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What Biden won't say if the jury fails to convict: "We must respect the jury. Jurors are the greatest strength of our legal system."

But interesting ethical question:

If you're on the jury and you think the cops were abusive a-holes but didn't actually cause Floyd's death, would you convict anyway to avoid massive rioting?

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The knee to the neck guy really disgusted me with the face he was making when I first watched the video so I think he deserves some sort of punishment even if it is not criminal... maybe never allow him to be a cop again.

I don't see how any decent human could call that man's death murder. It's not even close.

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. No decent human being would presume to know what another man is thinking during a stressful situation either.

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Decent humans? You're talking about career political *****s prosecuting a policeman for killing a career criminal who killed themselves with a drug overdose. There are no decent humans involved in this.

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The policeman is a criminal too (allegedly), do you think he gave Floyd a chance to put a knee on him?

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What Biden won't say if the jury fails to convict: "We must respect the jury. Jurors are the greatest strength of our legal system."

But interesting ethical question:

If you're on the jury and you think the cops were abusive a-holes but didn't actually cause Floyd's death, would you convict anyway to avoid massive rioting?

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The knee to the neck guy really disgusted me with the face he was making when I first watched the video so I think he deserves some sort of punishment even if it is not criminal... maybe never allow him to be a cop again.

I don't see how any decent human could call that man's death murder. It's not even close.

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. No decent human being would presume to know what another man is thinking during a stressful situation either.

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Decent humans? You're talking about career political *****s prosecuting a policeman for killing a career criminal who killed themselves with a drug overdose. There are no decent humans involved in this.

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. ??? I was addressing the poster I replied to. Not sure what or why your responding to me here???

You still haven't addressed Floyd overdosing on Fentanyl after ingesting it during an arrest in May 2019.

Is it just an extreme coincidence he had a lethal dose of Fentanyl in his system when he died exhibiting the effects of a Fentanyl overdose in May 2020?

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You still haven't addressed Floyd overdosing on Fentanyl after ingesting it during an arrest in May 2019.

Is it just an extreme coincidence he had a lethal dose of Fentanyl in his system when he died exhibiting the effects of a Fentanyl overdose in May 2020?

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I did earlier, please keep up.

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What Biden won't say if the jury fails to convict: "We must respect the jury. Jurors are the greatest strength of our legal system."

But interesting ethical question:

If you're on the jury and you think the cops were abusive a-holes but didn't actually cause Floyd's death, would you convict anyway to avoid massive rioting?

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The knee to the neck guy really disgusted me with the face he was making when I first watched the video so I think he deserves some sort of punishment even if it is not criminal... maybe never allow him to be a cop again.

I don't see how any decent human could call that man's death murder. It's not even close.

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. No decent human being would presume to know what another man is thinking during a stressful situation either.

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Decent humans? You're talking about career political *****s prosecuting a policeman for killing a career criminal who killed themselves with a drug overdose. There are no decent humans involved in this.

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The policeman is a criminal too (allegedly), do you think he gave Floyd a chance to put a knee on him?

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If you watched the whole video, he gave Floyd multiple chances to avoid it.

2Pac is putting on a clinic today in how to engage in motivated reasoning. Absolutely textbook. Very impressive.

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What Biden won't say if the jury fails to convict: "We must respect the jury. Jurors are the greatest strength of our legal system."

But interesting ethical question:

If you're on the jury and you think the cops were abusive a-holes but didn't actually cause Floyd's death, would you convict anyway to avoid massive rioting?

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The knee to the neck guy really disgusted me with the face he was making when I first watched the video so I think he deserves some sort of punishment even if it is not criminal... maybe never allow him to be a cop again.

I don't see how any decent human could call that man's death murder. It's not even close.

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. No decent human being would presume to know what another man is thinking during a stressful situation either.

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Decent humans? You're talking about career political *****s prosecuting a policeman for killing a career criminal who killed themselves with a drug overdose. There are no decent humans involved in this.

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The policeman is a criminal too (allegedly), do you think he gave Floyd a chance to put a knee on him?

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If you watched the whole video, he gave Floyd multiple chances to avoid it.

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Then the answer is to add a resisting arrest charge, not engage in extrajudicial killing. Chauvin had multiple opportunities to place Floyd in the recovery position and failed. (E: not just failed, but even disregard the advice from a fellow officer.)

