GarryowenAg said:schwack schwack said:Quote:
or somehow she's violated a rule about researching stuff on her own outside the jury room and they can toss her and replace with an alternate.
You just know she did it, but it would be hard to prove. If she did research she probably borrowed someone else's computer.
You can always put her on the stand and voir dire her.
suburban cowboy said:
Kid is guilty of being innocent
So, let's go over the reversible errors:aggiehawg said:Because of that, I think it is more likely we see some action today. Not saying we get a verdict necessarily nor a declaration of a hung jury but jury misconduct could be on the menu.mkorzo said:
Wonder what kind of independent research on the jury instructions Karen #54 did as she was burning the midnight oil.
I cannot stress how phenomenally bad of a decision it was for the judge to allow jury instructions to be taken home last evening. There could be a lot of ramifications today if jurors from each side took them with them and disobeyed the judge's orders and armed themselves with outside research. Schroeder practically invited such misconduct with that decision.
Colossal blunder.
I'm with you. As plausible as the theory sounds, I'm still going with 10-2, 9-3, 8-4 range that want their pound of bicep flesh out of Kyle. At the 2 or 3 range, they just huddle together in their little cocoon pointing to Little Binger and Butterbean evidence and just won't budge off that. Taking the orders home, they are hoping to burrow in deeper.wbt5845 said:
I know we have all bought into the Juror 54 scenario, but keep in mind that is still just a theory. A good one, but a theory.
What is certain is there is some sort of impasse. And I find it hard to fathom the impasse is anything other than a small number who want to convict KR of SOMETHING because they just don't like him, don't like what he did, etc.
Here's hoping the other jurors rise up against them today. Judge needs to force them to work tomorrow to start making it uncomfortable to accommodate the hold outs.
Damn straight he can. Most judges take jury misconduct pretty seriously.SwigAg11 said:GarryowenAg said:schwack schwack said:Quote:
or somehow she's violated a rule about researching stuff on her own outside the jury room and they can toss her and replace with an alternate.
You just know she did it, but it would be hard to prove. If she did research she probably borrowed someone else's computer.
You can always put her on the stand and voir dire her.
Can the judge do that to a juror? I have no clue, just asking.
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You are truly an evil person.Stormblitz II said:
Im here for the judge's stories
Or they broke because it was about to become physical and people needed to cool off. There is only so long you can keep banging your head against a wall before it really starts to hurt.Brad06ag said:
I'm really hoping they broke early to sleep on the verdict... otherwise leaving at 4 was ridiculous.
Come back with the verdict first thing this morning dammit.
DannyDuberstein said:
This should have been over 3 days ago. There are definitely some Karens
Subornation of perjury can be done by anyone, not just attorneys in court. More often it is charged as witness tampering for non-lawyers.mkorzo said:
How does subornation of perjury work? Is this a criminal charge for the attorney? How does one even prove the lawyer knew the testimony was false?
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I remember back in the day when subornation of perjury was a no-no.WHOA!
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Yeah, if this was brought before the judge, wouldn't Fatlock just start droning on about all the ways this could have happened until the judge saw a shiny object?Captain Positivity said:
How did they prove the prosecutors knew about this footage? Wouldn't it be easy for them to just say this is all just a big surprise, and they are just as disappointed as everyone else? Perhaps they had another technical glitch with some of their video footage and just didn't get to this one?
his sexpanther approach has worked so farwbt5845 said:Yeah, if this was brought before the judge, wouldn't Fatlock just start droning on about all the ways this could have happened until the judge saw a shiny object?Captain Positivity said:
How did they prove the prosecutors knew about this footage? Wouldn't it be easy for them to just say this is all just a big surprise, and they are just as disappointed as everyone else? Perhaps they had another technical glitch with some of their video footage and just didn't get to this one?
My thought is that Binger offered them a way to avoid liability in any wrongful death lawsuits. If Kyle was in any way acting as a contractor for Khindris when he killed people, that's a pretty bad look. Hiring an untrained 17 year old to provide security for your business with an assault rifle?aggiehawg said:
I have been thinking about how Binger and Krauss got to the decision to call the Khindri brothers in the first place. Whether Kyle was invited or not really doesn't play that much of a role in any element of the charges against him, so what was the point?
I really don't know. Spidey senses tell me that the Khindris may have some criminal exposure that Binger leveraged over them to get them to testify the way they did but then they kind of went south on them when actually on the stand.
Good call. Looks to be sweating, probably beat some puppies and drowned a couple of kittens to satiate his blood lust prior to the night's events.Enviroag02 said:
Obviously since it's daytime and there doesn't appear to be any rioting taking place, this is the very first recorded instance of Kyle's provocation. He menacingly stands there all "bowed up" with his scary black gun that can kill 30 people like he's just one nasty verbal exchange from blasting mofos.
ADA can't do squat about civil wrongful death suits. That's not the the type of leverage to which I was referring. I was alluding to possible insurance fraud. Something that would be within the ADA's purview.BusterAg said:My thought is that Binger offered them a way to avoid liability in any wrongful death lawsuits. If Kyle was in any way acting as a contractor for Khindris when he killed people, that's a pretty bad look. Hiring an untrained 17 year old to provide security for your business with an assault rifle?aggiehawg said:
I have been thinking about how Binger and Krauss got to the decision to call the Khindri brothers in the first place. Whether Kyle was invited or not really doesn't play that much of a role in any element of the charges against him, so what was the point?
