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Your favored polls

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"My polls" are the RCP and 538 averages of polls…neither of which are averaging polls on this topic…

I'm sorry the polling averages were accurate for DeDantis's chances…

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But again, was ANY politician going to meaningfully breka Trump's hold on this cycle?

The % of Trump voters who would consider changing their vote EVEN IF HE'S IN JAIL come Election Day is <20% according to some polls. No politician in this country has ever had that kind of hold on their voting base.

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Agree…precisely why I think DeSantis's 2024 run was too early with Trump still viable…

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But Trump won't be viable when he's convicted.

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FireAg said:

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Your favored polls

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"My polls" are the RCP and 538 averages of polls…neither of which are averaging polls on this topic…

I'm sorry the polling averages were accurate for DeDantis's chances…

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According to the polls you use so much, Trump LOST to Biden on election day.

Were the polls wrong?

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Regardless, Biden and the Dems could not be happier because DeSantis was the biggest threat to Biden getting a second term.

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how can you say that if he can't even win a primary?

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Do you not understand the difference between republican primary voters in Iowa versus the general do election where everyone votes?

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Do you understand that if Desantis couldn't persuade gop voters he wasn't getting the crossover vote?

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No, I don't because that's completely illogical. Persuading a MAGA wing is nowhere near the same as peeling off true swing voters.

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Ok so Ron doesn't appeal to GOP voters but he will swing voters? ok dude

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I know Trumpers are new to this whole politics thing, but you do understand those are two different populations right?

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lol I saw my candidate win a presidential election in 2016 and you? I also know the coveted swing vote is not really that big and is generally overstated, most people know who they are voting when they walk in the booth.

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And all of us saw your candidate lose to a potato in 2020.

Congrats???

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You say he lost, many upon many folks still believe it was stolen…

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Ok?

They're wrong.

But, I get that they cannot believe that the man they have such an emotional attachment to could possible lose. Hell, they've already started the excuses just in case he loses yet again.

They love him so they don't understand that lots of people HATE him.

I'm not in the hate group, though. I'm in the sick and tired of the middle school antics group from man who is almost as old as my father.

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You're in the full of **** group, got it.

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Yes. He's full of **** and I'm tired of it.

Even though I voted for him twice.

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You don't hate him but dedicate your posting to detest him in any way possible. That totally checks out.

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I "detest" him?

No. I'm ****ing tired of a geriatric acting like a 12 year old who is now only concerned with getting elected to build back his butthurt ego from 2020.

And I'm pretty sure that now the chances of getting rid of Biden have shrunk. Because I REALLY want to get rid of Biden.

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Isn't that whole post pretty silly and more indicative of you? He hurts your feelings because of his delivery so you'll call him a ****ing geriatric and whine about a butthurt ego?

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He hasn't hurt my feelings.

Sorry that my view of him has hurt yours, though.

I want to get rid of Biden.

You want to vote for Trump.

We are not the same.

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You're right, I'd never want to be so miserable, and I don't care about you but it's amusing to see you so upset but without anything more than you don't like how he says things. I don't believe you voted for him twice and I doubt you'll ever vote for him. You sound like a concerned moderate that is trying to parade around as a "real conservative"

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Upset? That's amusing in itself. I'm not upset.

I would have liked a candidate that was Not Trump to run, but I'm used to the GOP running ****ty candidates by now so I guess you could say I'm resigned to it.

BTW, in 2016 I VERY reluctantly voted for Trump - I spent probably 10 min in the booth just staring at the top line (I voted downballot first) before pulling the lever for him.

However, in 2020, I enthusiastically voted for him. I liked most of the stuff he had done (covid response notwithstanding). I agree all this legal stuff is bull***** But, that doesn't mean I think he should be POTUS in 2024. He's not the same candidate in 2024 as he was in 2020.

But, I'll give you credit for going back to the insults...I needed the additional chuckle.

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Thanks for reinforcing what I said.

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I expect most of the DeSantis votes to go to Haley now. This will make the race much closer.

