George Floyd case-latest developments

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Andrew Branca's summary and analysis of this morning's session is HERE includes time edited only video of the voir dire.

He will post his summary for the afternoon session later today.
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Hmmm. Target getting the hell outta Dodge?

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Target Corporation, the eighth largest retailer in the United States, announced in an email to employees on Thursday that it will be leaving the City Center, its primary downtown Minneapolis location.
Company officials cited improved remote work opportunities and less need for space as the drivers for the decision.

"In just one year we've proven that we can drive incredible results, together, from our kitchens and basements and living rooms," said Melissa Kremer, executive vice president and leader of Target's human resources operations.

Target, the largest employer in Minneapolis with some 8,500 corporate workers, says the 3,500 employees who work at the City Center will still have a "home base," but it will be at another Minneapolis location or in the nearby suburb of Brooklyn Park.

A Story of Capital Flight?

On one hand, there is little reason to doubt Target's explanation for abandoning its headquarters. Many anticipated that the pandemic would lead to a normalization of remote work.

"The future of work will be distributed," Erica Brescia, the chief operating officer of Github, told the BBC last fall. "We're going to see a big shift from office by default to remote by default."

Part of that shift, it's reasonable to assume, would be corporations moving away from high-end corporate real estate. Yet it also shouldn't be forgotten (or ignored) that Target's decision comes less than a year after Minneapolis suffered some of the worst riots in US history, prompted by the May 25 death of George Floyd.

The riots which broke out after a video went viral showing police pinning Floyd, a 46-year-old black man, to the ground for nearly nine minutes before he died caused an estimated $2 billion in damage.

Though Target made no mention of the riots in its announcement, last summer I noted that an abundance of evidence suggested that the economic damage of the riots would persist long after the wreckage had cleared.
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It's the riots
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I would move my business to a more demographically favorable location 100 times out of 100.
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If you read the article (warning it is long) it does go into studies about how riots kill a city and it never comes back over time. Throw in WFH successful experiences during a year of covid crap? Seems a no brainer to me.

But Target needs to be very careful here while Chauvin's trial is ongoing. The city council has already thrown a molotov cocktail into the trial and the jury pool. They don't want to even appear they are throwing another one.

Perhaps the city council can get away with jury intimidation and tampering but a publicly owned company? When AG Ellison could demand a huge cash settlement to the cause of choice? (Meaning something from which he too can benefit financially?)

My first husband and I attended a week long convention in Minneapolis in the mid-to-late 80s. Had fun. Nice place and the locals were pretty friendly. Such a shame.
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It is but at the same time, people need to see the consequences of giving Democrats total control of your government at all levels
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Maroon Dawn said:

It is but at the same time, people need to see the consequences of giving Democrats total control of your government at all levels
While I agree, that seems to be the one lesson of history a lot of people can never learn, apparently.

Of course when history is being rewritten to erase the bad consequences of socialist dictatorships, whether voted in or otherwise, that lesson is buried.
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My main concern in all of this is whether Chauvin had any legitimate defenses the jury can't ignore easily.

IE. If the defense evidence is all circumstantial (non verifiable training that he was doing right thing, etc) then id assume he gets convicted even if prosecution has no legitimate case.

Then this settlement being executed like this is essentislly the attorneys for the city just straight throwing his potential innocence under the bus.
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Stupid@17 said:

My main concern in all of this is whether Chauvin had any legitimate defenses the jury can't ignore easily.

IE. If the defense evidence is all circumstantial (non verifiable training that he was doing right thing, etc) then id assume he gets convicted even if prosecution has no legitimate case.

Then this settlement being executed like this is essentislly the attorneys for the city just straight throwing his potential innocence under the bus.
Trust me, the defense has a rigorous defense to shred the prosecution's "case" on the precise charges as alleged. The state's medical evidence is compromised, highly compromised in my view.

If you have ever seen the movie Presumed Innocent there is a scene when the Coroner is absolutely destroyed on cross. (Coroner had said Harrison Ford's dead sperm was recovered from the body of a woman with whom had an extramarital affair. The sperm were dead because of the presence on a spermicide used in conjunction with a diaphragm, only the victim's medical records revealed she had undergone a tubal ligation years before. Even the Coroner's notes confirmed the tube were tied. No reason for her to use a diaphragm.)

But I digress.

Several prospective jurors have noted that they saw where there were two autopsies performed on Floyd* and Nelson has asked them if they would have a problem if the results of only one autopsy is presented at trial. Of the jurors selected so far, none said they would have.

*The state attorneys have already told the court they will never present the Floyd family's paid-for "autopsy" done by Dr. Michael Baden. It was riddled with errors and premature conclusions.
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aggiehawg said:

Stupid@17 said:

My main concern in all of this is whether Chauvin had any legitimate defenses the jury can't ignore easily.

IE. If the defense evidence is all circumstantial (non verifiable training that he was doing right thing, etc) then id assume he gets convicted even if prosecution has no legitimate case.

Then this settlement being executed like this is essentislly the attorneys for the city just straight throwing his potential innocence under the bus.
Trust me, the defense has a rigorous defense to shred the prosecution's "case" on the precise charges as alleged. The state's medical evidence is compromised, highly compromised in my view.

If you have ever seen the movie Presumed Innocent there is a scene when the Coroner is absolutely destroyed on cross. (Coroner had said Harrison Ford's dead sperm was recovered from the body of a woman with whom had an extramarital affair. The sperm were dead because of the presence on a spermicide used in conjunction with a diaphragm, only the victim's medical records revealed she had undergone a tubal ligation years before. Even the Coroner's notes confirmed the tube were tied. No reason for her to use a diaphragm.)