I really don't know. Spidey senses tell me that the Khindris may have some criminal exposure that Binger leveraged over them to get them to testify the way they did but then they kind of went south on them when actually on the stand.
Better to tell the world you didn't know he was there. Why don't you do that on the stand?
My question about that is this:aggiehawg said:Because of that, I think it is more likely we see some action today. Not saying we get a verdict necessarily nor a declaration of a hung jury but jury misconduct could be on the menu.mkorzo said:
Wonder what kind of independent research on the jury instructions Karen #54 did as she was burning the midnight oil.
I cannot stress how phenomenally bad of a decision it was for the judge to allow jury instructions to be taken home last evening. There could be a lot of ramifications today if jurors from each side took them with them and disobeyed the judge's orders and armed themselves with outside research. Schroeder practically invited such misconduct with that decision.
Colossal blunder.
Could but we haven't seen anything out of this judge indicating he'd do anything other than let Krauss rub his belly and tell him it's all the defense's fault.Guitarsoup said:My question about that is this:aggiehawg said:Because of that, I think it is more likely we see some action today. Not saying we get a verdict necessarily nor a declaration of a hung jury but jury misconduct could be on the menu.mkorzo said:
Wonder what kind of independent research on the jury instructions Karen #54 did as she was burning the midnight oil.
I cannot stress how phenomenally bad of a decision it was for the judge to allow jury instructions to be taken home last evening. There could be a lot of ramifications today if jurors from each side took them with them and disobeyed the judge's orders and armed themselves with outside research. Schroeder practically invited such misconduct with that decision.
Colossal blunder.
If there is a strong "Kyle Self-Defense" juror, when they start deliberating today, could that Pro-Kyle juror send a note to the judge saying that Juror 54 went home and googled the case to share more information with the jury and the judge dismiss that juror?
Karen 54 asking to take home the jury instructions pretty much confirms they haven't reached a verdict.Brad06ag said:
I'm really hoping they broke early to sleep on the verdict... otherwise leaving at 4 was ridiculous.
Come back with the verdict first thing this morning dammit.
Would have to go through a bailiff I think. Most notes to the judge are through the foreperson.Guitarsoup said:My question about that is this:aggiehawg said:Because of that, I think it is more likely we see some action today. Not saying we get a verdict necessarily nor a declaration of a hung jury but jury misconduct could be on the menu.mkorzo said:
Wonder what kind of independent research on the jury instructions Karen #54 did as she was burning the midnight oil.
I cannot stress how phenomenally bad of a decision it was for the judge to allow jury instructions to be taken home last evening. There could be a lot of ramifications today if jurors from each side took them with them and disobeyed the judge's orders and armed themselves with outside research. Schroeder practically invited such misconduct with that decision.
Colossal blunder.
If there is a strong "Kyle Self-Defense" juror, when they start deliberating today, could that Pro-Kyle juror send a note to the judge saying that Juror 54 went home and googled the case to share more information with the jury and the judge dismiss that juror?
Sure. Any juror can talk to the bailiff about that and the bailiff relays that to the judge. Judge calls the juror in for voir dire to question about potential misconduct. Both counsel would be involved as well.Guitarsoup said:My question about that is this:aggiehawg said:Because of that, I think it is more likely we see some action today. Not saying we get a verdict necessarily nor a declaration of a hung jury but jury misconduct could be on the menu.mkorzo said:
Wonder what kind of independent research on the jury instructions Karen #54 did as she was burning the midnight oil.
I cannot stress how phenomenally bad of a decision it was for the judge to allow jury instructions to be taken home last evening. There could be a lot of ramifications today if jurors from each side took them with them and disobeyed the judge's orders and armed themselves with outside research. Schroeder practically invited such misconduct with that decision.
Colossal blunder.
If there is a strong "Kyle Self-Defense" juror, when they start deliberating today, could that Pro-Kyle juror send a note to the judge saying that Juror 54 went home and googled the case to share more information with the jury and the judge dismiss that juror?
AG 2000' said:Could but we haven't seen anything out of this judge indicating he'd do anything other than let Krauss rub his belly and tell him it's all the defense's fault.Guitarsoup said:My question about that is this:aggiehawg said:Because of that, I think it is more likely we see some action today. Not saying we get a verdict necessarily nor a declaration of a hung jury but jury misconduct could be on the menu.mkorzo said:
Wonder what kind of independent research on the jury instructions Karen #54 did as she was burning the midnight oil.
I cannot stress how phenomenally bad of a decision it was for the judge to allow jury instructions to be taken home last evening. There could be a lot of ramifications today if jurors from each side took them with them and disobeyed the judge's orders and armed themselves with outside research. Schroeder practically invited such misconduct with that decision.
Colossal blunder.
If there is a strong "Kyle Self-Defense" juror, when they start deliberating today, could that Pro-Kyle juror send a note to the judge saying that Juror 54 went home and googled the case to share more information with the jury and the judge dismiss that juror?
