Statistician is part of my job and just... no. I don't even know where to begin with this. I think I'd have a better chance getting my 4 year old to read Hamlet and tell me what the story was all about than find a way to explain what all is not correct there.
George Floyd case-latest developments
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The only time we are missing here is the time between the 911 call by the store and when Lane and Kueng responded.
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On May 25, 2020, someone called 911 and reported that a man bought merchandise from Cup Foods at 3759 Chicago Avenue in Minneapolis, Hennepin County, Minnesota with a counterfeit $20 bill. At 8:08 p.m., Minneapolis Police Department (MPD) Officers Thomas Lane and J.A. Kueng arrived with their body worn cameras (BWCs) activated and running. The officers learned from store personnel that the man who passed the counterfeit $20 was parked in a car around the corner from the store on 38th Street.
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Officers Kueng and Lane stood Mr. Floyd up and attempted to walk Mr. Floyd to their squad car (MPD 320) at 8:14 p.m. Mr. Floyd stiffened up, fell to the ground, and told the officers he was claustrophobic. MPD Officers Derek Chauvin (the defendant) and Tou Thoa then arrived in a separate squad car.
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The defendant pulled Mr. Floyd out of the passenger side of the squad car at 8:19:38 p.m. and Mr. Floywent to the ground face down and still handcuffed. Kueng held Mr. Floyd's back and Lane held his legs
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At 8:24:24, Mr. Floyd stopped moving 8:25:31 the video appears to show Mr. Floyd ceasing to breathe or speak. Lane said, "want to roll him on his side." Kueng checked Mr. Floyd's right wrist for a pulse and said, "I couldn't find one." None of the officers moved from their positions. At 8:27:24, the defendant removed his knee from Mr. Floyd's neck. An ambulance and emergency medical personnel arrived, the officers placed Mr. Floyd on a gurney, and the ambulance left the scene. Mr. Floyd was pronounced dead at Hennepin County Medical Center.
So far so good, the protest stuff wasn't too bad. More to impress a girl, it seems to me.
Has cops in his family. Has a nurse relative too. Says he will be fair and impartial.
Has cops in his family. Has a nurse relative too. Says he will be fair and impartial.
Interesting. On the video Chauvin told the bystander "we tried to put him in the car for 10 minutes". Wonder where that fits into timeline?
But maybe he was just exaggerating like Floyd when he said he couldn't breathe over and over.
But maybe he was just exaggerating like Floyd when he said he couldn't breathe over and over.
Nelson passes for cause.
State is up. Asking about credibility of police officers. His uncle in the sheriff's department and was working mostly in the jail after working his beat for awhile.
State is up. Asking about credibility of police officers. His uncle in the sheriff's department and was working mostly in the jail after working his beat for awhile.
Floyd said he can't breathe 4 times before Chauvin applied the knee, starting about a minute before he was on the ground. If you want to line it up with HAwg's timeline above, the first time he says it is 8:18:07.thirdcoast said:
But maybe he was just exaggerating like Floyd when he said he couldn't breathe over and over.
There are a lot of signs that you're sharing your opinion of what you think happened and haven't really looked in depth at what's publicly available objective evidence.
Sidebar.
109 is excused. State moved to strike for cause that 109 was evasive in answering his questionnaire. Cahill denied the challenge for cause. So state used a peremptory to strike.
109 is excused. State moved to strike for cause that 109 was evasive in answering his questionnaire. Cahill denied the challenge for cause. So state used a peremptory to strike.
Juror 110.
Female.
Female.
The State sure has struck a lot of white people......
Has private info so audio off.
Just tuned in. Wow they've had to do this 110 times asking the same questions, that's rough. This girl now sounds like shes about to get cut.
How many more people do they need?
How many more people do they need?
Juror 110 is excused by Cahill. Personal issue.
Juror #111 Male.
I didn't miss that. At the end, he was saying not to submit additional submissions orally and that seems to be in direct conflict to the above.akm91 said:You missed hawg's explanation on the prior pageeric76 said:
Right at the end, he said "Submit your additional submissions in writing, not oral". Doesn't that kind of seem to counter the point he was making earlier? Or did I miss something?Quote:
Cahill exploded in spectacular fashion and unloaded on him shouting at him. Cahill pointed out the vast array of lawyers and support staff that the prosecution has as opposed to Nelson's firm. He even asked how many private attorneys had applied for pro hac vice status on behalf on the prosecution. Ten? Twelve? Schleischer said he in fact did not know the number on the defense team. But tried to defend himself by commenting that Nelson was being paid by the police union.
