Is a university designed to educate future leaders, entrepreneurs, and the general population of the state/US, or is it there to play sports? The Welsh apologists sure are worried we might not make into the playoffs…wgas. We've spent gazillions of dollars since JFF and we've barely cracked the top 10 a few times, maybe we should focus on not letting A&M become a lesser valued degree than worry about sports we can't seem to win at.
Welsh Resigning
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Are there folks really claiming Welsh resigning will impact the football team this year?
LOLOL, if so.
LOLOL, if so.
sanangelo said:satexas said:sanangelo said:
We messed up on this one in the name of ideological purity. I get it. We were all inundated with DEI and wokeness since 2020 by the radical left and this is payback. However, A&M is throwing out the baby with the bathwater on this one and I'm against abortion.
On some level, I'm with you. But on the level that Welsh clearly lied about his knowledge and timeline and backed DEI, I'm against you 100%. He had to go.
If you need proof - just go listen to the audio recording in which she meets with Welsh. In the audio where he meets with the girl, he references how many kids are in the class... he's got factual data and very specific about it. You, as President, don't have factual data unless you researched it and KNOW what's going on firsthand.
I think you're too motivated by being scared how A&M looks light now and that leans you too much towards being a bit blind to what Welsh has done here.
The man messed up. Period. It's sad. It sucks. But it is what it is - he did it, not you nor me.
I am not going to agree that this decorated 4-star general lied based off of a curated audio tape posted on X by State Rep. Brian Harrison. The whole thing was a setup and the way this went down was dishonest.
Yet, I get it. MAGA needs scalps due to the extreme woke we endured. We want payback. I just wish we'd setup the bad guys instead of our own good guys like Welsh.
Lol we? MAGA needs scalps? You're not serious with comments like that. The only people taking scalps are the people murdering or trying to murder conservatives. The media, like some, not naming names, lie their ass off about it.
Good news! There needs to be accountability to these DEI disciples.
Remember folks: this is a "reporter" who lied about Brandon Herrera on behalf of the squishy "(R)" Tony Gonzalez. Take his opposition as confirmation that Welsh was controlled opposition.sanangelo said:satexas said:sanangelo said:
We messed up on this one in the name of ideological purity. I get it. We were all inundated with DEI and wokeness since 2020 by the radical left and this is payback. However, A&M is throwing out the baby with the bathwater on this one and I'm against abortion.
On some level, I'm with you. But on the level that Welsh clearly lied about his knowledge and timeline and backed DEI, I'm against you 100%. He had to go.
If you need proof - just go listen to the audio recording in which she meets with Welsh. In the audio where he meets with the girl, he references how many kids are in the class... he's got factual data and very specific about it. You, as President, don't have factual data unless you researched it and KNOW what's going on firsthand.
I think you're too motivated by being scared how A&M looks light now and that leans you too much towards being a bit blind to what Welsh has done here.
The man messed up. Period. It's sad. It sucks. But it is what it is - he did it, not you nor me.
I am not going to agree that this decorated 4-star general lied based off of a curated audio tape posted on X by State Rep. Brian Harrison. The whole thing was a setup and the way this went down was dishonest.
Yet, I get it. MAGA needs scalps due to the extreme woke we endured. We want payback. I just wish we'd setup the bad guys instead of our own good guys like Welsh.
BusterAg said:94chem said:FTAG 2000 said:Hedley Lamar said:
Good luck to whoever dares to step into this mess we have created for our leaders at A&M, especially the President. No matter who gets selected next, he or she will be under intense scrutiny 24/7 and will no doubt face serious criticism every time they try to make a decision, more than any A&M President has had to endure in the past.
This is no longer about leading or leadership. Its strictly about blind obedience and acquiescence with no voice or input.
Not a good day for Texas A&M.
Good. Hire a true conservative. Flush every DEI administrator, prof, and lecturer this school hired in the last twenty years.
Yep, especially those who advocate for wheelchair ramps, special seating at Kyle Field, handicapped parking permits, and accessible dorm rooms. Special treatment has got to end!
