So how does an application for a PD work? Does a judge review it and can he say "hey I looked at your GoFundMe and saw you'd raised over a million bucks. WTF?"

I think KA is going to get a guilty verdict but the sentence will be light. I hope I'm wrong for a number of reasons, but I think they will say that he was only 17 when he committed the crime and give him no more than 20 years. Should be life since this guy is very clearly a loose cannon and odds are slim that prison will do anything to make him less unstable, plus the fact that he will get out of jail having served only part of that 20 years, be around 30 with a felony record, and have nothing to to fall back on work-wise likely leading to a life of criminal activity.

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There's no question he killed Austin, so this will have to come down to a sympathetic jury and spring he had some kind of self defense claim with expert witnesses.

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Cannot believe there is a respectable qualified expert who could testify it was self defense.

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Who said anything about respectable?

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There's no question he killed Austin, so this will have to come down to a sympathetic jury and spring he had some kind of self defense claim with expert witnesses.

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Cannot believe there is a respectable qualified expert who could testify it was self defense.

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Who said anything about respectable?

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Texas isn't Massachusetts. We have to qualify our witnesses here. Or had to, since I haven't been in a courtroom for quite awhile.

Professional qualifications aren't moral scruples

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Professional qualifications aren't moral scruples

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Fair enough. <sigh>

Officer Brandon Tatum has spoken on his channel about this case a lot. I value what he has to say as a former LEO. He explained the differences between murder 1, murder 2, and manslaughter, as well as what instances would constitute premeditation. He did a great job of laying out exactly why this is going to go to trial as premeditated murder and how self defense is unlikely to work, if anyone is interested.

I can't even think of what an expert on self defense could even say in this case. (Based on the current facts known)

It won't go to trial

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Officer Brandon Tatum has spoken on his channel about this case a lot. I value what he has to say as a former LEO. He explained the differences between murder 1, murder 2, and manslaughter, as well as what instances would constitute premeditation. He did a great job of laying out exactly why this is going to go to trial as premeditated murder and how self defense is unlikely to work, if anyone is interested.

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Or you could read this thread, where several posters lay it out succinctly and in less time than a video takes!

(FYI: There is no murder 1 or murder 2 in Texas)

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It won't go to trial

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Oh I agree with you on that! This is just a matter of how much bend the DA is willing to offer on a plea and whether Anthony listens to good advice.

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So, if I'm understanding correctly, the Anthony family hired a rather impressive defense attorney (Mike Howard) but is now saying they want to go with the public defender instead?

How long have they had Mike Howard on retainer? Isn't he their second defense attorney? If so, I would say it sounds like both Mike and previous guy told this family that Karmelo needs to try hard for a plea bargain because there is no way he is getting a not guilty verdict and the family is not willing to accept that.

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if there is one black person on that jury he walks, family knows that this is like OJ all over again.

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Except there were no witnesses to the OJ murders whereas there are several to this murder and video footage and a confession. This ass hole is guilty AF.

As many have pointed out, it's almost a certainty that the attorney pulled the parents aside and said "look, I talked a big game for the cameras but yo boy is going to the pen".

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id say OJ case had more hard evidence in his guilt than this one, I hope I am wrong but Im thinking he will walk going to be hard for the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt

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LOL. That makes no sense man! Why would it be hard?

And so much of that hard evidence was never presented at trial.

What? There were no witnesses in the OJ case who saw him do it, in broad daylight. The circumstantial evidence (footprints, knife, location testimony, glove 'didn't fit' etc) was quite clear ultimately but…the direct evidence here is vastly greater.

I feel like the media that was granted access to the school's security footage saying that this looks bad has changed things a bit. Several in the liberal media said that there was no footage that showed Austin as being aggressive. There is speculation that Anthony brandished the weapon which is why Austin pushed him. That makes Anthony the clear aggressor and the self-defense claim is done.

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So, if I'm understanding correctly, the Anthony family hired a rather impressive defense attorney (Mike Howard) but is now saying they want to go with the public defender instead?

How long have they had Mike Howard on retainer? Isn't he their second defense attorney? If so, I would say it sounds like both Mike and previous guy told this family that Karmelo needs to try hard for a plea bargain because there is no way he is getting a not guilty verdict and the family is not willing to accept that.

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Maybe they want a PD so they can later blame a PD as poor counsel as basis for appeal. These pieces of **** are fomenting racial discord and pockets hundreds of thousands. Prostitutes look down at them.

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Parents trying to grift their way to millionaire status while their son serves 25 to life.

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Restitution should take care of that.

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Parents trying to grift their way to millionaire status while their son serves 25 to life.

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Restitution should take care of that.

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What does that mean? Why would parents have to pay restitution?

In the unlikely event they lost a civil case, that money will be LONG gone.

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So, if I'm understanding correctly, the Anthony family hired a rather impressive defense attorney (Mike Howard) but is now saying they want to go with the public defender instead?

How long have they had Mike Howard on retainer? Isn't he their second defense attorney? If so, I would say it sounds like both Mike and previous guy told this family that Karmelo needs to try hard for a plea bargain because there is no way he is getting a not guilty verdict and the family is not willing to accept that.

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Are you that racist or do you not see how painting every black person with such a broad brush is a problem?

