George Floyd case-latest developments

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Readzilla said:

Mrs. Hawg. Say the jury gets one or two people who want to convict no matter what and ends up being a mistrial because of a hung jury. How does Chauvin precede from there?
Probably have another trial, but a change of venue might be possible. If the prosecutor doesn't think he can convict, I think that he could decline another trial.

A grand-uncle of mine shot and killed his son-in-law in a jewelry store in Dallas iin front of plenty of witnesses in the 1940s. He was a former FBI agent and a former Chief of Police of Dallas.

His trial in Dallas resulted in a hung jury. So they retried him in a nearby town (I think it was Kaufman). The second trial ended in a verdict of not guilty.
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eric76 said:



A grand-uncle of mine shot and killed his son-in-law in a jewelry store in Dallas iin front of plenty of witnesses in the 1940s. He was a former FBI agent and a former Chief of Police of Dallas.

Doesn't seem to me to be that grand of an uncle!
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eric76 said:



A grand-uncle of mine shot and killed his son-in-law in a jewelry store in Dallas iin front of plenty of witnesses in the 1940s. He was a former FBI agent and a former Chief of Police of Dallas.

His trial in Dallas resulted in a hung jury. So they retried him in a nearby town (I think it was Kaufman). The second trial ended in a verdict of not guilty.
Just curious - How'd he get off with all the witnesses present?
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Oh man. I was deployed during the 2011 season. I wasted many hours of potential sleep watching the first half of many games on AFN before going on a mission, then being told the final over the radio. I've tried blocking that season from memory...
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One thing that we shouldn't forget is that if he is found not guilty, he might be able to be charged under federal charges for another go-around.

I don't know if anyone here remembers a Houston bookie, Robert (Bob) Angleton, who offered to pay his brother to kill his wife, Doris Angleton. During their daughter's baseball game at which Robert Angleton was coaching his daughters, he sent Doris to the house to get some more equipment, bats, I think. When she arrived at the house, the brother killed her.

His brother committed suicide in jail waiting trial. Angleton went on trial for murder in Houston and was found not guilty. Someone on the jury told the press that they thought he was guilty, but that the prosecutor did not prove the case and so they felt obliged to vote not guilty.

The federal government then filed charges. Three days or so before the federal trial, Angleton skipped the country using someone else's passports. (The two who got passports and gave them to Angleton were found guilty of that.) Angleton was arrested going through customs in, I think, Amsterdam when they discovered a couple of hundred thousand dollars hidden in his suitcase.

They refused to extradite Angleton to the US because they opposed to the death penalty and he would be prosecuted for something for which he could get the death penalty. After a year or two sitting in a prison over there, they finally came to an agreement with the US. They would extradite Angleton as long as he was tried on charges for which the death penalty could not be used. Once he finished his sentence for that, the US could, if they wished, then continue on with their murder case against him.

So Angleton was brought back and charged with tax evasion. He was convicted and got something like 9 years in prison. He served a few years and was released. Once the 9 years was up, the US could have charged him with murder again but I have never seen any news reports about them doing so.

As I understand it, to file federal charges after he was found not guilty by the state, the government had to assert an additional element of the crime so that the crime is not "identical" to the state crime for which he was acquitted by the jury.
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Ft.Worth_Ag said:

eric76 said:



A grand-uncle of mine shot and killed his son-in-law in a jewelry store in Dallas iin front of plenty of witnesses in the 1940s. He was a former FBI agent and a former Chief of Police of Dallas.

His trial in Dallas resulted in a hung jury. So they retried him in a nearby town (I think it was Kaufman). The second trial ended in a verdict of not guilty.
Just curious - How'd he get off with all the witnesses present?
The times were a bit different back then. The son-in-law didn't get a divorce before marrying his daughter. I guess the jury took a dim view of that.
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eric76 said:

Ft.Worth_Ag said:

eric76 said:



A grand-uncle of mine shot and killed his son-in-law in a jewelry store in Dallas iin front of plenty of witnesses in the 1940s. He was a former FBI agent and a former Chief of Police of Dallas.

His trial in Dallas resulted in a hung jury. So they retried him in a nearby town (I think it was Kaufman). The second trial ended in a verdict of not guilty.
Just curious - How'd he get off with all the witnesses present?
Different times. The son-in-law didn't get a divorce before marrying his daughter. I guess the jury took a dim view of that.
Yeah, the old "so-what-if-he-did-it-the guy-deserved-it" rationale.
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I have a very limited legal perspective but still can't see which way this whole thing is headed...

