George Floyd case-latest developments
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If you were a lawyer, you would. That's not just a rebuke. That's an ass kicking by a judge. Juggled that attorney's bobble sack.third coast.. said:
That wasn't as bad as I thought it would be
third coast.. said:
That wasn't as bad as I thought it would be
I think your current career and my 6 years in the USMC might make our views a bit skewed.
I've watched a fair amount but not every minute.
But the judge has been pretty mild manner but damn he scolded that prosecutor. Basically told him to stop being a whiny baby and I think implied the DA needs to call the mayor and ask him to shut the hell up about anything Floyd related.
But the judge has been pretty mild manner but damn he scolded that prosecutor. Basically told him to stop being a whiny baby and I think implied the DA needs to call the mayor and ask him to shut the hell up about anything Floyd related.
Right at the end, he said "Submit your additional submissions in writing, not oral". Doesn't that kind of seem to counter the point he was making earlier? Or did I miss something?
I missed the first part of this morning.
That's huge. It's even more likely he gets off.
aggiehawg said:If you were a lawyer, you would. That's not just a rebuke. That's an ass kicking by a judge. Juggled that attorney's bobble sack.third coast.. said:
That wasn't as bad as I thought it would be
It's not the severity of the punishment that deters crime; it's the certainty of it.
Yeah, that is about as tough as you'll hear a judge rebuke an attorney.aggiehawg said:If you were a lawyer, you would. That's not just a rebuke. That's an ass kicking by a judge. Juggled that attorney's bobble sack.third coast.. said:
That wasn't as bad as I thought it would be
There are a lot of videos of judges rebuking defendants and what not, but there is a decorum that is shown between judges and attorneys. The two attorneys are naturally adversarial and hence the judge to attorney relationship is almost always very professional and respectful.
You missed hawg's explanation on the prior pageeric76 said:
Right at the end, he said "Submit your additional submissions in writing, not oral". Doesn't that kind of seem to counter the point he was making earlier? Or did I miss something?
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Cahill exploded in spectacular fashion and unloaded on him shouting at him. Cahill pointed out the vast array of lawyers and support staff that the prosecution has as opposed to Nelson's firm. He even asked how many private attorneys had applied for pro hac vice status on behalf on the prosecution. Ten? Twelve? Schleischer said he in fact did not know the number on the defense team. But tried to defend himself by commenting that Nelson was being paid by the police union.
Cahill erupted even more. 'No! No! No! We are not going to get into who is paying whom not here in my courtroom!" "Mr. Nelson has been in this courtroom since early this morning he doesn't have a ton of staff to prepare filings and i certainly don't expect him to try to sneak out of the courtroom to try to prepare those. When he's able he'll submit whatever he feels necessary. And all the court said was duly noted. I didn't make any ruling on the basis of what he said. I knew it was as supplement to his offer of proof on earlier motions on which I have not ruled yet. If he doesn't make his record, he doesn't but it's not to you to criticize his efforts in that respect. We won't be criticizing each other's performance here. ADJOURNED FOR THE DAY!" And he stormed of the bench.
"And liberals, being liberals, will double down on failure." - dedgod
Dr. Vinson's testimony will not be allowed at trial
Another win for the defense I presume?
yes, she was trying to say that Floyd was not resisting arrest but was having a panic attack (or something similar) that made it impossible for him to comply with commands. Cahill's reasoning was that Dr. Vincent was not Floyds doctor so did not have any previous information on his mental health, not was in his mind during the arrest, so it would have been all speculation pretty much.
Big wins for the defense this morning!
Overall that is good as I perceived she was nothing but a race baiter with an M.D. But that also means Floyd's 2019 arrest will not be admitted in full.Readzilla said:
Dr. Vincent's testimony will not be allowed at trial
Sorry, folks had a bad night and overslept.
Scott Johnson's summary of yesterday is HERE.
We have a jury.
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The next two jurors selected will serve as alternates. Here is the court's summary of the 12 jurors seated so far:
No. 2: white male; 20s
No. 9: multi/mixed-race woman; 20s
No. 19: white male; 30s
No. 27: black male; 30s
No. 44: white woman; 50s
No. 52: black male; 30s
No. 55: white woman; 50s
No. 79: black male; 40s
No. 85: multi/mixed-race woman; 40s
No. 89: white woman; 50s
No. 91: black woman; 60s
No. 92: white woman; 40s.
aggiehawg said:Overall that is good as I perceived she was nothing but a race baiter with an M.D. But that also means Floyd's 2019 arrest will not be admitted in full.Readzilla said:
Dr. Vincent's testimony will not be allowed at trial
Sorry, folks had a bad night and overslept.
Scott Johnson's summary of yesterday is HERE.
We have a jury.Quote:
The next two jurors selected will serve as alternates. Here is the court's summary of the 12 jurors seated so far:
No. 2: white male; 20s
No. 9: multi/mixed-race woman; 20s
No. 19: white male; 30s
No. 27: black male; 30s
No. 44: white woman; 50s
No. 52: black male; 30s
No. 55: white woman; 50s
No. 79: black male; 40s
No. 85: multi/mixed-race woman; 40s
No. 89: white woman; 50s
No. 91: black woman; 60s
No. 92: white woman; 40s.