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You don't know many DeSantis supporters then. They will likely split 80/20 Trump.

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If TexAgs is any indication, I would say that 50% of Desantis supporters will vote for Biden or throw their vote away on a third-party candidate, 20% will abstain to teach the GOP a lesson, and the remaining 30% will hold their nose and vote for Trump. The only adults with any semblance of emotional maturity are the latter group.

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Texags is absolutely not an indication of the general population. If you are posting on a politics board you keep up with politics more than 99% of the population. Over 90% of DeSantis supporters will vote for Trump.

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Did something happen today other than DeSsntis suspending? There are people losing their minds on here.

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My guess is it is a bunch of liberals and "moderates" who have been playing as DeSantis fans. Trump is their kryptonite and they fall apart thinking it will be him again.

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I figured when DeSantis checked out some of these fake conservatives would have to reset and lose their minds.

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I expect most of the DeSantis votes to go to Haley now. This will make the race much closer.

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You don't know many DeSantis supporters then. They will likely split 80/20 Trump.

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If TexAgs is any indication, I would say that 50% of Desantis supporters will vote for Biden or throw their vote away on a third-party candidate, 20% will abstain to teach the GOP a lesson, and the remaining 30% will hold their nose and vote for Trump. The only adults with any semblance of emotional maturity are the latter group.

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Texags is absolutely not an indication of the general population. If you are posting on a politics board you keep up with politics more than 99% of the population. Over 90% of DeSantis supporters will vote for Trump.

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Maybe there's just a loud minority of Desantis supporters on here that have TDS. Their heads are about to explode. I find it funny how they can be so wrong about Ron's chance for success in the primary yet still feel so confident that Trump will assuredly lose the general to Biden. They're not very good prognosticators.

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Regardless, Biden and the Dems could not be happier because DeSantis was the biggest threat to Biden getting a second term.

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how can you say that if he can't even win a primary?

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Do you not understand the difference between republican primary voters in Iowa versus the general do election where everyone votes?

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Do you understand that if Desantis couldn't persuade gop voters he wasn't getting the crossover vote?

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No, I don't because that's completely illogical. Persuading a MAGA wing is nowhere near the same as peeling off true swing voters.

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Ok so Ron doesn't appeal to GOP voters but he will swing voters? ok dude

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I know Trumpers are new to this whole politics thing, but you do understand those are two different populations right?

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lol I saw my candidate win a presidential election in 2016 and you? I also know the coveted swing vote is not really that big and is generally overstated, most people know who they are voting when they walk in the booth.

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And all of us saw your candidate lose to a potato in 2020.

Congrats???

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You say he lost, many upon many folks still believe it was stolen…

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Ok?

They're wrong.

But, I get that they cannot believe that the man they have such an emotional attachment to could possible lose. Hell, they've already started the excuses just in case he loses yet again.

They love him so they don't understand that lots of people HATE him.

I'm not in the hate group, though. I'm in the sick and tired of the middle school antics group from man who is almost as old as my father.

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You're in the full of **** group, got it.

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Yes. He's full of **** and I'm tired of it.

Even though I voted for him twice.

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You don't hate him but dedicate your posting to detest him in any way possible. That totally checks out.

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I "detest" him?

No. I'm ****ing tired of a geriatric acting like a 12 year old who is now only concerned with getting elected to build back his butthurt ego from 2020.

And I'm pretty sure that now the chances of getting rid of Biden have shrunk. Because I REALLY want to get rid of Biden.

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Isn't that whole post pretty silly and more indicative of you? He hurts your feelings because of his delivery so you'll call him a ****ing geriatric and whine about a butthurt ego?

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He hasn't hurt my feelings.

Sorry that my view of him has hurt yours, though.

I want to get rid of Biden.

You want to vote for Trump.

We are not the same.

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You're right, I'd never want to be so miserable, and I don't care about you but it's amusing to see you so upset but without anything more than you don't like how he says things. I don't believe you voted for him twice and I doubt you'll ever vote for him. You sound like a concerned moderate that is trying to parade around as a "real conservative"

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Upset? That's amusing in itself. I'm not upset.

