Nelson uses a peremptory. Down to 5.
Twenty minute recess.
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And still need to seat 6? Seems like the defense is in a major hole at this point.
I think we have 9 jurors now. There is some confusion as to whether Cahill has ordered the normal two alternates or if because of covid concerns has increased the number of alternates to four. The lawyer following the case for Powerline blog says it's four while Branca, following the case for Legal Insurrection blog says it is two.Dumb_Loggy said:
And still need to seat 6? Seems like the defense is in a major hole at this point.
I did note that Cahill remarked this morning before the last prospective juror was dismissed on a peremptory that 8 of the last 11 jurors had been dismissed for cause.
Nelson did make a motion to increase the number of peremptory challenges yesterday morning that Cahill denied. They may need to revisit that issue though.
Next prospective juror is up. Didn't catch the number. Male.
Does the calls for jury duty often try to weed out those who haven't served on a jury?aggiehawg said:
Nelson is up. #63 is a substitute teacher.
Describes herself as "outgoing and charismatic" Loves to work with kids. Recent college grad and just got her first job.
Was shocked and in disbelief that she has never served on a jury and here she is being called for such a huge case.
The fortifications at the courthouse produced mixed feelings, feeling secure inside but the level of security being needed gave her pause.
Or is the surprise that someone can recently graduate from college without having served on a jury? I would think that this is the norm, not the exception.
Scrolling through instagram saw headlines about the third degree murder charge and the 27 million settlement.
But says he can be impartial.
But says he can be impartial.
It varies by state but once you have been called and showed up even if not selected, you are taken out rotation for a number of years. It is a random pull from the voter database, minus those with recent service.eric76 said:Does the calls for jury duty often try to weed out those who haven't served on a jury?aggiehawg said:
Nelson is up. #63 is a substitute teacher.
Describes herself as "outgoing and charismatic" Loves to work with kids. Recent college grad and just got her first job.
Was shocked and in disbelief that she has never served on a jury and here she is being called for such a huge case.
The fortifications at the courthouse produced mixed feelings, feeling secure inside but the level of security being needed gave her pause.
Or is the surprise that someone can recently graduate from college without having served on a jury? I would think that this is the norm, not the exception.
This is odd. Cahill has excused every other juror that knew about the settlement. Why not this one?
Nelson asking about the settlement and that it is a different case with different standards. He says he understands and can disregard it.
Im 35 and never have been called for jury duty. That is weird, isnt it?eric76 said:Does the calls for jury duty often try to weed out those who haven't served on a jury?aggiehawg said:
Nelson is up. #63 is a substitute teacher.
Describes herself as "outgoing and charismatic" Loves to work with kids. Recent college grad and just got her first job.
Was shocked and in disbelief that she has never served on a jury and here she is being called for such a huge case.
The fortifications at the courthouse produced mixed feelings, feeling secure inside but the level of security being needed gave her pause.
Or is the surprise that someone can recently graduate from college without having served on a jury? I would think that this is the norm, not the exception.
It's not the severity of the punishment that deters crime; it's the certainty of it.
I'm 62 and have only been called four times. Being a lawyer, I was never selected.Quote:
Im 35 and never have been called for jury duty. That is weird, isnt it?
In Texas, we used to draw jury pools from the voter registration lists. Then, about 25 years ago, the usual suspects cried 'discrimination' and forced through a bill that requires juries to be pulled from the drivers license rolls. The results were immediately noticeable. Juries are much dumber than they used to be.eric76 said:Does the calls for jury duty often try to weed out those who haven't served on a jury?aggiehawg said:
Nelson is up. #63 is a substitute teacher.
Describes herself as "outgoing and charismatic" Loves to work with kids. Recent college grad and just got her first job.
Was shocked and in disbelief that she has never served on a jury and here she is being called for such a huge case.
The fortifications at the courthouse produced mixed feelings, feeling secure inside but the level of security being needed gave her pause.