Are you saying that gender dysphoria is a mental handicap?
It's amazing how often the "most qualified" candidate in our "meritocracy" doesn't need a wheelchair ramp, larger print, a walker, or an adapted workspace in order to do their job. A lot of people are ignorant about what DEI includes.
94chem,
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
I do not care, we're now in the friend/enemy era where I want my enemies' lives ruined and my friends installed in power. The era of tolerance of leftist behavior is over, we're never going back to that again. Either capitulate or leave.
nortex97 said:
Are there folks really claiming Welsh resigning will impact the football team this year?
LOLOL, if so.
Some of us are still pissed off we let Bill Mobley run off Jackie Sherrill.
To me it isn't about scalps or anything personal with Welsh. Right now we need leaders who can focus on ensuring education is not leftist indoctrination. Not doing what all other institutions are doing or what profs want, but doing what is right. Welsh might be a fine President in another time or at another Univeristy. We need a better fit for A&M right now.
Hedley Lamar said:
Good luck to whoever dares to step into this mess we have created for our leaders at A&M, especially the President. No matter who gets selected next, he or she will be under intense scrutiny 24/7 and will no doubt face serious criticism every time they try to make a decision, more than any A&M President has had to endure in the past.
This is no longer about leading or leadership. Its strictly about blind obedience and acquiescence with no voice or input.
Not a good day for Texas A&M.
You do realize John Sharp had a super huge role in the hiring of every president for the better part of the last 15 years? Calling Sharp a conservative is laughable. It was Sharp & Company that gave Jimbo that stupid national championship trophy for some date in the future.... some Aggie Jokes just write themselves.
Let's just let Glenn Hegar do his job and find a conservative replacement.
I know nothing!
I have yet to hear one defender of Welsh show how he was taking back cultural territory for us. "Presiding over the institution" isn't enough. The culture has been ratcheted so far left (both within the west and our school) that "respectable" leaders who merely delay the shift are now being called out as the treacherous subversives that they've always been.
The era of picking leaders to march in front of the mob is over. We need conservatives whose baselines don't reset every time they lay their head on the pillow.
The era of picking leaders to march in front of the mob is over. We need conservatives whose baselines don't reset every time they lay their head on the pillow.
94chem said:BusterAg said:94chem said:FTAG 2000 said:Hedley Lamar said:
Good luck to whoever dares to step into this mess we have created for our leaders at A&M, especially the President. No matter who gets selected next, he or she will be under intense scrutiny 24/7 and will no doubt face serious criticism every time they try to make a decision, more than any A&M President has had to endure in the past.
This is no longer about leading or leadership. Its strictly about blind obedience and acquiescence with no voice or input.
Not a good day for Texas A&M.
Good. Hire a true conservative. Flush every DEI administrator, prof, and lecturer this school hired in the last twenty years.
Yep, especially those who advocate for wheelchair ramps, special seating at Kyle Field, handicapped parking permits, and accessible dorm rooms. Special treatment has got to end!
Are you saying that gender dysphoria is a mental handicap?
It's amazing how often the "most qualified" candidate in our "meritocracy" doesn't need a wheelchair ramp, larger print, a walker, or an adapted workspace in order to do their job. A lot of people are ignorant about what DEI includes.
We are lumping handicaps in with DEI now? What nonsense is that?
DEI is Marxism wrapped up in a cute little acronym. And racist against white people. It has no business anywhere near any educstiinal or business setting anywhere in this country.
FTAG 2000 said:94chem said:BusterAg said:94chem said:FTAG 2000 said:Hedley Lamar said:
Good luck to whoever dares to step into this mess we have created for our leaders at A&M, especially the President. No matter who gets selected next, he or she will be under intense scrutiny 24/7 and will no doubt face serious criticism every time they try to make a decision, more than any A&M President has had to endure in the past.
This is no longer about leading or leadership. Its strictly about blind obedience and acquiescence with no voice or input.
Not a good day for Texas A&M.
Good. Hire a true conservative. Flush every DEI administrator, prof, and lecturer this school hired in the last twenty years.