Thoughts on the 2019 ruling?
so you're saying a court room really isn't like it is on Law and Orderwbt5845 said:Yeah, that is about as tough as you'll hear a judge rebuke an attorney.aggiehawg said:If you were a lawyer, you would. That's not just a rebuke. That's an ass kicking by a judge. Juggled that attorney's bobble sack.third coast.. said:
That wasn't as bad as I thought it would be
There are a lot of videos of judges rebuking defendants and what not, but there is a decorum that is shown between judges and attorneys. The two attorneys are naturally adversarial and hence the judge to attorney relationship is almost always very professional and respectful.
Only two white males and none over the age of 40? That's not good.
all the jurors seem pretty decent, there are 2 or 3 that are a little shady, but from the most part they seem impartial
We have juror 13 not sure if she will be on the jury or an alternate but she seems pretty down the middle. no red flags
From Branca on this morning:
Fair ruling. But I truly believe from what I have seen from the prosecution that they will likely bumble their way into opening the door to the full 2019 arrest coming in. Reason being, too many cooks in the kitchen.
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The defense had made motions to continue (delay) the trial as well as for a change of venue.
Both of those motions were DENIED. So jury selection, trial will continue on schedule in Hennepin County in this courtroom.
The defense had also made a motion to admit video evidence of George Floyd's year-prior arrest-related drug ingestion event, which is remarkably parallel to what happened on his day of death in 2020. Judge Cahill will ALLOW very limited admissibility of this video, for the sole purpose of arguing Floyd's actual cause of death, a key issue in this casedid Chauvin kill Floyd, or did Floyd kill Floyd via drug toxicity when he ingested fatal dose of fentanyl. Much of the video of that 2019 event will not, however, be admissible, only the portions directly related to Floyd's physiological condition and response to drug ingestion.
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he state made a motion to admit expert witness testimony of forensic psychiatrist Dr. Vincent, as evidence of Floyd's emotional state and to explain away his apparent non-compliance with arrest. Judge Cahill has DENIED this evidence, on grounds that Floyd's emotional state (as distinguished from his physiological state) is irrelevant.
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However, Cahill may allow Dr. Vincent testimony if the defense opens the door by making argument around Floyd's emotional state. In that case however, Cahill cautioned that if Dr. Vincent is allowed to come in then the ENTIRETY of the 2019 arrest-related drug ingestion event would be admissible to enable defense to rebut that testimony on emotional state.
Fair ruling. But I truly believe from what I have seen from the prosecution that they will likely bumble their way into opening the door to the full 2019 arrest coming in. Reason being, too many cooks in the kitchen.
Alternate for now. Sucks to be an alternate and have to sit through the trial but then are excluded during deliberations.Readzilla said:
We have juror 13 not sure if she will be on the jury or an alternate but she seems pretty down the middle. no red flags
I wouldn't say that necessarily. No matter how the media and the prosecution tries to spin it, this is not case about racism. And I think older jurors will be more immune to that type of appeal than younger it's-all-about-the-feelz jurors. My .02.Keegan99 said:
Only two white males and none over the age of 40? That's not good.
From what I heard of offer of proof, she went much further than that saying Floyd suffered from PTSD, with zero evidence to back that up other than the nation's history of slavery and Jim Crowe laws.Readzilla said:
yes, she was trying to say that Floyd was not resisting arrest but was having a panic attack (or something similar) that made it impossible for him to comply with commands. Cahill's reasoning was that Dr. Vincent was not Floyds doctor so did not have any previous information on his mental health, not was in his mind during the arrest, so it would have been all speculation pretty much.
She is nothing but a race baiter with a medical license.
MMA fighting has tons of horrible death videos that look like murder...If MMA could use lethal force then even more vids...still would just look like murder.
He calls for his momma in the 2019 arrest also. So the dramatic value on that aspect is reduced a bit. Also he is ultimately cooperative, but not immediately in the 19' video.
That all said, I don't see that doing with a 2020 video of a handcuffed and unconcious Floyd with a knee on his neck. Just too powerful of evidence against an OD argument.
That all said, I don't see that doing with a 2020 video of a handcuffed and unconcious Floyd with a knee on his neck. Just too powerful of evidence against an OD argument.
To be clear, not the entire video of his arrest will be admitted at this time, only a select portion, that of Floyd's being treated by an EMT at the police station remarking on Floyd's medical condition after ingesting unspecified drugs., i.e. his blood pressure was so high he could suffer and immediate heart attack or stroke and was transported to the hospital as a result.aginlakeway said:Good Poster said:
That's a big deal.
That kind of crying from a baller who grew up in the hood is almost certainly a result of drug addiction and realization of lost potential. He was also being pimped out on porn shoots to supply his drug habit. I bet encounters with the cops just bring it all into perspective of what a failure he was.
Hope everything is well with you, 'hawg.Quote:
had a bad night and overslept.
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Can't tell you how informative and valued your knowledge and expertise (for us 'lay' folks) has been with this thread.
THANK YOU!
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