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He couldn't be restrained any other way, including in a car, because he was manic ('excited delirium') and already struggling to breathe from the massive amount of fentanyl he'd ingested that would absolutely kill him.

The knee to the back of the neck had nothing to do with his lungs filling with fluid, and was an approved method of restraint.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/09/02/new-evidence-in-the-george-floyd-case-that-could-change-everything-n2575428

It's in their manual. How can people still not know this?

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I'll just help everyone out again by bumping this.

I honestly want to see how this gets downplayed in trial, because it's basically the perry mason moment

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It's arguable they (primarily Chauvin) didn't follow the training manual correctly (from Kare11):

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MPD Chief Medaria Arradondo has said in interviews and press conferences following the death of George Floyd that officers are not trained to place their knee on a suspect's neck like Chauvin did to Floyd.

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Another slide in the MPD training materials attached to the motion includes a photo of the "recovery position," which illustrates a person turned on his side.

Gray also notes that Lane twice asked Chauvin if they should turn Floyd to his side.

"Chauvin, a 20-year veteran and (field training officer) told Lane, no, keep him where he is at until the ambulance arrives. Chauvin assured Lane that Floyd was fine where he was," Gray wrote.

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There was a point where he may have required the restraint, but the threat was neutralized at some point and the "maximal" part of the restraint should have been lifted.

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Bump, because people have a hard time reading. Chauvin did not apply the technique as described in the manual, and ignored the rest of the manual.

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What Biden won't say if the jury fails to convict: "We must respect the jury. Jurors are the greatest strength of our legal system."

But interesting ethical question:

If you're on the jury and you think the cops were abusive a-holes but didn't actually cause Floyd's death, would you convict anyway to avoid massive rioting?

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The knee to the neck guy really disgusted me with the face he was making when I first watched the video so I think he deserves some sort of punishment even if it is not criminal... maybe never allow him to be a cop again.

I don't see how any decent human could call that man's death murder. It's not even close.

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Decent humans? You're talking about career political *****s prosecuting a policeman for killing a career criminal who killed themselves with a drug overdose. There are no decent humans involved in this.

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The policeman is a criminal too (allegedly), do you think he gave Floyd a chance to put a knee on him?

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If you watched the whole video, he gave Floyd multiple chances to avoid it.

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Then the answer is to add a resisting arrest charge, not engage in extrajudicial killing. Chauvin had multiple opportunities to place Floyd in the recovery position and failed. (E: not just failed, but even disregard the advice from a fellow officer.)

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So you were wrong, and now you are lying.

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2Pac is putting on a clinic today in how to engage in motivated reasoning hyperbolic absurdities. Absolutely textbook. Very impressive.

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FIFY.

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not engage in extrajudicial killing.

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making the assumption you're not just trolling (lol i know), you're never going to get honest dialogue when you insist on bald-faced lying to support your already flimsy stance.

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He couldn't be restrained any other way, including in a car, because he was manic ('excited delirium') and already struggling to breathe from the massive amount of fentanyl he'd ingested that would absolutely kill him.

The knee to the back of the neck had nothing to do with his lungs filling with fluid, and was an approved method of restraint.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/09/02/new-evidence-in-the-george-floyd-case-that-could-change-everything-n2575428

It's in their manual. How can people still not know this?

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Defense attorneys for the officers have signaled they will argue Floyd died from the drugs and pre-existing health conditions.

The new documents say Floyd had a "heavy heart" and "at least one artery was approximately 75% blocked."

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And again, he was covid positive as well.

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He couldn't be restrained any other way, including in a car, because he was manic ('excited delirium') and already struggling to breathe from the massive amount of fentanyl he'd ingested that would absolutely kill him.

The knee to the back of the neck had nothing to do with his lungs filling with fluid, and was an approved method of restraint.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/09/02/new-evidence-in-the-george-floyd-case-that-could-change-everything-n2575428

It's in their manual. How can people still not know this?