Yep, especially those who advocate for wheelchair ramps, special seating at Kyle Field, handicapped parking permits, and accessible dorm rooms. Special treatment has got to end!
Are you saying that gender dysphoria is a mental handicap?
It's amazing how often the "most qualified" candidate in our "meritocracy" doesn't need a wheelchair ramp, larger print, a walker, or an adapted workspace in order to do their job. A lot of people are ignorant about what DEI includes.
We are lumping handicaps in with DEI now? What nonsense is that?
DEI is Marxism wrapped up in a cute little acronym. And racist against white people. It has no business anywhere near any educstiinal or business setting anywhere in this country.
If you had a disability, you would know.
94chem,
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
sanangelo said:vwbug said:
I will add:
Welsh, born in San Antonio in 1954 to a World War II veteran, forged a 40-year U.S. Air Force career, achieving four-star general status and recognition for his leadership and combat prowess. As a command pilot with more than 3,000 hours in aircraft like the F-16 and A-10 Thunderbolt II, he earned two Distinguished Flying Crosses for valor in the Gulf War and War on Terrorism. He led squadrons, wings, and major commands, including U.S. Air Forces in Europe, managing operations across 51 countries and aiding U.S. Africa Command during international crises. Welsh also served as Associate Director for Military Affairs at the CIA, linking military and intelligence efforts.
Appointed by President Barack Obama (Boo! But at this point in his career, you guys elected Obama so he had no choice) as the 20th Chief of Staff of the Air Force from 2012 to 2016, he oversaw 600,000 personnel, contributed to Joint Chiefs strategy, and managed budgets while preparing for conflicts in regions like Syria and the South China Sea.
Honored with the Order of the Sword from enlisted airmen and named an honorary Tuskegee Airman, Welsh retired in 2016 with awards including three Defense Distinguished Service Medals and the French Legion of Honour.
He later became dean of Texas A&M's Bush School of Government & Public Service before taking the presidency in 2023without a full search processafter M. Katherine Banks left amid a DEI-related (journalism dept. head) hiring issue. At the time, he was commended for his stabilizing influence.
The question:
There is an open question as to whether A&M can find a candidate more qualified than Welsh to lead Texas A&M, a school founded under the Morrill Act of 1862, steeped in engineering and military heritage. The Morrill Act mandated at least one college in the state would teach "military tactics" along with agriculture and the "mechanic arts."
We messed up on this one in the name of ideological purity. I get it. We were all inundated with DEI and wokeness since 2020 by the radical left and this is payback. However, A&M is throwing out the baby with the bathwater on this one and I'm against abortion.
Welsh thought his own judgement was more important than the judgement of the Chancellor, the Board of Regents, the Governor of Texas, and the people of the state of Texas that voted for the legislature that passed the law that he was unwilling to follow.
That is definitely a man of principles. Just the wrong principles for Texas A&M University.
In the end, despite all that he accomplished in life, he was willing to fight for DEI to the bitter end. He just picked the wrong battle, and that showed a huge amount of arrogance and a significant lack of judgement.
It takes a special kind of brainwashed useful idiot to politically defend government fraud, waste, and abuse.
He picked his hill so to speak
sanangelo said:
I am not going to agree that this decorated 4-star general lied based off of a curated audio tape posted on X by State Rep. Brian Harrison. The whole thing was a setup and the way this went down was dishonest.
Yet, I get it. MAGA needs scalps due to the extreme woke we endured. We want payback. I just wish we'd setup the bad guys instead of our own good guys like Welsh.
Are you accusing someone of doctoring the tape, or editing it to remove parts of the conversation? That would be really important news.
In my opinion, this is a very significant example of confirmation bias. The data is contrary to an opinion that you would like to keep, so you immediately dismiss it with no significant evidence to do so.
I would be very interested to learn any new evidence about whether or not the audio tape was altered. Forensic experts could do that lightning quick with today's tools. It would make me reconsider the propriety of Welsh's firing, very significantly. But, until that evidence exists, I'm going with Occam's razor that, given all his support for DEI, this man just can't put the DEI stick down to save his career.