Is not guilty/mistrial more likely than guilty?
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aggiehawg said:

eric76 said:

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eric76 said:



A grand-uncle of mine shot and killed his son-in-law in a jewelry store in Dallas iin front of plenty of witnesses in the 1940s. He was a former FBI agent and a former Chief of Police of Dallas.

His trial in Dallas resulted in a hung jury. So they retried him in a nearby town (I think it was Kaufman). The second trial ended in a verdict of not guilty.
Just curious - How'd he get off with all the witnesses present?
Different times. The son-in-law didn't get a divorce before marrying his daughter. I guess the jury took a dim view of that.
Yeah, the old "so-what-if-he-did-it-the guy-deserved-it" rationale.
We had a trial around here years ago in which the defendent swore that he didn't commit a burglary but he couldn't remember where he was at the time.

During the trial, someone said something that reminded him of where he was -- in jail about 100 miles away. He told his lawyer and the lawyer talked to the judge. They called the sheriff of the other county who came to court the next morning with his jail records that showed the defendant was actually in jail 100 miles away during the burglary.

From what I've been told, some of the jurors wanted to continue the trial and find him guilty because they knew that he would eventually do that or worse around here.
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Next juror didn't catch the number. Has a concern of hardship if sequestered.

Nelson is asking about social media statements that he did not disclose in the questionnaire.
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Sounds middle aged man. Professional with his own business.

Initial reaction when he received the packet. He was on a conference when his wife handed it to him and he had a hot mic moment saying, "WTF!"

Has some concerns about safety irrespective of verdict. It doesn't take much for things to turn violent. Believes one verdict would worse in that respect but says it won't affect how he votes.
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Nelson seems to be sighing more. This has to be exhausting.
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schwack schwack said:

Nelson seems to be sighing more. This has to be exhausting.
You have no idea. When you are trial it is practically 24/7. very little sleep because you are always preparing for the next day. The 8 or so hours spent in court is one thing but is much time outside of the court you are working on the case.
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I like this juror. He'll be fair in the jury room.
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This juror lives close to where the Third Precinct was located before it was burned.

Opinions of both Floyd and Chauvin are both somewhat negative. But he says he hasn't seen other evidence yet.
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Said he already has an opinion on Chauvin contributing to the death. Dude is biased.
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At my core I do have issues with a police officer arriving after a suspect is in handcuffs...he says he thinks Chauvin caused Floyd's death but can set that aside.
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He believes they were not following proper police procedure. Can he set that aside? Hesitates when he asked if he could start with the presumption of innocence.

Doesn't think he could Nelson is trying to rehab him but he's sticking to his guns. Nelson turns him over to Judge Cahill.

Cahill questioning him now.

ETA: Can't start at ground zero with the presumption of innocence. Cahill tosses him.
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Why would nelson want to rehab someone saying he cant start at ground zero, to me id want to stop him there and get him canned for cause
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Readzilla said:

Why would nelson want to rehab someone saying he cant start at ground zero, to me id want to stop him there and get him canned for cause
Because otherwise this guy was smart and would fully understand the problems with the medical testimony, the training materials for using knee restraints etc. He was smart enough to be quickly disabused of his current opinions.
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Next juror, male Hispanic sounds like.
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aggiehawg said:

Next juror, male Hispanic sounds like.
Sounds African or Nigerian.
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Heard about a settlement for 27 million. Didn't read the details.

Says it didn't affect him. Unsure how fluent in English this guy is.
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giddings_ag_06 said:

aggiehawg said:

Next juror, male Hispanic sounds like.
Sounds African or Nigerian.
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giddings_ag_06 said:

aggiehawg said:

Next juror, male Hispanic sounds like.
Sounds African or Nigerian.
You are probably right now that I hear more.
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Had to step away for a few. How's this guy doing? Any red flags?
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No red flags IMO. His English is very accented, but he seems to have no problem with it.
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Thanks.
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Has a pretty neutral position about everything so far. seems like he would be a good juror.
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Readzilla said:

Has a pretty neutral position about everything so far. seems like he would be a good juror.
Good. Maybe we'll get a juror seated today after all. Has he said anything that you think raised flags for the state?
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No not really pretty short responses so well see how the state questions him
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Nelson passes for cause.

State's up.
 
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