Ron DeSantis Suspends Campaign

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In reply to texagbeliever • 3:44p, 1/21/24
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Regardless, Biden and the Dems could not be happier because DeSantis was the biggest threat to Biden getting a second term.
how can you say that if he can't even win a primary?


Do you not understand the difference between republican primary voters in Iowa versus the general do election where everyone votes?
Do you understand that if Desantis couldn't persuade gop voters he wasn't getting the crossover vote?


No, I don't because that's completely illogical. Persuading a MAGA wing is nowhere near the same as peeling off true swing voters.
Ok so Ron doesn't appeal to GOP voters but he will swing voters? ok dude


I know Trumpers are new to this whole politics thing, but you do understand those are two different populations right?
Explain, for us Trumpers, how the most conservative candidate is going to be more appealing to moderates then a moderate candidate (Trump or Haley)?
The majority of the country is Pro-Life like DeSantis. The majority of the country isn't fiscally conservative. Those are truths that some of us deal with, and some people whine about to not accept. Don't be someone who rejects truth.


We already saw Trump lose them in 2020. DeSantis won Miami of all places and massively outperformed Trump in Florida in 2022 so he clearly has an appeal to the middle. Youngkin showed the same thing and Sununu and Kemp have shown it for years. Those people hate Trump's unserious clown show antics but are generally supportive of the conservative movement.

This will be clear when Trump loses (again) in November.
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In reply to GisselMcDonald • 3:48p, 1/21/24
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GisselMcDonald said:
Funky Winkerbean said:
911sAg said:
BenFiasco14 said:
911sAg said:
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911sAg said:
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Regardless, Biden and the Dems could not be happier because DeSantis was the biggest threat to Biden getting a second term.
how can you say that if he can't even win a primary?


Do you not understand the difference between republican primary voters in Iowa versus the general do election where everyone votes?
Do you understand that if Desantis couldn't persuade gop voters he wasn't getting the crossover vote?


No, I don't because that's completely illogical. Persuading a MAGA wing is nowhere near the same as peeling off true swing voters.
Ok so Ron doesn't appeal to GOP voters but he will swing voters? ok dude
He appeals to GOP voters immensely, it's just bad timing. Some of us recognize that there's a culture war to be won first and Trump is better suited to fight it. Once the culture war is won, policy masters such as DeSantis will be needed more. Having DeSantis over the Senate (VP) makes Trump/DeSantis a dream team.
So Trump will tell Jenner stop using the ladies restroom and go to the men's room where he belongs?
He'll position it as a states rights issue as it should be. You know, use the constitution as it's intended.
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In reply to Funky Winkerbean • 3:48p, 1/21/24
Funky Winkerbean said:
Some of us recognize that there's a culture war to be won first and Trump is better suited to fight it.


Trump's proposed policy for fighting wokeness in schools is to create a federal teacher credentialing agency that can elbow into state education systems and certify teachers. Please, enlighten me: how is creating a new federal bureaucracy that will be 90% liberals within a decade and will possess the power to dictate state education requirements winning the culture war? The president of the Heritage Fondation said it would be a complete disaster yet that's his favored policy.

Your boy is an idiot who is good at being rude and incapable of deep policy thought.
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3:50p, 1/21/24
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This is literally the only place in the world where people actually thougjt Desantis would win....

So happy it's over
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In reply to Funky Winkerbean • 3:50p, 1/21/24
Funky Winkerbean said:
J. Walter Weatherman said:
911sAg said:
J. Walter Weatherman said:
911sAg said:
BenFiasco14 said:
911sAg said:
BenFiasco14 said:
911sAg said:
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Regardless, Biden and the Dems could not be happier because DeSantis was the biggest threat to Biden getting a second term.
how can you say that if he can't even win a primary?


Do you not understand the difference between republican primary voters in Iowa versus the general do election where everyone votes?
Do you understand that if Desantis couldn't persuade gop voters he wasn't getting the crossover vote?


No, I don't because that's completely illogical. Persuading a MAGA wing is nowhere near the same as peeling off true swing voters.
Ok so Ron doesn't appeal to GOP voters but he will swing voters? ok dude


I know Trumpers are new to this whole politics thing, but you do understand those are two different populations right?
lol I saw my candidate win a presidential election in 2016 and you? I also know the coveted swing vote is not really that big and is generally overstated, most people know who they are voting when they walk in the booth.


Cool. What happened with those swing voters in 2020 after they got 4 years of Trump's clown show?
You mean the most conservative president in your lifetime?


