George Floyd case-latest developments

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Scott Johnson's summary of yesterday is HERE

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Does any prospective Hennepin County juror really have an open mind on Chauvin? We found one yesterday, but he won't be on the jury. The optimal defense juror is the deer hunter. He was juror number 116.

When juror number 116 identified within the first minute or so of his examination by Nelson as an avid fisherman he fishes competitively I guessed he would be good for Chauvin. He also identified in response to Schleicher's examination as a deer hunter.

He had heard about the settlement of the wrongful death lawsuit and was concerned about the safety of his family in the event he served on the jury, but his view of Chauvin was "neutral." Further, his view of Black Lives Matter was "somewhat unfavorable." Why? Because he "doesn't think that riots help." He didn't necessarily want to serve as a juror, but he felt that he could "absolutely" be fair and impartial. Schleicher spent a few minutes following up before using a peremptory challenge to strike him.

I start with juror number 116 stuck because he stuck out. Chauvin didn't have a crack at many like him over the past two weeks and it didn't take Schleicher long to figure that the State didn't want him. I hope they didn't pay the big bucks for that advice.
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We began the day with juror number 115. She was probably the true counterpart to the deer hunter. She is a nursing assistant who expressed no concerns for her physical safety. She was okay with the release of her name by the court at some point in the future when it is deemed safe. I take it that she does not contemplate a possible not guilty verdict and related consequences.

Her view of Chauvin is "somewhat negative." George Floyd should not have had to die. It "was not his time to go."

Did we need more? She participated in one of the protests within a week of Floyd's death. She made a sign to march with a friend in the protest. (I missed what the sign said.)

She strongly agrees that blacks are not treated equally in the criminal justice system. Where did she get the information to support her opinion? She took a "gendered woman studies class in college." Need I add that her opinion of Black Lives Matter is "very favorable."

As Roberto Duran put it, "No ms!" I don't think Judge Cahill would have granted a challenge for cause, but Nelson didn't try. He used a peremptory strike on her.
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Juror number 121 presented as another case study in the profile of a juror adverse to Chauvin despite professing to be fair and impartial. He has worked in a retail warehouse for three years. He wants to serve as juror in the case and he has strong opinions about it.

When he described himself early on as interested in philosophy and social issues, I thought Nelson would have to strike him. The alternative title of Nietzsche's Twilight of the Idols is How to Philosophize with a Hammer. This guy wanted to philosophize with a hammer on the jury.

He has watched the bystander video. He has watched the body cam video. He has a "very negative" opinion of Chauvin. He was of the view that Chauvin "used unnecessary and excessive force." He thought that Floyd's death resulted from it. And so on, and so on.

Yet he professed his ability to be neutral. In a sidebar out of our hearing, Nelson moved to strike him for cause. Judge Cahill denied the challenge for cause, but expressly found that the juror was evasive and lacking in credibility.

Nelson exercised another of his peremptory challenges to strike the juror and cited the Minnesota Court of Appeals 'McKinley case in support of his challenge for cause ("A district court does not err when it sustains a for-cause challenge of a jurorbecause the juror is untruthful, evasive, or lacking in candor during voir dire"). In response, Judge Cahill stated that he would revisit the question if Nelson ran out of peremptory challenges while we remain in search of the fifteenth juror the third alternate today.
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The court is calling in twelve prospective jurors in search of a third alternate who will be released next Monday if the other fourteen show up. When we find the third alternate today, we will take a break until the commencement of the trial proper with opening statements next Monday.

In the summary provided by the court after juror 118 was seated , here are the fourteen jurors the twelve regular and two alternates who will decide this case:
No. 2: white male; 20s
No. 9: multi/mixed-race woman; 20s
No. 19: white male; 30s
No. 27: black male; 30s
No. 44: white woman; 50s
No. 52: black male; 30s
No. 55: white woman; 50s
No. 79: black male; 40s
No. 85: multi/mixed-race woman; 40s
No. 89: white woman; 50s
No. 91: black woman; 60s
No. 92: white woman; 40s
No. 96: white woman; 50s
No. 118: white woman; 20s
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Court is in session.

ETA: Group instruction for this morning's panel. Six prospects according to what Cahill said yesterday. Six in the morning and six in the afternoon until they get the last alternate.
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Juror #127 is up.

Male. Sounds a little older.
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No social media. Doesn't read very well. Truck driver. Hates the media, only catches the weather. News bothers him.

Truck driver? Assuming he's white, state will likely strike him.
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Nelson is up.