Cahill erupted even more. 'No! No! No! We are not going to get into who is paying whom not here in my courtroom!" "Mr. Nelson has been in this courtroom since early this morning he doesn't have a ton of staff to prepare filings and i certainly don't expect him to try to sneak out of the courtroom to try to prepare those. When he's able he'll submit whatever he feels necessary. And all the court said was duly noted. I didn't make any ruling on the basis of what he said. I knew it was as supplement to his offer of proof on earlier motions on which I have not ruled yet. If he doesn't make his record, he doesn't but it's not to you to criticize his efforts in that respect. We won't be criticizing each other's performance here. ADJOURNED FOR THE DAY!" And he stormed of the bench.
It just seems like a big discrepancy to me so I'm curious if I read it wrong.
Works at a bar in St, Paul and hears patrons talking about the case. Sports bar with TVs on.
In college and just started his thesis class. Would be hardship because of the subject matter which he wanted changes every year.
Cahill will let the lawyers follow up on that.
Nelson asking how far back would it set him? He would just have to add another class on his final semester.
109 says he believes it is his civic duty and he will make it work if required.
He really is into art, tattoos, rugby and played it in college.
Cahill will let the lawyers follow up on that.
Nelson asking how far back would it set him? He would just have to add another class on his final semester.
109 says he believes it is his civic duty and he will make it work if required.
He really is into art, tattoos, rugby and played it in college.
Radio just announced change of venue has been denied?
If there was ever a poster child case for COV, this was it.
If there was ever a poster child case for COV, this was it.
Just a minor question: Are the alternates released when the jury begins its deliberations or are they kept available should they need a replacement juror during the deliberations? If the latter, how easy is it for the replacement juror to come up to speed on the deliberations?aggiehawg said:Alternate for now. Sucks to be an alternate and have to sit through the trial but then are excluded during deliberations.Readzilla said:
We have juror 13 not sure if she will be on the jury or an alternate but she seems pretty down the middle. no red flags
My guess is that they are thanked for their service and released when it goes to the jury.
Up to the judge whether the alternates are excused before deliberations or isolated away from the other jurors in sequester during deliberations.Quote:
My guess is that they are thanked for their service and released when it goes to the jury.
It varies. But one rule is that alternates are never allowed to be in deliberations unless they are a substitute and when that happens, the judge instructs the jury to start over in their entire deliberation process.
ETA: Alternates are very seldom even informed they are alternates because of the fear they won't pay as close of attention at trial.
Thanks.aggiehawg said:Up to the judge whether the alternates are excused before deliberations or isolated away from the other jurors in sequester during deliberations.Quote:
My guess is that they are thanked for their service and released when it goes to the jury.
It varies. But one rule is that alternates are never allowed to be in deliberations unless they are a substitute and when that happens, the judge instructs the jury to start over in their entire deliberation process.
ETA: Alternates are very seldom even informed they are alternates because of the fear they won't pay as close of attention at trial.
The last point was particularly informative. I'd never thought about that possibility.
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The fed jury I was on, the alternates had to listen/see to the horrible evidence and go through all the terrible things that happened, but then were released when were sent in to deliberate. It was two women that were crushed by having to go through it all and not be able to talk through it. I gave one of the women my card and told her to call me afterwards so she could understand what went on and we talked about it the next week after we delivered the verdict.
For some people, I could see that being an emotional roller coaster.
For some people, I could see that being an emotional roller coaster.
This guy is a SJW but not enough to toss for cause. Although he is intelligent and articulate (I assume a philosophy major since he is taking a theory of rhetoric class) I'd use a peremptory to strike him if I were Nelson.
Guy is a wild card as a juror in my view.
Guy is a wild card as a juror in my view.