Maybe if you're 8.
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In reply to MookieBlaylock • 3:51p, 1/21/24
MookieBlaylock said:
This is literally the only place in the world where people actually thougjt Desantis would win....

So happy it's over


Nobody is shocked he didn't win, this is just a final expression of anger at the idiots who foisted him on us.
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In reply to Funky Winkerbean • 3:52p, 1/21/24
Funky Winkerbean said:
911sAg said:
BenFiasco14 said:
911sAg said:
BenFiasco14 said:
911sAg said:
Quote:
Regardless, Biden and the Dems could not be happier because DeSantis was the biggest threat to Biden getting a second term.
how can you say that if he can't even win a primary?


Do you not understand the difference between republican primary voters in Iowa versus the general do election where everyone votes?
Do you understand that if Desantis couldn't persuade gop voters he wasn't getting the crossover vote?


No, I don't because that's completely illogical. Persuading a MAGA wing is nowhere near the same as peeling off true swing voters.
Ok so Ron doesn't appeal to GOP voters but he will swing voters? ok dude
He appeals to GOP voters immensely, it's just bad timing. Some of us recognize that there's a culture war to be won first and Trump is better suited to fight it. Once the culture war is won, policy masters such as DeSantis will be needed more. Having DeSantis over the Senate (VP) makes Trump/DeSantis a dream team.


Unless the "battle" is won by a lot of unhinged all caps tweets and rambling idiotic press conferences he won't do ***** He's not anywhere close to being organized or focused enough to actually accomplish anything (if by some miracle he wins). He's very good appealing to morons though, so I guess he has that going for him.
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In reply to Deputy Travis Junior • 3:52p, 1/21/24
Deputy Travis Junior said:
Funky Winkerbean said:
Some of us recognize that there's a culture war to be won first and Trump is better suited to fight it.


Trump's proposed policy for fighting wokeness in schools is to create a federal teacher credentialing agency that can elbow into state education systems and certify teachers. Please, enlighten me: how is creating a new federal bureaucracy that will be 90% liberals within a decade and will possess the power to dictate state education requirements winning the culture war? The president of the Heritage Fondation said it would be a complete disaster yet that's his favored policy.

Your boy is an idiot who is good at being rude and incapable of deep policy thought.
If you can't see how Trump's policy >>> Biden's policy and worth voting for him, you should maybe just concern yourself wish shallower policy thought. Because you are clearly missing the forest through the trees.
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In reply to BigRobSA • 3:53p, 1/21/24
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BigRobSA said:
Funky Winkerbean said:
J. Walter Weatherman said:
911sAg said:
J. Walter Weatherman said:
911sAg said:
BenFiasco14 said:
911sAg said:
BenFiasco14 said:
911sAg said:
Quote:
Regardless, Biden and the Dems could not be happier because DeSantis was the biggest threat to Biden getting a second term.
how can you say that if he can't even win a primary?


Do you not understand the difference between republican primary voters in Iowa versus the general do election where everyone votes?
Do you understand that if Desantis couldn't persuade gop voters he wasn't getting the crossover vote?


No, I don't because that's completely illogical. Persuading a MAGA wing is nowhere near the same as peeling off true swing voters.
Ok so Ron doesn't appeal to GOP voters but he will swing voters? ok dude


I know Trumpers are new to this whole politics thing, but you do understand those are two different populations right?
lol I saw my candidate win a presidential election in 2016 and you? I also know the coveted swing vote is not really that big and is generally overstated, most people know who they are voting when they walk in the booth.


Cool. What happened with those swing voters in 2020 after they got 4 years of Trump's clown show?
You mean the most conservative president in your lifetime?


Maybe if you're 8.
You're incapable of answering questions using your own thoughts. Not a sign of intelligence.
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In reply to Deputy Travis Junior • 3:53p, 1/21/24
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Deputy Travis Junior said:
Funky Winkerbean said:
Some of us recognize that there's a culture war to be won first and Trump is better suited to fight it.


Trump's proposed policy for fighting wokeness in schools is to create a federal teacher credentialing agency that can elbow into state education systems and certify teachers. Please, enlighten me: how is creating a new federal bureaucracy that will be 90% liberals within a decade and will possess the power to dictate state education requirements winning the culture war? The president of the Heritage Fondation said it would be a complete disaster yet that's his favored policy.

Your boy is an idiot who is good at being rude and incapable of deep policy thought.
Try to stay up to date..

