will see to it

Which would have happened whether or not social pressure forced Welsh out or not. And the fact that many will see those as either/or propositions really highlights my premise.

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Again, it's clear many of you have never dealt with the frustrations of a meaningful leadership hierarchy.

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Or maybe we have and simply disagree with your assertions.

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Which would be fine, but many of the responses I'm getting is "well he should have just done this thing he has little to no power to actually do".

Again, you don't get to run Texas A&M like your household. That's just not how any of this works. I'm not defending this reality but it is reality, and we need to all live in reality.

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Reality is he needed to go...and now he is gone

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You are correct, all of us poor non doctor types have never worked for any decent size corporation. It's this type of condescending **** you do that rubs people the wrong way. Smartest guy in the room...

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Has nothing to do with being a doctor. None. Has everything to do with being in charge of lots of people absent the unilateral authority many who have never been in that position envision exists.

You missed the point entirely, but it is exhausting trying to get you to understand the error of your ways

Infection_Ag11 said:

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Texas 8&4 said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Texas 8&4 said:

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The lecturer in question wasn't tenured

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The dean was

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Point? If he handled the situation with the student respectfully and got rid of the lecturer, and did so transparently...no one would care

My guess is there is more to this story than what we know. I keep asking the same question, how does a student get a one on one meeting with the president of a university the size of A&M? Further, let us not forget the little bribery situation that took place. Yes he is a very upstanding individual.

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Our president can't fire a professor unilaterally if the dean of their department isn't on board. They have to take it to the board. You can thank Sharp for that.

Is that stupid? Yeah. But it's just the way it is.

Again, it's clear many of you have never dealt with the frustrations of a meaningful leadership hierarchy.

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Get off your high horse and look in the mirror. Plenty of us have executive experience. We just disagree with your take.

Regardless of the other facts surrounding the terminations, Welsh lied about it in a very public fashion. Period.

He broke the honor code and it was right for him to go. No need for all the drama. It's not the end of the world.

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Again, it's clear many of you have never dealt with the frustrations of a meaningful leadership hierarchy.

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Or maybe we have and simply disagree with your assertions.

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Which would be fine, but many of the responses I'm getting is "well he should have just done this thing he has little to no power to actually do".

Again, you don't get to run Texas A&M like your household. That's just not how any of this works. I'm not defending this reality but it is reality, and we need to all live in reality.

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Reality is he needed to go...and now he is gone

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And the next guy will probably be worse, because we have an horrible history of hiring presidents annd almost every university president is a far more entrenched career academic than Welsh.

Don't forget bribing the student

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Again, it's clear many of you have never dealt with the frustrations of a meaningful leadership hierarchy.

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Or maybe we have and simply disagree with your assertions.

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Which would be fine, but many of the responses I'm getting is "well he should have just done this thing he has little to no power to actually do".

Again, you don't get to run Texas A&M like your household. That's just not how any of this works. I'm not defending this reality but it is reality, and we need to all live in reality.

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Reality is he needed to go...and now he is gone

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And the next guy will probably be worse, because we have an horrible history of hiring presidents annd almost every university president is a far more entrenched career academic than Welsh.

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This is something you and I can agree on. Our hiring process has a pretty terrible history

However, if the next one sucks, cut bait and move on...do so until we find the person WE need, to return our university to where it needs to be.

Ag87H2O said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Texas 8&4 said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Texas 8&4 said:

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The lecturer in question wasn't tenured

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The dean was

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Point? If he handled the situation with the student respectfully and got rid of the lecturer, and did so transparently...no one would care

My guess is there is more to this story than what we know. I keep asking the same question, how does a student get a one on one meeting with the president of a university the size of A&M? Further, let us not forget the little bribery situation that took place. Yes he is a very upstanding individual.

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Our president can't fire a professor unilaterally if the dean of their department isn't on board. They have to take it to the board. You can thank Sharp for that.

Is that stupid? Yeah. But it's just the way it is.

Again, it's clear many of you have never dealt with the frustrations of a meaningful leadership hierarchy.

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Get off your high horse and look in the mirror. Plenty of us have executive experience. We just disagree with your take.

Regardless of the other facts surrounding the terminations, Welsh lied about it in a very public fashion. Period.