Or is the surprise that someone can recently graduate from college without having served on a jury? I would think that this is the norm, not the exception.
The judge has said in the past that in Minnesota is taken from the voter rolls.
Yep, another tragic consequence of good intentions; the juries weren't comprised of enough persons of color. The contra, also leftist argument was believe it or not that jury duty is a poll tax.Martin Cash said:In Texas, we used to draw jury pools from the voter registration lists. Then, about 25 years ago, the usual suspects cried 'discrimination' and forced through a bill that requires juries to be pulled from the drivers license rolls. The results were immediately noticeable. Juries are much dumber than they used to be.eric76 said:Does the calls for jury duty often try to weed out those who haven't served on a jury?aggiehawg said:
Nelson is up. #63 is a substitute teacher.
Describes herself as "outgoing and charismatic" Loves to work with kids. Recent college grad and just got her first job.
Was shocked and in disbelief that she has never served on a jury and here she is being called for such a huge case.
The fortifications at the courthouse produced mixed feelings, feeling secure inside but the level of security being needed gave her pause.
Or is the surprise that someone can recently graduate from college without having served on a jury? I would think that this is the norm, not the exception.
Now, I am not sure why it matters since courts have decided Texas must let folks register to vote via driver's license renewals anyway, but we all know there's no 'going back' once a Democratic 'desperate/urgent need' has been given.
Good for them.aggiehawg said:
The judge has said in the past that in Minnesota is taken from the voter rolls.
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Yep, another tragic consequence of good intentions;
ehhh...i wouldn't go that far.
When a juror uses the victim's first name repeatedly, that's a warning sign.
Very negative impression of Chauvin. He was also really noting that people were begging the officers to let up on Floyd. Says his opinion is that Floyd was murdered.
He thinks he can put that aside. He thinks he'd be able find Chauvin not guilty. When pressed further says he can find him not guilty. So no challenge for cause based on lack of impartiality.
Nelson would have to use a peremptory. If I were him, I would.
He thinks he can put that aside. He thinks he'd be able find Chauvin not guilty. When pressed further says he can find him not guilty. So no challenge for cause based on lack of impartiality.
Nelson would have to use a peremptory. If I were him, I would.
Defense absolutely needs to strike if the judge won't. That prospective juror is not carrying a presumption of innocence.
Somewhat favorable opinion of BLM.
Had never heard of Blue Lives Matter so no opinion.
But he also said on the questionnaire he would have a problem applying the presumption of innocence. But that if he's on the jury he would do that.
Nelson uses a peremptory. Down to four.
Had never heard of Blue Lives Matter so no opinion.
But he also said on the questionnaire he would have a problem applying the presumption of innocence. But that if he's on the jury he would do that.
Nelson uses a peremptory. Down to four.
Cahill is going back to the jurors already seated before the settlement was announced by zoom tomorrow. Cahill and Cahill alone will do the examination.
Tomorrow will be five in the morning and four for the afternoon.
Cahill repeats he has denied the defense motion for additional challenges, for sequestration of the jury and has the motion for continuance under advisement.
ETA: Lunch recess, will reconvene at 1:30.
Tomorrow will be five in the morning and four for the afternoon.
Cahill repeats he has denied the defense motion for additional challenges, for sequestration of the jury and has the motion for continuance under advisement.
ETA: Lunch recess, will reconvene at 1:30.
He will do everything he can to keep them. He just let the last guy stay even though he'd learned not only of the settlement, but the 3rd degree charge, too.Quote:
Cahill alone will do the examination.
I'm 66 and have been called twice.BadMoonRisin said:Im 35 and never have been called for jury duty. That is weird, isnt it?eric76 said:Does the calls for jury duty often try to weed out those who haven't served on a jury?aggiehawg said:
Nelson is up. #63 is a substitute teacher.
Describes herself as "outgoing and charismatic" Loves to work with kids. Recent college grad and just got her first job.