It takes a special kind of brainwashed useful idiot to politically defend government fraud, waste, and abuse.
pacecar02 said:
He picked his hill so to speak
I typed that euphemism in my first edition of that post, but removed it, because it just seems tacky at this point in time.
But, the idea of the euphemism fits this set of events.
It takes a special kind of brainwashed useful idiot to politically defend government fraud, waste, and abuse.
He's been pushing DEI and trying to subvert the will of the people of Texas since he was hired. Obsessed with DEI and it finally bit him in the ass. He wasn't "one of our own good guys".
I too would like to see evidence for this accusation. However, it's beyond refutation that Welsh was informed and knew about this class and this student. In his statement a couple of weeks ago that this was the first time he was hearing about it he was clearly not being forthright. No one, to my knowledge, is refuting the content of this recording. It would seem to be, on the whole, fairly representative of what Gen. Welsh believed and communicated to the student.
Furthermore, as has been pointed out above this was not the first time that Gen. Welsh has been found to be circumventing the Board of Regents and the state Legislature. We have at least one zoom call where he made it clear that TAMU would continue to try and circumvent Regent and Legislature guidance and laws regarding DEI and teaching of sexual orientation.
It is beyond dispute that Gen. Welsh believed in both DEI and the teaching of sexual orientation. Whatever you may think about those personally is irrelevant. The government of the state of Texas has been clear about both and for TAMU to try and circumvent the state on those subjects is wrong and their should be repercussions for all of those involved.
Personally, I think this was a setup. However, all the setup showed was that people were at best continually circumventing the law and intent of the Legislature and Regents if not outright breaking the law. It was good that we all found out and that it was made clear this behavior is unacceptable. In reality this was investigative reporting. Do we have a problem with investigative reporting?
Furthermore, as has been pointed out above this was not the first time that Gen. Welsh has been found to be circumventing the Board of Regents and the state Legislature. We have at least one zoom call where he made it clear that TAMU would continue to try and circumvent Regent and Legislature guidance and laws regarding DEI and teaching of sexual orientation.
It is beyond dispute that Gen. Welsh believed in both DEI and the teaching of sexual orientation. Whatever you may think about those personally is irrelevant. The government of the state of Texas has been clear about both and for TAMU to try and circumvent the state on those subjects is wrong and their should be repercussions for all of those involved.
Personally, I think this was a setup. However, all the setup showed was that people were at best continually circumventing the law and intent of the Legislature and Regents if not outright breaking the law. It was good that we all found out and that it was made clear this behavior is unacceptable. In reality this was investigative reporting. Do we have a problem with investigative reporting?
This seems like a consequence of an over-correction of cancel culture.
For years you couldn't be like "hey maybe if a 6 year old boy says he's a girl we shouldn't take him all that seriously" without fear of losing your job or being blasted all over the internet.
Now we've gone the other way and we're pushing out University presidents for not wanting to get pushed around by a bratty child on social media.
For years you couldn't be like "hey maybe if a 6 year old boy says he's a girl we shouldn't take him all that seriously" without fear of losing your job or being blasted all over the internet.
Now we've gone the other way and we're pushing out University presidents for not wanting to get pushed around by a bratty child on social media.
Drum5343 said:
This seems like a consequence of an over-correction of cancel culture.
For years you couldn't be like "hey maybe if a 6 year old boy says he's a girl we shouldn't take him all that seriously" without fear of losing your job or being blasted all over the internet.
Now we've gone the other way and we're pushing out University presidents for not wanting to get pushed around by a bratty child on social media.
That is what you glean from this situation? He did not act in a representative manner of Texas A&M.
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Useless *******.
At the end of the day generals are just politicians in uniform and like any other job some are good and some are bad. Welsh had a history of DEI, the board and Abbott never should have approved him.
FTAG 2000 said:94chem said:BusterAg said:94chem said:FTAG 2000 said:Hedley Lamar said:
Good luck to whoever dares to step into this mess we have created for our leaders at A&M, especially the President. No matter who gets selected next, he or she will be under intense scrutiny 24/7 and will no doubt face serious criticism every time they try to make a decision, more than any A&M President has had to endure in the past.