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That's a lie. He was not manic and he was not struggling to breathe beforehand.
"3. At 8:17 p.m., Chauvin and Thao arrived on the scene. (Thao, BWC at 20:17:07.) As they approached, they saw Kueng and Lane trying to force Floyd into the back of the squad car, and heard a bystander yelling to Floyd that he should get in the car because "you can't win." (Thao, BWC at 20:17:19-48.) Floyd responded he was not "trying to win," and told the officers four times that he was claustrophobic and that he wanted to speak to them outside the squad car. (Thao, BWC at 20:17:22-47.) Floyd also pleaded for the officers to allow him to get on the ground or do "anything" other than get in the car. (Thao, BWC at 20:17:25-29.) The officers, however, ignored Floyd's pleas. Chauvin watched from the sidewalk as Kueng pushed Floyd into the back seat from the driver's side. (Thao, BWC at 20:17:37-59.) Chauvin then circled to the passenger's side of the car and instructed Lane to pull Floyd into the car. (Thao & Lane, BWC at 20:17:59-20:18:05.) During this time, Floyd continued to plead with the officers, repeating "please, Mr. Officer, please" and "I'm not a bad guy." (Thao, BWC at 20:17:49-20:18:00.) Floyd also exclaimed: "I can't breathe, Mr. Officer. Please." (Thao, BWC at 20:18:05-08.) Floyd fell partway through the rear passenger's side door, and he asked to be laid on the ground. (Thao, BWC at 20:18:15-20.) Chauvin and Lane, however, pinned Floyd against the passenger's side back seat, while Thao watched from the driver's side. (Thao, BWC at 20:18:22- 27-CR-20-12646 Filed in District Court State of Minnesota 9/18/2020 1:52 PM 7 29; Thao, BWC at 20:18:30-48; Thao, BCA Interview at 32:34-40.) During this time, Floyd continued to yell "please," and repeatedly said he couldn't breathe, explaining that he "just had COVID" and telling the officers "I'm not going to run." (Kueng, Thao, & Lane, BWC at 20:17:59-20:19:01.) But the officers dismissed his complaints. Chauvin told him: "You're talking. . . . It takes a lot of oxygen to . . . say 'I can't breathe.'" (Thao, BWC at 20:18:40-46.) When the other officers were unable to lift Floyd into the squad car, Thao said: "We're just going to have to hogtie him." (Thao, BWC at 20:18:48-50.) He then circled to the passenger's side and repeated: "We're just gonna have to tie him." (Thao, BWC at 20:18:52- 53.) Lane agreed, telling Chauvin and Kueng: "Let's take him out and just MRT"referring to the Maximal Restraint Technique, which utilizes the Hobble device to "secure a subject's feet to their waist in order to prevent the movement of legs."2 Exhibit 1, MPD Policy & Procedure Manual 5-316 III, Chauvin Mot. to Dismiss Ex. 15, at 22. (Lane, BWC at 20:19:02-04.) The others agreed, and Chauvin and Kueng took Floyd to the ground. (Thao, BWC at 20:19:06-11.) "


The restraint did not follow procedures. Motion to dismiss based on that argument was denied.
"Under MPD policies in effect at the time of Floyd's death, the most extreme uses of forceMRT, Neck Restraints, and Deadly Forceare reserved for the most extreme situations. Officers are trained to use the MRT only "where handcuffed subjects are combative and still pose a threat to themselves, officers or others, or could cause significant damage to property if not properly restrained." Id. at 5-316(IV)(A)(1). "As soon as reasonably possible, any person restrained using the MRT who is in the prone position"that is, on his or her stomach"shall be placed" in "the side recovery position" if "the hobble restraint device is used." Id. at 5- 316(IV)(B)(1). Officers are instructed that, "as soon as possible," they must "[p]lace a restrained subject on their side in order to reduce pressure on his/her chest and facilitate breathing." Exhibit 3, 2019 MPD Use of Force Manual, at 3. Officers are also trained not to employ a "neck restraint""[d]efined as compressing one or both sides of a person's neck with an arm or leg""against subjects who are passively resisting." Exhibit 1, MPD Policy & Procedure Manual 5-311(I), (II)(C). MPD policy defines 5 This policy, which was in effect when Floyd died, was subsequently updated on June 16, 2020. 27-CR-20-12646 Filed in District Court State of Minnesota 9/18/2020 1:52 PM 16 "passive resistance" as "behavior initiated by a subject, when the subject does not comply with verbal or physical control efforts, yet the subject does not attempt to defeat an officer's control efforts." Id. at 5-302. "An officer who has used a neck restraint or choke hold shall inform" emergency medical personnel "accepting custody of the subject[] that the technique was used on the subject." Id. at 5-311(II)(D)(2). And if unconsciousness occurs, officers are to "request EMS immediately by radio." Exhibit 3, 2019 MPD Use of Force Manual, at 2."

https://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/27-CR-20-12646/Briefs09182020.pdf

The ME has been all over the place with contradictory reports.