Was shocked and in disbelief that she has never served on a jury and here she is being called for such a huge case.
The fortifications at the courthouse produced mixed feelings, feeling secure inside but the level of security being needed gave her pause.
Or is the surprise that someone can recently graduate from college without having served on a jury? I would think that this is the norm, not the exception.
In one case, the defendant decided to plead guilty about the time the jury selection was supposed to be made. That was for a burglary that occurred two or three blocks from my house at the time,.
The second time was for someone selling counterfeit drugs to a police officer. The jury selection never got to me. Afterwards, I talked to the prosecutor a few minutes and since I wasn't on the jury, we talked a bit about the case.
I did get called one other time, but as any smart prospective juror around here knows, you call the sheriff's office the night before and they tell you whether or not the trial is still on. In this case, it wasn't so I didn't even have to go to the courthouse.
I always liked it when they ran out of people in the juror pools and had to send deputies or bailiffs or whatever out on the streets in front of the courthouse and draft people walking around.nortex97 said:Yep, another tragic consequence of good intentions; the juries weren't comprised of enough persons of color. The contra, also leftist argument was believe it or not that jury duty is a poll tax.Martin Cash said:In Texas, we used to draw jury pools from the voter registration lists. Then, about 25 years ago, the usual suspects cried 'discrimination' and forced through a bill that requires juries to be pulled from the drivers license rolls. The results were immediately noticeable. Juries are much dumber than they used to be.eric76 said:Does the calls for jury duty often try to weed out those who haven't served on a jury?aggiehawg said:
Nelson is up. #63 is a substitute teacher.
Describes herself as "outgoing and charismatic" Loves to work with kids. Recent college grad and just got her first job.
Was shocked and in disbelief that she has never served on a jury and here she is being called for such a huge case.
The fortifications at the courthouse produced mixed feelings, feeling secure inside but the level of security being needed gave her pause.
Or is the surprise that someone can recently graduate from college without having served on a jury? I would think that this is the norm, not the exception.
Now, I am not sure why it matters since courts have decided Texas must let folks register to vote via driver's license renewals anyway, but we all know there's no 'going back' once a Democratic 'desperate/urgent need' has been given.
Move to BCS, you'll,get called once a year if not more
While I agree Cahill is in a weird position of asking them if they have heard about something without telling them what that something is. Will be interesting to hear how he phrases it. Assuming that zoom meeting will televised or have audio.schwack schwack said:He will do everything he can to keep them. He just let the last guy stay even though he'd learned not only of the settlement, but the 3rd degree charge, too.Quote:
Cahill alone will do the examination.
I think he said the jurors' faces will be blocked but not sure that meant it will be on TV.
Yeah. Lawyers, cops, paramedics and firemen would probably make the best jurors.aggiehawg said:I'm 62 and have only been called four times. Being a lawyer, I was never selected.Quote:
Im 35 and never have been called for jury duty. That is weird, isnt it?
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I thought his family was saying he was a rehabilitated drug user? Wouldn't the state have to prove he was a chronic user/abuser of fentanyl? Would having family and friends get on the witness stand testifying he abused drugs be a good move or even solid proof he was chronically abusing drugs?aggiehawg said:
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I will note that it seems to me that the state has offered expert witness testimony that has opened the door to Floyd's drug addiction as the judge referred to reports of the "naive user" of fentanyl and the increased tolerance of a chronic abuser is being offered by the state. I think the state taking the position that Floyd was such a druggie that his tolerance was so high that 11ng/ml would not be enough to kill him is an odd approach but whatever.
Further, if Nelson's recitation of what is contained in the new FBI report is accurate, and it is a novel combination of drugs that even the FBI hasn't seen, the tolerance argument goes out of the window.
The prosecution picked a bad candidate to push forward the systemic racism card.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
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Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
Lived in Austin (some Travis, some Wilco) and made it to 30 before I got summoned. Was picked and did a full trial. Afterward I was exempt for 24 months, during which I received two summons and was able to be exempted via mail-in response. Haven't been summoned in the 10 years since.