This is no longer about leading or leadership. Its strictly about blind obedience and acquiescence with no voice or input.
Not a good day for Texas A&M.
Good. Hire a true conservative. Flush every DEI administrator, prof, and lecturer this school hired in the last twenty years.
Yep, especially those who advocate for wheelchair ramps, special seating at Kyle Field, handicapped parking permits, and accessible dorm rooms. Special treatment has got to end!
Are you saying that gender dysphoria is a mental handicap?
It's amazing how often the "most qualified" candidate in our "meritocracy" doesn't need a wheelchair ramp, larger print, a walker, or an adapted workspace in order to do their job. A lot of people are ignorant about what DEI includes.
We are lumping handicaps in with DEI now? What nonsense is that?
Literally always has been a part of it.
People are so afraid of these three little letters and making a boogeyman out of them. It's absurd.
Tbh, he was the bratty one on that call.
You can't circumvent your bosses, then lie about it, and keep your job.
You can't circumvent your bosses, then lie about it, and keep your job.
Incorrect...It is a problem in hiring...across many industries from high level executives to lower level employees. Too many people are placed in roles where they are not remotely capable of being successful.
Texas 8&4 said:Drum5343 said:
This seems like a consequence of an over-correction of cancel culture.
For years you couldn't be like "hey maybe if a 6 year old boy says he's a girl we shouldn't take him all that seriously" without fear of losing your job or being blasted all over the internet.
Now we've gone the other way and we're pushing out University presidents for not wanting to get pushed around by a bratty child on social media.
That is what you glean from this situation? He did not act in a representative manner of Texas A&M.
Yes.
I think, at least in part, the outrage over this is manufactured or artificially ginned up. Just like the left does so often by getting offended and pissed off about something that doesn't really matter.
Mario Craver and KC Concepcion disagree the the NIL part.
Drum5343 said:Texas 8&4 said:Drum5343 said:
This seems like a consequence of an over-correction of cancel culture.
For years you couldn't be like "hey maybe if a 6 year old boy says he's a girl we shouldn't take him all that seriously" without fear of losing your job or being blasted all over the internet.
Now we've gone the other way and we're pushing out University presidents for not wanting to get pushed around by a bratty child on social media.
That is what you glean from this situation? He did not act in a representative manner of Texas A&M.
Yes.
I think, at least in part, the outrage over this is manufactured or artificially ginned up. Just like the left does so often by getting offended and pissed off about something that doesn't really matter.
Or, we don't gaslight and say there is no issue with DEI and we stick to our principles that DEI has no place in a merit based society.
Learn about the Texas Nationalist Movement
https://tnm.me
https://tnm.me
Drum5343 said:FTAG 2000 said:94chem said:BusterAg said:94chem said:FTAG 2000 said:Hedley Lamar said:
Good luck to whoever dares to step into this mess we have created for our leaders at A&M, especially the President. No matter who gets selected next, he or she will be under intense scrutiny 24/7 and will no doubt face serious criticism every time they try to make a decision, more than any A&M President has had to endure in the past.
This is no longer about leading or leadership. Its strictly about blind obedience and acquiescence with no voice or input.
Not a good day for Texas A&M.
Good. Hire a true conservative. Flush every DEI administrator, prof, and lecturer this school hired in the last twenty years.
Yep, especially those who advocate for wheelchair ramps, special seating at Kyle Field, handicapped parking permits, and accessible dorm rooms. Special treatment has got to end!
Are you saying that gender dysphoria is a mental handicap?
It's amazing how often the "most qualified" candidate in our "meritocracy" doesn't need a wheelchair ramp, larger print, a walker, or an adapted workspace in order to do their job. A lot of people are ignorant about what DEI includes.
We are lumping handicaps in with DEI now? What nonsense is that?
Literally always has been a part of it.
People are so afraid of these three little letters and making a boogeyman out of them. It's absurd.
Literally has never been a part of it.