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Last week, Chauvin's criminal complaint cited a preliminary report from the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's Office in which it was determined that Floyd likely died from a combination of underlying health conditions, being restrained by police, and any potential intoxicants in his system. There was reportedly no physical evidence that he died of asphyxia of strangulation.

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The new report also notes other significant conditions such as arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease; fentanyl intoxication; and recent methamphetamine use.

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Dr. Baden's report.

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Even the pathologists don't agree.

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The Armed Forces Medical Examiner filed a memorandum agreeing with the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's final conclusion that Floyd's death was a homicide, saying, "His death was caused by the police subdual and restraint in the setting of severe hypertensive atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease, and methamphetamine and fentanyl intoxication."

However, two other memos filed Tuesday from the Hennepin County Attorney's Office about conversations with Chief Hennepin County Medical Examiner Dr. Andrew Baker paint a different picture about the nature of Floyd's death.

In one memorandum filed May 26 after a virtual meeting with Baker, the Attorney's Office said Baker concluded, "The autopsy revealed no physical evidence suggesting that Mr. Floyd died of asphyxiation." Baker told the attorney his investigation was incomplete pending a toxicology report, however.
The other memorandum filed June 1 by the Attorney's Office indicated Baker said Floyd's level of fentanyl was "pretty high," and a potentially "fatal level."

"[Dr. Andrew Baker] said that if Mr. Floyd had been found dead in his home (or anywhere else) and there were no other contributing factors he would conclude that it was an overdose death," the June 1 memo said.

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The prosecution's own medical evidence is contradictory

FTR: Dr, Baden justified his finding of asphyxia due to abrasions on Floyd's cheek and nothing else.

He was absolutely manic by any common/legal definition (and is why he had to be put in a patrol car, then taken out of one, and subjected by the senior officer to MRT), and as another poster indicated you otherwise have to assert he was lying when he said he couldn't breathe in the patrol car.

You also have to assume Chauvin meant to kill him despite asking for medical assistance to be expedited.

And also that the position of his torso is what lead to his lungs being filled with fluid vs. the compression on the BACK of his neck, AND his fentanyl overdose.

A pre-trial motion to dismiss is evaluated in a much more stringent manner than a guilty verdict for a murder charge. Regular citizens, as opposed to jurists, should be able to look at the facts as we have known them for over 9 months now and reach a reasonable conclusion that this is not a case of murder.

The person who killed George Floyd was himself.

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A person who takes a depressant and a stimulant together may experience a "push-pull" reaction. They may feel as if they're going back and forth between alertness and drowsiness.
Some speedball drug effects include:

• High blood pressure
• Irregular heart rate
• Anxiety
• Irritability
• High body temperature
• Drowsiness
• Slowed breathing
• Inability to concentrate
• Confusion
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Speedball makes breathing difficult, preventing the individual from receiving a healthy amount of oxygen.

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And also that the position of his torso is what lead to his lungs being filled with fluid vs. the compression on the BACK of his neck, AND his fentanyl overdose.

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Don't forget about the methamphetamines in his system, along with fentanyl is a speedball. (Typically heroin and cocaine but any combination of a powerful depressant and methamphetamine is always dangerous.)

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A person who takes a depressant and a stimulant together may experience a "push-pull" reaction. They may feel as if they're going back and forth between alertness and drowsiness.
Some speedball drug effects include:

• High blood pressure
• Irregular heart rate
• Anxiety
• Irritability
• High body temperature
• Drowsiness
• Slowed breathing
• Inability to concentrate
• Confusion
• Paranoia

Speedball makes breathing difficult, preventing the individual from receiving a healthy amount of oxygen.

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Always dangerous? I could introduce you to friends that would argue that's how you pre-game before heading to East St. Louis.

Again, a person shouldn't have to give an officer a complete medical history and a list of prescription (or recreational) drugs prior to being restrained by a police officer. Despite that, Floyd revealed he had covid and that still didn't trigger any additional caution, in fact dismissing the disclosure. Floyd was able to grind it out on the court and help a person move furniture, so he was healthy enough for some amount of physical exertion but not the type Chauvin's knee caused him. Chauvin went rogue in his restraint. Floyd wasn't found dead in his home alone, he died under Chauvin's knee.