But I digress.

Several prospective jurors have noted that they saw where there were two autopsies performed on Floyd* and Nelson has asked them if they would have a problem if the results of only one autopsy is presented at trial. Of the jurors selected so far, none said they would have.

*The state attorneys have already told the court they will never present the Floyd family's paid-for "autopsy" done by Dr. Michael Baden. It was riddled with errors and premature conclusions.


I just don't see where any of those charges against him are warranted in real world vs this media wacky world we have right now. I said originally after it came out that the knee and everything was policy/procedure that he would be innocent.

My real hope is he is rightly acquitted of all charges, and then goes on to win suit against the city and or other political bodies involved in all this.
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Mornin' all.

Should be interesting this morning with arguments on the admissibility of the Floyd's 2019 arrest before the court.
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aggiehawg said:

Rapier108 said:

Derek Chauvin trial: 7 jurors to be recalled for questioning over $27M George Floyd settlement publicity | Fox News
Exactly what I said Cahill would do. Same thing was done during the Manson trial as part of damage control.

Nelson renewed his motion for a change of venue this morning. Cahill still doesn't seem conducive towards granting it. That might change however.

When the first prospective juror this morning came out told the court that she heard about the settlement and from her personal experience, if the city is willing to pay 27 million, they have judged they would lose the civil suit and that Chauvin was guilty. I had to wonder if that would become a pattern today with the other prospective jurors?

That hasn't happened with others citing specifically that they know of the settlement but other were dismissed by Cahill for cause while two more jurors were seated. But if the first seven are questioned again and say three or four of them have to bow out because they don't believe they can be impartial?

Cahill may feel that's he's going backwards, not forwards and reassess the change of venue.


If a change of venue were decided upon in a criminal case, how is an alternative venue typically chosen??? Same state? DA in new venue has to bring charges separately??
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Same state as these are state charges. Get out of the Twin Cities and their exurbs.
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Branca's summary of yesterday's afternoon session is HERE

Listening to arguments back and forth on the admissibility of the May 2019 arrest. Hard to tell but Cahill remains skeptical of its admissibility.
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This state guy is getting pretty flustered right now lol
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Okay, after an hour of argument, Cahill takes the motion under advisement and puts it off until tomorrow morning.

Nelson has a new (to him) report from the FBI that analyzes the content and toxicity of a partially dissolved pill found on the floorboard of the squad car. It has Floyd's DNA and is some combination of methamphetamine and fentanyl that apparently the FBI has not seen before, according to Nelson. I think that's the pill from the squad car but he didn't specifically say that.

Cahill agrees to receive the report as a supplement to the defense offer of proof and to review it in camera overnight.

Reading the tea leaves, Cahill seems open to allowing certain aspects of the May 2019 arrest into evidence while disallowing others.

I will note that it seems to me that the state has offered expert witness testimony that has opened the door to Floyd's drug addiction as the judge referred to reports of the "naive user" of fentanyl and the increased tolerance of a chronic abuser is being offered by the state. I think the state taking the position that Floyd was such a druggie that his tolerance was so high that 11ng/ml would not be enough to kill him is an odd approach but whatever.

Further, if Nelson's recitation of what is contained in the new FBI report is accurate, and it is a novel combination of drugs that even the FBI hasn't seen, the tolerance argument goes out of the window.
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That seems pretty big to me random super drug combo alone i feel is enough to throw in reasonable doubt
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Nelson offers the March 12th WaPo article wherein an unidentified city official said the council asked the judge of the federal civil suit if they could announce the settlement. Cahill was visibly perturbed and said he'd let the judge himself speak for himself but his understanding is that is not what the judge told the city and it is clear to Cahill that the city was trying to foist responsibility onto the court and that "it is what it is."
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Readzilla said:

That seems pretty big to me random super drug combo alone i feel is enough to throw in reasonable doubt
Indeed. Because of time limitations, Nelson was not able to go into further detail but just summed it up as very unusual according to the FBI.

Earlier Nelson was speaking as to his being present during the second search of the back of the squad car and said there was residue what appeared to be "chewed up pills."

Juror #63 is up. Sounds like a young female.
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Nelson is up. #63 is a substitute teacher.

Describes herself as "outgoing and charismatic" Loves to work with kids. Recent college grad and just got her first job.

Was shocked and in disbelief that she has never served on a jury and here she is being called for such a huge case.

The fortifications at the courthouse produced mixed feelings, feeling secure inside but the level of security being needed gave her pause.
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She is concerned about her students and her job. It would be a hardship on her.

Cahill excuses her for hardship.
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Is it just me, or is Cahill not trying as hard to redeem jurors as he was at the beginning?
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definitely not, he sounds upset or just tired of it
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The 27 Million Dollar Settlement strikes again...
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I don't see how any of them could have missed the settlement news.
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Had to step away. Was the software guy dismissed for cause?
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Dang it! Then my internet went out for several minutes. Having a bad morning so far.

So this female juror knows some of the witnesses, sold her house and will be moving and has a child under one.

Cahill excuses for hardship.
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yes he was
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Juror #67. Young male.

Nelson is up.
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Thanks. Was it that he knew about the settlement?
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Is there another city in Minnesota big enough for that?

"Diverse enough"
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Yeah and he has received almost every headline about the case due to his work
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Duluth. Rochester or Bloomington.

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Guy believes the justice system needs reform. Favorable opinion of BLM. Also very favorable for Blue Lives Matter.

He's an executive for youth organization, religious obviously as he is a youth minister.

I'm not getting a good sense of this guy. Can't tell if defense will use a peremptory here. Certainly he hasn't given cause to be dismissed.
 
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