I would have liked a candidate that was Not Trump to run, but I'm used to the GOP running ****ty candidates by now so I guess you could say I'm resigned to it.

BTW, in 2016 I VERY reluctantly voted for Trump - I spent probably 10 min in the booth just staring at the top line (I voted downballot first) before pulling the lever for him.

However, in 2020, I enthusiastically voted for him. I liked most of the stuff he had done (covid response notwithstanding). I agree all this legal stuff is bull***** But, that doesn't mean I think he should be POTUS in 2024. He's not the same candidate in 2024 as he was in 2020.

But, I'll give you credit for going back to the insults...I needed the additional chuckle.

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Thanks for reinforcing what I said.

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Your reading comprehension is poor.

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You brought up viability.

Nearly all the polls have asked this in their surveys, but it doesn't get reported in the top line results.
See page 16
https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2024-01/Reuters%20Ipsos%20Large%20Sample%20Survey%20%23%201%20January%202024%20Topline.pdf

This one is for primary voters. Trump loses a third of GOP voters here.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/12/19/us/elections/times-siena-poll-likely-electorate-crosstabs.html

RCP doesn't aggregate it either.

If convicted, it's going to be an electoral disaster. Say what you will about the validity of the charges, Trump avoiding conviction on every one of the 91 charges is extremely unlikely.

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FireAg said:

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You brought up viability.

Nearly all the polls have asked this in their surveys, but it doesn't get reported in the top line results.
See page 16
https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2024-01/Reuters%20Ipsos%20Large%20Sample%20Survey%20%23%201%20January%202024%20Topline.pdf

This one is for primary voters. Trump loses a third of GOP voters here.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/12/19/us/elections/times-siena-poll-likely-electorate-crosstabs.html

RCP doesn't aggregate it either.

If convicted, it's going to be an electoral disaster. Say what you will about the validity of the charges, Trump avoiding conviction on every one of the 91 charges is extremely unlikely.

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The validity of the charges is laughable…

The people pursuing these things are enemies of the republic…something is eventually going to have to come to a head…and the there will be blood in the streets…

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Indictments sure, but if convicted no.

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FireAg said:

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You brought up viability.

Nearly all the polls have asked this in their surveys, but it doesn't get reported in the top line results.
See page 16
https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2024-01/Reuters%20Ipsos%20Large%20Sample%20Survey%20%23%201%20January%202024%20Topline.pdf

This one is for primary voters. Trump loses a third of GOP voters here.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/12/19/us/elections/times-siena-poll-likely-electorate-crosstabs.html

RCP doesn't aggregate it either.

If convicted, it's going to be an electoral disaster. Say what you will about the validity of the charges, Trump avoiding conviction on every one of the 91 charges is extremely unlikely.

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The validity of the charges is laughable…

The people pursuing these things are enemies of the republic…something is eventually going to have to come to a head…and the there will be blood in the streets…

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And every time the crooked dems and DOJ pull something, his support gets stronger. Go figure!

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And every time the crooked dems and DOJ pull something, his support gets stronger. Go figure!

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His GOP primary support...

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America's Sweetheart Ron DeSantis is hanging up his heels and suspending his presidential campaign. Take a look back with us at his spectacular disaster of a campaign. Laugh at what was, enjoy what could have been. pic.twitter.com/Q6erVTefLe

— The Lincoln Project (@ProjectLincoln) January 21, 2024

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You brought up viability.

Nearly all the polls have asked this in their surveys, but it doesn't get reported in the top line results.
See page 16
https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2024-01/Reuters%20Ipsos%20Large%20Sample%20Survey%20%23%201%20January%202024%20Topline.pdf

This one is for primary voters. Trump loses a third of GOP voters here.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/12/19/us/elections/times-siena-poll-likely-electorate-crosstabs.html

RCP doesn't aggregate it either.