The witness descriptions and if there is any phone video will be key. I don't think the security video showed anything that would help self defense, but from what I understand, it was far enough and grainy enough where you couldn't make much of anything out at all. So doesn't necessarily help the prosecution a great deal either, other than there was no blatant altercation/tussle/melee or anything that helped the defense

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The witness descriptions and if there is any phone video will be key. I don't think the security video showed anything that would help self defense, but from what I understand, it was far enough and grainy enough where you couldn't make much of anything out at all. So doesn't necessarily help the prosecution a great deal either, other than there was no blatant altercation/melee or anything that helped the defense

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There does not appear to be any defense here, that I can see.

Anthony was in the wrong team tent. Possibly could have been inadvertent but doesn't appear so. Anthony brought a knife to a school function on school grounds, in and of itself a potential crime, maybe rising to a felony? Also could indicate some degree of premeditation to do something.

I have not seen indications that Anthony even knew Metcalf previously. Then again, motive is helpful but not a required element for murder.

So that leaves us with some type of altercation or confrontation preceding the stabbing. Heat of passion type thing? Again the evidence thus far on that is weak if even existent. Not only video but many eye witnesses were present.

Then the flight leaving the scene by Anthony, attempted disposal of the murder weapon. He admission he killed him, or stabbed Metcalf to be more precise.

He's out on bond, so no insanity defense, else he'd be hospitalized for observation.

If the blade was less than 5.5", it was not against the law for him to have it. Sounds like it was under.

As I said, eyewitnesses to whatever that immediately preceded the stabbing will be key. The defense is if any of these kids are willing to say Metcalf was the first to get physical. Likely disproportionate response even if that was the case, but that might at least lower his jail time were someone to testify to that

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I think KA is going to get a guilty verdict but the sentence will be light. I hope I'm wrong for a number of reasons, but I think they will say that he was only 17 when he committed the crime and give him no more than 20 years. Should be life since this guy is very clearly a loose cannon and odds are slim that prison will do anything to make him less unstable, plus the fact that he will get out of jail having served only part of that 20 years, be around 30 with a felony record, and have nothing to to fall back on work-wise likely leading to a life of criminal activity.

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I live in Collin County and I know the Collin county judicial system very well. The district attorney Greg WILLIS will go for the jugular.

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If the blade was less than 5.5", it was not against the law for him to have it. Sounds like it was under.

As I said, eyewitnesses to whatever that immediately preceded the stabbing will be key. The defense is if any of these kids are willing to say Metcalf was the first to get physical. Likely disproportionate response even if that was the case, but that might at least lower his jail time were someone to testify to that

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Having it is not the same as carrying it in his bag in a place where it is forbidden.

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If the blade was less than 5.5", it was not against the law for him to have it. Sounds like it was under.

As I said, eyewitnesses to whatever that immediately preceded the stabbing will be key. The defense is if any of these kids are willing to say Metcalf was the first to get physical. Likely disproportionate response even if that was the case, but that might at least lower his jail time were someone to testify to that

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The video shows nothing physical from Austin as I understand it

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So, if I'm understanding correctly, the Anthony family hired a rather impressive defense attorney (Mike Howard) but is now saying they want to go with the public defender instead?

How long have they had Mike Howard on retainer? Isn't he their second defense attorney? If so, I would say it sounds like both Mike and previous guy told this family that Karmelo needs to try hard for a plea bargain because there is no way he is getting a not guilty verdict and the family is not willing to accept that.

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Are you that racist or do you not see how painting every black person with such a broad brush is a problem?

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It's easier and recommended to use a single brush. Pro tip.

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There's no question he killed Austin, so this will have to come down to a sympathetic jury and spring he had some kind of self defense claim with expert witnesses.

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"Respectable" is the key term. I'm sure they'll find some academic who will argue that Austin merely confronting Anthony was an aggressive act due to traditional racial power imbalances, or some such garbage.

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If the blade was less than 5.5", it was not against the law for him to have it. Sounds like it was under.

As I said, eyewitnesses to whatever that immediately preceded the stabbing will be key. The defense is if any of these kids are willing to say Metcalf was the first to get physical. Likely disproportionate response even if that was the case, but that might at least lower his jail time were someone to testify to that

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The video shows nothing physical from Austin as I understand it

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The video doesn't really show anything at all because it's far and grainy

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If the blade was less than 5.5", it was not against the law for him to have it. Sounds like it was under.

As I said, eyewitnesses to whatever that immediately preceded the stabbing will be key. The defense is if any of these kids are willing to say Metcalf was the first to get physical. Likely disproportionate response even if that was the case, but that might at least lower his jail time were someone to testify to that

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Having it is not the same as carrying it in his bag in a place where it is forbidden.

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Location restrictions only apply to over 5.5", which is why I made the distinction. I don't know how long this knife was, but it sounds like it was under since they didn't bring that charge

https://www.tasb.org/resources/esource/fact-sheet-on-location-restricted-knives-at-school

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Karmelo Anthony’s Family Spox Characterizes Upcoming Murder Trial as a ‘Fight Against White Supremacy’ https://t.co/08McpPF8in

— The Gateway Pundit (@gatewaypundit) June 26, 2025

You can't argue the facts or the law, there's only one thing left to do.

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yep and there it is, how a majority of black Americans feel in my opinion.