Went back to school at 50 and is now a pipefitter.

Concerns for safety after what happened (assume he means the riots). I'll try to be as fair as I can and whatever comes out here (court) I'll have to rely upon. I don't want to be afraid to make the right choice.

Reassured by the security at the court house.

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So far, I'm thinking no way the state lets this guy on.
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schwack schwack said:

So far, I'm thinking no way the state lets this guy on.
Agree. Not the demo they want. BUT, with all of the confusion about how Cahill will determine who are the alternates and if one juror will be let go if the other 14 show up on Monday, there is a calculation on when to use their few remaining strikes.
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Defunding the police "is lunacy."
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The state is going to strike this guy.

ETA: this guy may get struck based on the Logan Act.
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He strikes me as the kind of guy who would be a holdout like in 12 Angry Men.



Aww crap! Did he just fail the Logan test? He kind of walked that back, though.
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Nelson did a pretty good job of rehabilitating him there but the Logan door has been opened and the state prosecutor will hammer him hard to get him dismissed for cause.

Nelson passes for cause.
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Here we go on the Logan test by state. He's struggling to answer. Believes the police are generally unbiased and fair.
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State requests a sidebar to move to strike for cause under Logan.

#127 is excused. Cahill says he granted the challenge for cause.
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Cahill says he reviewed the McKinley case overnight and will reinstate Nelson's peremptory he was forced to use on #121 yesterday. Yay!

Juror #129 is up.

Female.
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She heard about the settlement a neighbor told her the family got 27 million. She wasn't very happy about the settlement. But can't really explain why she wasn't happy about it.

Can she put it aside? Oh yeah.
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But she generally trusts the police. Another Logan issue coming? She still says she could be impartial.

She has kids can you make 4 weeks work? Yes.

Nelson is up.
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No way this lady can hold her own in a contentious jury room.
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Afraid of not guilty verdict.
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She has three kids. Sounds like a stay at home Mom.

Reaction to learning she was a potential juror? She was scared and did not want to be on this case. Fears for her and her family's safety.

But that fear would not affect her verdict, she says.

Sidebar. Think Cahill is going to excuse her.
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schwack schwack said:

No way this lady can hold her own in a contentious jury room.
Agree.
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Nelson back up and asking about undue hardship. She can't really answer. She's very nervous.
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Another sidebar.

Cahill excuses her. She says Thank you in relief.
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Recess until 10:45.
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Cahill excuses her. She says Thank you in relief.

I think we are all relieved.
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Juror #130. Male, sounds younger.

Heard about the settlement but doesn't think it will affect him.

The video did affect him. Says he was "very active" after seeing the video.
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He's not sure he can set everything aside.

Cahill excuses.
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Juror #131.

Male.
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Middle aged conservative males must be a dying breed in that community. Jury pool seems... not balanced.
I love Texas Aggie sports, but I love Texas A&M more.
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He's married, competitive, loves sports has a puppy. He's an accountant.

Shocked he was selected for the jury pool in the case.

No concerns for safety nor covid.
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So far so good. No reason to excuse him for cause yet.
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aggiehawg said:

He's married, competitive, loves sports has a puppy. He's an accountant.

Shocked he was selected for the jury pool in the case.

No concerns for safety nor covid.
Thanks for all of your contributions to this thread. Was that the elusive 15th panelist selected for jury duty?
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justcallmeharry said:

aggiehawg said:

He's married, competitive, loves sports has a puppy. He's an accountant.

Shocked he was selected for the jury pool in the case.

No concerns for safety nor covid.
Thanks for all of your contributions to this thread. Was that the elusive 15th panelist selected for jury duty?
Not yet. That's why we are still in jury selection.
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Minorities are incarcerated more often and for longer times for similar crimes, statistically speaking.

Strongly agrees the police in his community make him feel safe. Strongly disagrees with defunding the police.

Some what agrees with police tend to use more force when dealing with Black perps than white perps.

Nelson is asking the Logan question and he answered it depended on the topic under discussion.

Supports the idea of BLM but not always their tactics. He associates, to a certain extent, the violence spilled over from the BLM protests.
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Nelson confers. I expect him to pass for cause.

And he does.

State's up. What kind of puppy? Burmese Mountain dog six months old. State wants to know why he decided to get a puppy? Weird question.

Now asking about the NFL and people taking the knee. He prefers they express their opinions in a different manner. He doesn't like it during the national anthem.

State asks why would that offend him??Really? (That's my comment not his.)
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Police provide a valuable service to society and defunding would harm that essential function.
 
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