Oh I don't know about that. I've known some pretty bad lawyers in my life who I would never want near a jury trial.UTExan said:Yeah. Lawyers, cops, paramedics and firemen would probably make the best jurors.aggiehawg said:I'm 62 and have only been called four times. Being a lawyer, I was never selected.Quote:
Im 35 and never have been called for jury duty. That is weird, isnt it?
When I started law school in the early 80s, there were quite a few former cops who were in law school. Many had retired with a disability and wanted to stay near law enforcement. Some of their war stories from being cops and how they got around Terry stop frisks among other things, were eye opening at least. But that was always because they had past interactions with the suspected perp and knew he was more than likely to be holding.
Haven't seen what the family said. Frankly, I was surprised when Cahill mentioned that it was in a report submitted by the state about the evidence from expert witness about the differences in tolerance levels for a drug between a novice user and a chronic abuser.Quote:
I thought his family was saying he was a rehabilitated drug user? Wouldn't the state have to prove he was a chronic user/abuser of fentanyl? Would having family and friends get on the witness stand testifying he abused drugs be a good move or even solid proof he was chronically abusing drugs?
The prosecution picked a bad candidate to push forward the systemic racism card.
Reason being, I think that opens the door for 404(b) evidence to be allowed to be presented. That's broadly speaking past "bad acts" evidence such as Floyd's 2019 arrest. That state tries to argue that the prejudice outweighs the probative value because there will already be other evidence adduced at trial that Floyd was addicted to opioids.
Regarding the 2019 arrest, Cahill did indicate that he thought testimony from the paramedic attending Floyd at the police station of the effect of whatever drug Floyd ingested while the officers could see him, had the effect of drastically elevating his blood pressure sufficient to be transported to the hospital. Cahill's view is that is medical evidence and admissible.
Thanks for the response.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
You're welcome.richardag said:
Thanks for the response.
I'm still not sure what is the state's full theory of their case. Seems pretty scattershot to me.
Interesting take. I have known police who actually did serve on juries and were tougher on the prosecution by their accounts.aggiehawg said:Oh I don't know about that. I've known some pretty bad lawyers in my life who I would never want near a jury trial.UTExan said:Yeah. Lawyers, cops, paramedics and firemen would probably make the best jurors.aggiehawg said:I'm 62 and have only been called four times. Being a lawyer, I was never selected.Quote:
Im 35 and never have been called for jury duty. That is weird, isnt it?
When I started law school in the early 80s, there were quite a few former cops who were in law school. Many had retired with a disability and wanted to stay near law enforcement. Some of their war stories from being cops and how they got around Terry stop frisks among other things, were eye opening at least. But that was always because they had past interactions with the suspected perp and knew he was more than likely to be holding.
“If you’re going to have crime it should at least be organized crime”
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I thought it was 6 months before you could be called back, IIRC from the time I was selected.aggiehawg said:It varies by state but once you have been called and showed up even if not selected, you are taken out rotation for a number of years. It is a random pull from the voter database, minus those with recent service.eric76 said:Does the calls for jury duty often try to weed out those who haven't served on a jury?aggiehawg said:
Nelson is up. #63 is a substitute teacher.
Describes herself as "outgoing and charismatic" Loves to work with kids. Recent college grad and just got her first job.
Was shocked and in disbelief that she has never served on a jury and here she is being called for such a huge case.
The fortifications at the courthouse produced mixed feelings, feeling secure inside but the level of security being needed gave her pause.
Or is the surprise that someone can recently graduate from college without having served on a jury? I would think that this is the norm, not the exception.
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in order for democrats, liberals, progressives et al to continue their illogical belief systems they have to pretend not to know a lot of things; by pretending "not to know" there is no guilt, no actual connection to conscience. Denial of truth allows easier trespass.
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