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/13/politics/trump-department-of-education-states-2024/index.html
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In reply to J. Walter Weatherman • 3:54p, 1/21/24
J. Walter Weatherman said:
Funky Winkerbean said:
911sAg said:
BenFiasco14 said:
911sAg said:
BenFiasco14 said:
911sAg said:
Quote:
Regardless, Biden and the Dems could not be happier because DeSantis was the biggest threat to Biden getting a second term.
how can you say that if he can't even win a primary?


Do you not understand the difference between republican primary voters in Iowa versus the general do election where everyone votes?
Do you understand that if Desantis couldn't persuade gop voters he wasn't getting the crossover vote?


No, I don't because that's completely illogical. Persuading a MAGA wing is nowhere near the same as peeling off true swing voters.
Ok so Ron doesn't appeal to GOP voters but he will swing voters? ok dude
He appeals to GOP voters immensely, it's just bad timing. Some of us recognize that there's a culture war to be won first and Trump is better suited to fight it. Once the culture war is won, policy masters such as DeSantis will be needed more. Having DeSantis over the Senate (VP) makes Trump/DeSantis a dream team.


Unless the "battle" is won by a lot of unhinged all caps tweets and rambling idiotic press conferences he won't do ***** He's not anywhere close to being organized or focused enough to actually accomplish anything (if by some miracle he wins). He's very good appealing to morons though, so I guess he has that going for him.

He appeals to me, and I'm a lot more intelligent and successful than you are. Hope that helps.
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In reply to Funky Winkerbean • 3:55p, 1/21/24
Funky Winkerbean said:
BigRobSA said:
Funky Winkerbean said:
J. Walter Weatherman said:
911sAg said:
J. Walter Weatherman said:
911sAg said:
BenFiasco14 said:
911sAg said:
BenFiasco14 said:
911sAg said:
Quote:
Regardless, Biden and the Dems could not be happier because DeSantis was the biggest threat to Biden getting a second term.
how can you say that if he can't even win a primary?


Do you not understand the difference between republican primary voters in Iowa versus the general do election where everyone votes?
Do you understand that if Desantis couldn't persuade gop voters he wasn't getting the crossover vote?


No, I don't because that's completely illogical. Persuading a MAGA wing is nowhere near the same as peeling off true swing voters.
Ok so Ron doesn't appeal to GOP voters but he will swing voters? ok dude


I know Trumpers are new to this whole politics thing, but you do understand those are two different populations right?
lol I saw my candidate win a presidential election in 2016 and you? I also know the coveted swing vote is not really that big and is generally overstated, most people know who they are voting when they walk in the booth.


Cool. What happened with those swing voters in 2020 after they got 4 years of Trump's clown show?
You mean the most conservative president in your lifetime?


Maybe if you're 8.
You're incapable of answering questions using your open thoughts. Not a sign of intelligence.


I reply with the appropriate level of intellectual horsepower. But there's no spit bubble blowing emoji, so I used basic math to figure out the age of someone that your statement might be correct for.
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In reply to SA68AG • 3:56p, 1/21/24
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It's a sad time when the country rejects someone who could actually effectively govern and turn this country around.

I'll vote for Trump in the general as I did in 2016 and 2020 but this time I won't be contributing any money to his campaign - I'm not paying for his legal fees.

I have no doubt Trump will lose the general by continuing to say and do stupid things that will drive independents and suburban women back to Biden even though they know Biden is incompetent and his policies will hurt them economically.

Why do fools pay a billionaire's legal fees?

There is a limit to stupidity.
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In reply to BigRobSA • 3:56p, 1/21/24
BigRobSA said:
Funky Winkerbean said:
BigRobSA said:
Funky Winkerbean said:
J. Walter Weatherman said:
911sAg said:
J. Walter Weatherman said:
911sAg said:
BenFiasco14 said:
911sAg said:
BenFiasco14 said:
911sAg said:
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Regardless, Biden and the Dems could not be happier because DeSantis was the biggest threat to Biden getting a second term.
how can you say that if he can't even win a primary?


Do you not understand the difference between republican primary voters in Iowa versus the general do election where everyone votes?
Do you understand that if Desantis couldn't persuade gop voters he wasn't getting the crossover vote?


No, I don't because that's completely illogical. Persuading a MAGA wing is nowhere near the same as peeling off true swing voters.
Ok so Ron doesn't appeal to GOP voters but he will swing voters? ok dude


I know Trumpers are new to this whole politics thing, but you do understand those are two different populations right?
lol I saw my candidate win a presidential election in 2016 and you? I also know the coveted swing vote is not really that big and is generally overstated, most people know who they are voting when they walk in the booth.


Cool. What happened with those swing voters in 2020 after they got 4 years of Trump's clown show?
You mean the most conservative president in your lifetime?