If convicted, it's going to be an electoral disaster. Say what you will about the validity of the charges, Trump avoiding conviction on every one of the 91 charges is extremely unlikely.

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The validity of the charges is laughable…

The people pursuing these things are enemies of the republic…something is eventually going to have to come to a head…and the there will be blood in the streets…

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BTW, this is the stuff that turns off the independents even though it makes MAGA giddy.

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Well damn, both my guys are now out. Today I am a man without a candidate.

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Rockdoc said:

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Dan Scott said:

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Well damn, both my guys are now out. Today I am a man without a candidate.

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It's safe to say there's gonna be a LOT of unhappy people on Election Day, from all walks of life.

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Not dissing DeSantis because they all do it, but wonder why they say "suspends" their campaign? They are not suspending anything. They should say they are quitting, or dropping out of the race, or throwing in the towel. But politicians are like that, I guess. At least none have said "respect my decision."

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I think it's a technical legal thing that allows them to keep their existing campaign funds banked for later reasons.

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TRM said:

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You brought up viability.

Nearly all the polls have asked this in their surveys, but it doesn't get reported in the top line results.
See page 16
https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2024-01/Reuters%20Ipsos%20Large%20Sample%20Survey%20%23%201%20January%202024%20Topline.pdf

This one is for primary voters. Trump loses a third of GOP voters here.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/12/19/us/elections/times-siena-poll-likely-electorate-crosstabs.html

RCP doesn't aggregate it either.

If convicted, it's going to be an electoral disaster. Say what you will about the validity of the charges, Trump avoiding conviction on every one of the 91 charges is extremely unlikely.

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The validity of the charges is laughable…

The people pursuing these things are enemies of the republic…something is eventually going to have to come to a head…and the there will be blood in the streets…

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BTW, this is the stuff that turns off the independents even though it makes MAGA giddy.

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FireAg said:

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Sorry I was right about the polling averages, and I'm sorry they didn't go your way…

I tried to warn y'all…

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So you DeSantis guys are going to back Trump, right?

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Rockdoc said:

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Well damn, both my guys are now out. Today I am a man without a candidate.

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It's safe to say there's gonna be a LOT of unhappy people on Election Day, from all walks of life.

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Rockdoc said:

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Dan Scott said:

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Well damn, both my guys are now out. Today I am a man without a candidate.

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It's safe to say there's gonna be a LOT of unhappy people on Election Day, from all walks of life.

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I won't be unhappy IF Trump wins.

I WILL be unhappy if Biden wins.

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FireAg said:

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TRM said:

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You brought up viability.

Nearly all the polls have asked this in their surveys, but it doesn't get reported in the top line results.
See page 16
https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2024-01/Reuters%20Ipsos%20Large%20Sample%20Survey%20%23%201%20January%202024%20Topline.pdf

This one is for primary voters. Trump loses a third of GOP voters here.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/12/19/us/elections/times-siena-poll-likely-electorate-crosstabs.html

RCP doesn't aggregate it either.

If convicted, it's going to be an electoral disaster. Say what you will about the validity of the charges, Trump avoiding conviction on every one of the 91 charges is extremely unlikely.

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The validity of the charges is laughable…

The people pursuing these things are enemies of the republic…something is eventually going to have to come to a head…and the there will be blood in the streets…

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BTW, this is the stuff that turns off the independents even though it makes MAGA giddy.

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Oh boo hoo, seriously? So they'd rather waste a vote instead?

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Boo

We deserve the two moronic, dementia-addled liberals then.

Third party it is. This country is filled with abject morons. Trump? Biden? This country is ****ed.

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Splitting the GOP vote is a vote for Biden or whatever commie takes over. You may not like it but it's irrefutable basic math.

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Vote for Trump OR ELSE!

The guilt trip campaign slogan.

My guy sucks balls but the other guy is worse.

Rah Team!

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Stop your whining and show the math to support your position.

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Math?

I'm in Texas. If Trump needs my vote to win, he's REALLY ****ed up the election.

There. Math.

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