Under Chauvin's knee because of the drugs he took

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Yeah, there probably won't be many disputing this. The issue is did he die because he was under Chauvin's knee? From what I have seen and read, that is going to be tough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

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Did he die while still under the knee, or was later? Genuine question.

because I understood that at "9:25 p.m. Floyd dies at Hennepin County Medical Center"

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Are you aware he overdosed on Fentanyl in a May 2019 arrest that required him being taken to an emergency room to save his life?

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The overdose occurred on May 6, 2019, the motion said: "At that time Mr. George Floyd was engaged in the sale and possession of large quantities of controlled substances. When approached by police he placed drugs in his mouth in an attempt to avoid arrest, and swallowed them."

And then he did what he did on May 25 when he ingested a fatal overdose of fentanyl:

When interacting with police he engaged in diversionary behavior such as crying and acted irrationally. An ambulance was called to transport Mr. Floyd to the hospital.

The facts and circumstances of Mr. Floyd's May 6, 2019 medical intervention at Hennepin County Medical Center for "accidental drug ingestion." At which time Mr. Floyd disclosed that he "snorts oxycodone daily," was hypertensive and not taking medications, took street drugs prior to admission (PTA) and while under arrest was tearful because he was accused of selling drugs by the police and has been abusing opiates for the last year and a half.

"He did exactly the same thing," Lane's attorney said.

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I thought the body cam footage would not be allowed, but the transcript would be.

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According to CBS, Judge Peter Cahill will not allow the body cam footage. However, a transcript of the video will be allowed.

The transcripts, which were obtained by WCCO, say Floyd was the passenger in an unlicensed vehicle that was stopped by Minneapolis PD. After Floyd is asked to unbuckle his seat belt three times, he says "don't shoot me, man."

Floyd is then told several times, according to the transcripts, to put his hands on the dash, but he allegedly didn't listen. The officer subsequently says, "Put your hands on the dash. It's the last time I'm going to tell you that. It's simple. He keeps moving his hands around."

The transcript says the officer pulled his gun while another officer approaches and tells Floyd, "open your mouth. Spit out what you've got."

Floyd admitted it was a pill in his mouth, according to the transcript. He is then removed from the vehicle as a third officer points a taser at him. Floyd replies, "I thought you were just playing."

Similar to the arrest that cost him his life, the body camera footage reportedly shows Floyd crying for his mother.

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In the 2020 incident, 15 minutes after this image in the body cam video, Floyd lost consciousness.

What other drugs in Floyd's system could the pill have been? Whatever it was, he consumed it after he was described by the shop employee to the 911 operator as being "extremely drunk" and "not in control of himself". If Floyd was not incapacitated prior to ingesting the pill on the body cam footage, why didn't he drive off in the 15 minute period between the shop employee confronting him at his vehicle and the police arriving?

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And also that the position of his torso is what lead to his lungs being filled with fluid vs. the compression on the BACK of his neck, AND his fentanyl overdose.

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Don't forget about the methamphetamines in his system, along with fentanyl is a speedball. (Typically heroin and cocaine but any combination of a powerful depressant and methamphetamine is always dangerous.)

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A person who takes a depressant and a stimulant together may experience a "push-pull" reaction. They may feel as if they're going back and forth between alertness and drowsiness.
Some speedball drug effects include:

• High blood pressure
• Irregular heart rate
• Anxiety
• Irritability
• High body temperature
• Drowsiness
• Slowed breathing
• Inability to concentrate
• Confusion
• Paranoia

Speedball makes breathing difficult, preventing the individual from receiving a healthy amount of oxygen.

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Always dangerous? I could introduce you to friends that would argue that's how you pre-game before heading to East St. Louis.

Again, a person shouldn't have to give an officer a complete medical history and a list of prescription (or recreational) drugs prior to being restrained by a police officer. Despite that, Floyd revealed he had covid and that still didn't trigger any additional caution, in fact dismissing the disclosure. Floyd was able to grind it out on the court and help a person move furniture, so he was healthy enough for some amount of physical exertion but not the type Chauvin's knee caused him. Chauvin went rogue in his restraint. Floyd wasn't found dead in his home alone, he died under Chauvin's knee.

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Are you sure? And are you sure that is what CAUSED him to die?