Maybe if you're 8.
You're incapable of answering questions using your open thoughts. Not a sign of intelligence.


I reply with the appropriate level of intellectual horsepower. But there's no spit bubble blowing emoji, so I used basic math to figure out the age of someone that our statement might be correct for.


Nobody smart votes third party.
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In reply to texagbeliever • 3:59p, 1/21/24
Buddy, it's a guarantee that whatever federal education agency he creates will be run by liberals in a decade, which means this will give them a beach head into state education agencies, which is one of the last real bastions of states' rights. That's a big ****ing deal (as is the fact that Trump is a disaster for down ballot candidates)

This is the stupidest policy proposed by a conservative in decades, full stop.
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In reply to fc2112 • 4:05p, 1/21/24
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Man, this is why I detest the system we have now.

We haven't even had a single primary election yet and the GOP's best candidate has dropped out.

BYW - why do they say they are "suspending" their campaign when they really mean they're quitting?


In this case, I'd imagine that thanks to Trump having the possibility of being ineligible to hold office due to one of the many court hearings he has, with a suspended campaign, DeSantis could come out from it if Trump does wind up not being able to be president because of said court issues he's dealing with.

At least that's how I've been told suspended campaigns can go.
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In reply to Funky Winkerbean • 4:07p, 1/21/24
Cool article from September. here's one from last month

He has said he would establish a government-backed anti-"woke" university, create a national credentialing body to certify teachers "who embrace patriotic values"

https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/trumps-second-term-plans-anti-woke-university-freedom-cities-28f8123d
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4:07p, 1/21/24
Dept of Education should be dissolved and leave it up to the states to handle their business. DoE is nothing but a money pit with no function other to allow the teachers union become a lobbyist.
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In reply to P.H. Dexippus • 4:08p, 1/21/24
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WTF

I hate our current primary system.


Same. Congrats Dems.
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In reply to Old McDonald • 4:10p, 1/21/24
Old McDonald said:
rose to prominence fighting covid lockdowns, then meandered through ill-advised culture war slap fights when there were no more covid lockdowns to fight. not to mention the much more charismatic orange elephant in the room. he was doomed from the start.


Removing gay cartoon porn from grade schools and banning harmful divisive CRT from classrooms (among many other things) is real action…not slap fighting. We don't want our children to grow up in this warped perverted unrecognizable society that you and your peers want them to. Sorry.
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4:12p, 1/21/24
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Just heard this. What a disaster for the future of the GOP.
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In reply to nortex97 • 4:15p, 1/21/24
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And the media intentionally has kept the spotlight almost exclusively on Trump. The string pullers of the left want him to be the guy. He can't win.
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zephyr88 said:
So, the match has been declared...

Republicans - represented by old white man.

Vs.

Democrats - represented by old white man with dementia.

Wonderful.


Na this has all been planned. We will see Biden step down or otherwise be forced out at a time of maximum convenience. And in will step Gavin
And if the 'leader' of one of the worst states in our nation can get elected, God help us all.
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In reply to El Gallo Blanco • 4:15p, 1/21/24
El Gallo Blanco said:
Old McDonald said:
rose to prominence fighting covid lockdowns, then meandered through ill-advised culture war slap fights when there were no more covid lockdowns to fight. not to mention the much more charismatic orange elephant in the room. he was doomed from the start.


Removing gay cartoon porn from grade schools and banning harmful divisive CRT from classrooms (among many other things) is real action…not slap fighting. We don't want our children to grow up in this warped perverted unrecognizable society that you and your peers want them to. Sorry.
Thanks for playing

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In reply to El Gallo Blanco • 4:16p, 1/21/24
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El Gallo Blanco said:
P.H. Dexippus said:
WTF

I hate our current primary system.


Same. Congrats Dems.
Doesn't the same system work the same for the dems (when they're not running against an incumbent)?
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Foreverconservative said:
El Gallo Blanco said:
Old McDonald said:
rose to prominence fighting covid lockdowns, then meandered through ill-advised culture war slap fights when there were no more covid lockdowns to fight. not to mention the much more charismatic orange elephant in the room. he was doomed from the start.


Removing gay cartoon porn from grade schools and banning harmful divisive CRT from classrooms (among many other things) is real action…not slap fighting. We don't want our children to grow up in this warped perverted unrecognizable society that you and your peers want them to. Sorry.
Thanks for playing

Kind of a dick move actually.
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In reply to zephyr88 • 4:19p, 1/21/24
zephyr88 said:
El Gallo Blanco said:
P.H. Dexippus said:
WTF

I hate our current primary system.