94chem said:BusterAg said:94chem said:FTAG 2000 said:Hedley Lamar said:
Good luck to whoever dares to step into this mess we have created for our leaders at A&M, especially the President. No matter who gets selected next, he or she will be under intense scrutiny 24/7 and will no doubt face serious criticism every time they try to make a decision, more than any A&M President has had to endure in the past.
This is no longer about leading or leadership. Its strictly about blind obedience and acquiescence with no voice or input.
Not a good day for Texas A&M.
Good. Hire a true conservative. Flush every DEI administrator, prof, and lecturer this school hired in the last twenty years.
Yep, especially those who advocate for wheelchair ramps, special seating at Kyle Field, handicapped parking permits, and accessible dorm rooms. Special treatment has got to end!
Are you saying that gender dysphoria is a mental handicap?
It's amazing how often the "most qualified" candidate in our "meritocracy" doesn't need a wheelchair ramp, larger print, a walker, or an adapted workspace in order to do their job. A lot of people are ignorant about what DEI includes.
Pretty sure this man wasn't hired due to his disability.
I would not equate homosexuality with a physical disability. That cheapens the experience of people with a disability.
If DEI was about physical disabilities, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Its the inclusion of sexual preferences and race that makes DEI so controversial, not the accommodations of physical handicaps.
But you knew that, and still furthered this argument that is specious, insipid, and nothing more than trying to distract the argument with an emotional plea that is unfounded in reality.
Pretty sure that the vast majority of conservatives in America that have a physical handicap hate your argument with a searing passion.
It takes a special kind of brainwashed useful idiot to politically defend government fraud, waste, and abuse.
Tea Party said:Drum5343 said:Texas 8&4 said:Drum5343 said:
This seems like a consequence of an over-correction of cancel culture.
For years you couldn't be like "hey maybe if a 6 year old boy says he's a girl we shouldn't take him all that seriously" without fear of losing your job or being blasted all over the internet.
Now we've gone the other way and we're pushing out University presidents for not wanting to get pushed around by a bratty child on social media.
That is what you glean from this situation? He did not act in a representative manner of Texas A&M.
Yes.
I think, at least in part, the outrage over this is manufactured or artificially ginned up. Just like the left does so often by getting offended and pissed off about something that doesn't really matter.
Or, we don't gaslight and say there is no issue with DEI and we stick to our principles that DEI has no place in a merit based society.
If you think we're a 100% merit based society with no room for discussion about how to improve the implementation of that (I.e. DEI properly understood as removing barriers to let merit truly shine) then you have let your hatred for the left blind you.
Stonegateag85 said:
Mario Craver and KC Concepcion disagree the the NIL part.
Grow up.
We all love Aggie football but this is about the very soul of our country. It's a literal culture war.
You people that keep lamenting how this might affect the football team are living in a fantasy world. Pull your heads out.
Drum5343 said:Tea Party said:Drum5343 said:Texas 8&4 said:Drum5343 said:
This seems like a consequence of an over-correction of cancel culture.
For years you couldn't be like "hey maybe if a 6 year old boy says he's a girl we shouldn't take him all that seriously" without fear of losing your job or being blasted all over the internet.
Now we've gone the other way and we're pushing out University presidents for not wanting to get pushed around by a bratty child on social media.
That is what you glean from this situation? He did not act in a representative manner of Texas A&M.
Yes.
I think, at least in part, the outrage over this is manufactured or artificially ginned up. Just like the left does so often by getting offended and pissed off about something that doesn't really matter.
Or, we don't gaslight and say there is no issue with DEI and we stick to our principles that DEI has no place in a merit based society.
If you think we're a 100% merit based society with no room for discussion about how to improve the implementation of that (I.e. DEI properly understood as removing barriers to let merit truly shine) then you have let your hatred for the left blind you.
This is absurd...DEI has had a grave impact on many companies...
My position is (maybe unrelated to this particular situation) there's a middle ground between "equity of outcome for all yaaay hippy flowers!!" And "DEI is literally from the devil and we as a Christian nation should destroy anyone who suggests otherwise".
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