Yeah that's why I originally said it sucks to be an alternate.Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:
The fed jury I was on, the alternates had to listen/see to the horrible evidence and go through all the terrible things that happened, but then were released when were sent in to deliberate. It was two women that were crushed by having to go through it all and not be able to talk through it. I gave one of the women my card and told her to call me afterwards so she could understand what went on and we talked about it the next week after we delivered the verdict.
For some people, I could see that being an emotional roller coaster.
Court is in recess until 3:45. Still on same juror when they return.
Agree. He is saying anything to get on - he wants this. Protested with a sign calling for the firing of the officers. That alone should disqualify him with Cahill.Quote:
Guy is a wild card as a juror in my view.
Also - NO WAY he works in a sports bar with tons of TVs & did not see or hear anything about the settlement.
He carried a sign at protest that said "no justice no peace" after Chauvin was arrested and jailed for murder. Brainwashed fool.
Thanks for the updates Hawg. Starting to feel we may finish jury selection this week.
If they select all the jurors, will there be much else on the docket for next week?
If they select all the jurors, will there be much else on the docket for next week?
That and he has nonchalantly thrown enough personal information about himself out there. Works in a sports bar in St, Paul, Attends St, Paul College, has a lot of tattoos, Grandparents and Mom are artists, plays rugby at St, Paul College, even naming the thesis class he is getting ready to take.schwack schwack said:Agree. He is saying anything to get on he wants this. Protested with a sign calling for the firing of the officers. That alone should disqualify him with Cahill.Quote:
Guy is a wild card as a juror in my view.
Also - NO WAY he works in a sports bar with tons of TVs & did not see or hear anything about the settlement.
He WANTS to be identified. Again, were I Nelson, I'd return from the recess and just tell Cahill using a peremptory and get him out of there.
I just heard the tail end of the commentators conversation on tv talking about "backstrike". Does that mean either side can go back & strike sitting jurors?
I kinda feel like people that say they are not worried about their identity being revealed - even later - are thinking they will be a guilty vote. I would worry about that forever.
I haven't looked at the docket recently, so don't know if all of the motions in limine have been resolved. Those are generally motions regarding the admissibility of specific evidence. Assuming those have all been addressed and barring any new filings, the docket should be empty.tallgrant said:
Thanks for the updates Hawg. Starting to feel we may finish jury selection this week.
If they select all the jurors, will there be much else on the docket for next week?
Although having a week off between the end of jury selection and the start of the trial is unusual it also affords a lot of time for more mischief. Not saying the selected jurors are bad people and will disobey the judge's order, although that does happen, just that this case draws so much media attention and the media as we all know is so corrupt these days...well who knows what may happen.
My fear is that the seated jurors will be identified by media and then targeted by social media.
Nelson strikes that loser the moment the court reconvenes. Told ya.
My internet is down! Ugh. Bartender gone?
Yes.schwack schwack said:
I just heard the tail end of the commentators conversation on tv talking about "backstrike". Does that mean either side can go back & strike sitting jurors?
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The trial lawyer has the right to back-strike at any time. A party may use an unused peremptory challenge at any time up until the jury is sworn. Lottimer v. North Broward Hospital District, 889 So. 2d 165 (Fla 4th DCA 2004) Counsel has the right to back-strike into main panel even if the main panel has been accepted, the parties are selecting alternates, and even after strikes against alternate jurors have been exercised and the alternates have been selected. Lottimer, supra. The Court, no matter how well-intentioned, can't impose artificial procedures to prevent a party from backstriking at any time. See, e.g., Van Sickle v. Zimmer, 807 So. 2d 182 (Fla 2nd DCA 2002). (Error for court to implement procedure whereby the court would allow an opportunity to backstrike once six jurors were accepted, but if six jurors were accepted and the parties had no backstrikes, those six would serve as jurors, no further backstrikes would be allowed, and then an alternate would be chosed.)
lungs (filled with fluid)UTExan said:thirdcoast said:aggiehawg said:Quote:
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Therein lies the problem: was it the perimortem condition of the lungs (filled with fluid) which caused loss of consciousness/death or the pressure applied to the neck by the knee? Getting past all the emotion, that is the hard thing the jury will have to decide. I just cannot see convicting Chauvin of murder of any degree. Manslaughter is a stretch which could be reversed on appeal.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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