Same. Congrats Dems.
Doesn't the same system work the same for the dems (when they're not running against an incumbent)?


Yes. In 2016, Iowa had both Dem and Repub caucii. In 12, nope. 08, yep. Etc
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J. Walter Weatherman said:
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911sAg said:
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Regardless, Biden and the Dems could not be happier because DeSantis was the biggest threat to Biden getting a second term.
how can you say that if he can't even win a primary?


Do you not understand the difference between republican primary voters in Iowa versus the general do election where everyone votes?
Do you understand that if Desantis couldn't persuade gop voters he wasn't getting the crossover vote?


No, I don't because that's completely illogical. Persuading a MAGA wing is nowhere near the same as peeling off true swing voters.
Ok so Ron doesn't appeal to GOP voters but he will swing voters? ok dude
He appeals to GOP voters immensely, it's just bad timing. Some of us recognize that there's a culture war to be won first and Trump is better suited to fight it. Once the culture war is won, policy masters such as DeSantis will be needed more. Having DeSantis over the Senate (VP) makes Trump/DeSantis a dream team.


Unless the "battle" is won by a lot of unhinged all caps tweets and rambling idiotic press conferences he won't do ***** He's not anywhere close to being organized or focused enough to actually accomplish anything (if by some miracle he wins). He's very good appealing to morons though, so I guess he has that going for him.

He appeals to me, and I'm a lot more intelligent and successful than you are. Hope that helps.



Trump appeals to "morons" and "deplorables," who like America first, cheaper food and gas, no wars, equal justice under law and order.
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4:21p, 1/21/24
I'm still a big DeSantis fan, but if Trump is the nominee, I will vote for him. If somehow Trump drops out from legal issues, and the nominee is Haley, I will write in DeSantis.
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In reply to zephyr88 • 4:21p, 1/21/24
zephyr88 said:
El Gallo Blanco said:
P.H. Dexippus said:
WTF

I hate our current primary system.


Same. Congrats Dems.
Doesn't the same system work the same for the dems (when they're not running against an incumbent)?
Except the Democrats primary system doesn't even matter.

The party elites decide the candidate like they did with Biden. 2008 was really the only exception to that because they wanted Hillary, but Obama had his (censored) following and in the end, they couldn't screw him out of it and risk losing the black vote.
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TexAgs91 said:
BigRobSA said:
Boo

We deserve the two moronic, dementia-addled liberals then.

Third party it is. This country is filled with abject morons. Trump? Biden? This country is ****ed.


Splitting the GOP vote is a vote for Biden or whatever commie takes over. You may not like it but it's irrefutable basic math.


Wrong.

The GOP never owned my vote. They have to earn it. By selecting, yet again, a moronic liberal...and now one in mental decline...they failed that task.


So the GOP needs to earn your vote. Sure, I agree. But you're also saying the DNC doesn't need to earn your support. Because they will get it if you don't vote for the Republican nominee.
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In reply to Ag with kids • 4:24p, 1/21/24
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Ag with kids said:
TexAgs91 said:
BigRobSA said:
Boo

We deserve the two moronic, dementia-addled liberals then.

Third party it is. This country is filled with abject morons. Trump? Biden? This country is ****ed.


Splitting the GOP vote is a vote for Biden or whatever commie takes over. You may not like it but it's irrefutable basic math.
Vote for Trump OR ELSE!

The guilt trip campaign slogan.

My guy sucks balls but the other guy is worse.

Rah Team!

Stop your whining and show the math to support your position.
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4:25p, 1/21/24
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Rural America loves Donald J. Trump

Trump 2024 and beyond

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In reply to dmart90 • 4:26p, 1/21/24
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dmart90 said:
TexAgs91 said:
BigRobSA said:
Boo

We deserve the two moronic, dementia-addled liberals then.

Third party it is. This country is filled with abject morons. Trump? Biden? This country is ****ed.


Splitting the GOP vote is a vote for Biden or whatever commie takes over. You may not like it but it's irrefutable basic math.

What a load of horse s***!


Now there's a solid irrefutable wall of logic. Thank you for your contribution.
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El Gallo Blanco said:
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And the media intentionally has kept the spotlight almost exclusively on Trump. The string pullers of the left want him to be the guy. He can't win.
The "he can't win" lamentation needs to just go away. He's winning literally in every major poll in every battleground vs. the Dems puppet candidate who is nearly universally hated. There are zero major policy issues the Democrats can run on. Over the next few months the GOP/America will unify behind the Trump ticket, imho.
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