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A person who takes a depressant and a stimulant together may experience a "push-pull" reaction. They may feel as if they're going back and forth between alertness and drowsiness.
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• High blood pressure he was already hypertensive
• Irregular heart rate
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• Irritability check
• High body temperature
• Drowsiness
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• Inability to concentrate check
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Floyd exhibited at least 7 out of 10 of those drug effects. And he had a crack pipe on him when he was patted down.

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Did he die while still under the knee, or was later? Genuine question.

because I understood that at "9:25 p.m. Floyd dies at Hennepin County Medical Center"

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They usually pronounce time of death at the ER unless there is anMD on scene. But the point of contention regarding the knee will be reasonable and necessary use of force. Chauvin's attorney will point out Floyd's conduct plus the need to immobilize him as a felony suspect, establishing that long hill for the prosecution to mount. The overzealous prosecution efforts in hiring outside legal guns could come back to haunt them. If they cannot prove wrongful death by intention and have to settle for manslaughter (and that may be questionable) then the balloon may go up on the streets because trying to sell a plea deal now would be like trying to convince a lynch mob in the 1920s that a black man was innocent when caught with a white woman in sexual congress.

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Did he die while still under the knee, or was later? Genuine question.

because I understood that at "9:25 p.m. Floyd dies at Hennepin County Medical Center"

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You could be right, should have said due to Chauvin's knee. From Medpage Today:

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This means that Floyd stopped breathing and his heart stopped beating (cardiopulmonary arrest) because of the injury caused by his restraint in the custody of law enforcement officers, to include asphyxia from neck compression. Asphyxia means that there is a lack of oxygen going to the brain. It can happen from obstruction of the airway, restriction of breathing from compression of the neck or chest, or the prevention of blood flow to the brain by collapsing the blood vessels in the neck. It can also happen from the replacement of oxygen in the blood by carbon monoxide, or depletion of oxygen in the atmosphere, like in a fire. "Cardiopulmonary arrest" is not a heart attack. Online sources that imply that the medical examiner is covering up George Floyd's death by calling it a "heart attack" are wrong.

The death certificate's "other significant conditions" -- Floyd's natural heart disease and the presence of drugs of abuse in his tested blood -- do not excuse the officers, nor should they cause anyone to blame the victim. They are there on the death certificate because those findings, in the opinion of the medical examiner, would have made his death more likely. They are not the cause of death. The cause of death is police restraint.

At the end of their press release, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner adds the following important reminder: "Under Minnesota state law, the Medical Examiner is a neutral and independent office and is separate and distinct from any prosecutorial authority or law enforcement agency." Regardless of whether experts agree with their interpretation of the evidence, they were the first to collect it, and because they did their job, that evidence is now available for public scrutiny in a court of law.

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I don't know why people will only acknowledge half of the medical examiners report and then ignore its conclusion, instead listen to Tucker Carlson lie about fentanyl being the cause when even Fox News says Tucker Carlson is not be trusted.

No you shouldn't have said that, because it's not true. Knees don't cause overdoses.

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Don't forget about the methamphetamines in his system, along with fentanyl is a speedball. (Typically heroin and cocaine but any combination of a powerful depressant and methamphetamine is always dangerous.)

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A person who takes a depressant and a stimulant together may experience a "push-pull" reaction. They may feel as if they're going back and forth between alertness and drowsiness.
Some speedball drug effects include:

• High blood pressure
• Irregular heart rate
• Anxiety
• Irritability
• High body temperature
• Drowsiness
• Slowed breathing
• Inability to concentrate
• Confusion
• Paranoia

Speedball makes breathing difficult, preventing the individual from receiving a healthy amount of oxygen.

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Yes, clearly to any non-partisan-antifa observer the fentanyl-heroin is what caused his death (filled the lungs with fluid, also the whole pulmonary sequence). He was absolutely a dead man walking before he was pulled out of the car.

"I thought you were playing" is what should be on his gravestone, and what young people should be told is an intolerable thing to consider/ponder when engaging with law officers demanding compliance at an arrest/traffic stop.

The person responsible for his death is irrefutably himself. He was a terrible parent, citizen, and drug addict.

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Also paying social media influencers to provide city approved messages

https://www.dailywire.com/news/minneapolis-to-hire-social-media-influencers-to-spread-city-approved-messages-during-derek-chauvin-trial

Yeah tell me how we aren't in Mao's China.

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Grounds for mistrial? Might be a better strategy than allowing Chauvin to be found not guilty. With a mistrial they can still milk this forever.