He broke the honor code and it was right for him to go. No need for all the drama. It's not the end of the world.

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He didn't lie, this board apparently just didn't understand the concept of past tense. Now did he end up looking bad aesthetically? Sure, because he was caught up in a political entrapment designed to do that by people seeking political clout.

Again, this was literally schemed up to crate this result. I'm not persuaded by the emotional claim that a plan to make administrators looked bad succeeded. ANYONE in his position would be in the same spot today. Anyone.

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Don't forget bribing the student

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That really seemed inappropriate. I do hope that more information emerges and that all involved, even those who we didn't know, get what they deserve.

"This was just brought to my attention yesterday.."

..happened in the summer

Any comments on bribing the student, which has also been documented?

I just read through 7 pages of those celebrating Welsh's firing and those lamenting his loss. Based on the posting history of most of those supporting Welsh, I know I'm in the right camp in celebrating his departure from our university.

Infection_Ag11 said:

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Texas 8&4 said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Texas 8&4 said:

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The lecturer in question wasn't tenured

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The dean was

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Point? If he handled the situation with the student respectfully and got rid of the lecturer, and did so transparently...no one would care

My guess is there is more to this story than what we know. I keep asking the same question, how does a student get a one on one meeting with the president of a university the size of A&M? Further, let us not forget the little bribery situation that took place. Yes he is a very upstanding individual.

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Our president can't fire a professor unilaterally if the dean of their department isn't on board. They have to take it to the board. You can thank Sharp for that.

Is that stupid? Yeah. But it's just the way it is.

Again, it's clear many of you have never dealt with the frustrations of a meaningful leadership hierarchy.

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It's clear the guy you are goaltending for didn't deal well in his meaningful leadership position as president of the university and wound up losing his job.

We won't know the entire story....Again how does one student get an in person meeting with the university president...there is more

Not surprised by the decision. Can't make the boss look weak & stupid.

When the young student said she wanted the executive orders enforced & the professor fired, he was stupid to say that isn't going to happen.

Welsh was a 4 Star. He knew the right response to a complaint is " Accept, Legitimize, and Defer" ( but seldom agree).
At that level he should have known whatever you say is going to be repeated.

Instead his reply to the student was essentially giving the finger to Gov. Abbott - who now out ranks him.

A quote from Gov. Abbott's 2025 state of Texas address:

"However, schools must not push woke agendas on our kids. Schools are for education, not indoctrination."

You are...and don't worry we weren't winning a national championship with or without him

Infection_Ag11 said:

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Ag87H2O said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Texas 8&4 said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Texas 8&4 said:

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The lecturer in question wasn't tenured

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The dean was

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Point? If he handled the situation with the student respectfully and got rid of the lecturer, and did so transparently...no one would care

My guess is there is more to this story than what we know. I keep asking the same question, how does a student get a one on one meeting with the president of a university the size of A&M? Further, let us not forget the little bribery situation that took place. Yes he is a very upstanding individual.

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Our president can't fire a professor unilaterally if the dean of their department isn't on board. They have to take it to the board. You can thank Sharp for that.

Is that stupid? Yeah. But it's just the way it is.

Again, it's clear many of you have never dealt with the frustrations of a meaningful leadership hierarchy.

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Get off your high horse and look in the mirror. Plenty of us have executive experience. We just disagree with your take.

Regardless of the other facts surrounding the terminations, Welsh lied about it in a very public fashion. Period.

He broke the honor code and it was right for him to go. No need for all the drama. It's not the end of the world.

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He didn't lie, this board apparently just didn't understand the concept of past tense. Now did he end up looking bad aesthetically? Sure, because he was caught up in a political entrapment designed to do that by people seeking political clout.

Again, this was literally schemed up to crate this result. I'm not persuaded by the emotional claim that a plan to make administrators looked bad succeeded. ANYONE in his position would be in the same spot today. Anyone.

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lol

Texas 8&4 said:

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We won't know the entire story....Again how does one student get an in person meeting with the university president...there is more

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Oh no doubt. The only way you get to speak with the president is if something is really really wrong. We do know how they handled it was very wrong. Question now is how bad is it?

I'm ready to see with the DOJ comes up with. A&M has been doing some shady stuff for a long time.