AggieFanatic09 said:

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This version would fall better in with the complete story line of 40+ years; however, Disney dumbed this way down for the newer generation.

They wanted and have focused on Rey's story. REY's story. If they were like "hey you're Palpatine's granddaughter and I'm darth plagueis, welcome to thunder dome" then you'd have 10Million kids wearing Rey and Po costumes going "who's darth palpatine?"

This is about Reys heritage and facing her past and destiny. Although it kind of threw shade to ROTJ I thought it bridged the old, and for Disney most importantly, the New.

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You are probably right. But I think they underestimate the fans. If they watched even Revenge of the Sith they heard Plagueis mentioned. If they aren't watching the prior movies, what is the point. Playing him as the "Master of the Sith" and the Jedi's enemy in TROS wouldn't need alot of background. A dumbed down version could just say "Palpatine's teacher"--his Yoda. That says it all. Rey's struggle is with her dark heritage. I think they could have easily made it work if they just slowed down a little. They rushed so much, they didn't even have time to step back and look at it--or these things might have become more obvious. Since people will go see a movie whenever you release it, maybe one of their biggest mistakes these days is naming a date (especially a month) of release on early trailers. It forces hasty revisions if you are having script or director issues.

A TON more concept art can be seen here...

https://imgur.com/a/qjEWhkR

While the US version of the Art Of book was delayed until March, the Korean version is now out and screen shots are starting to pop up all over.

Even more here...

Some of this Kylo stuff is wild...

I like the one where he's facing the 2 demon dogs from Ghostbusters

I just want my Art of The Mandalorian book.

TCTTS said:

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A TON more concept art can be seen here...

https://imgur.com/a/qjEWhkR

While the US version of the Art Of book was delayed until March, the Korean version is now out and screen shots are starting to pop up all over.

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Keep an eye on it. The Korean version may be better and more detailed. There was a Japanese album on Return of the Jedi that had so much more than its American counterpart. Then later, turns out one of the best books on the early Star Was was one called Chronicles, and it was actually originally Japanese and blew away anything available on the English side. It was published into English in 1997.

On the recent "Art of" books though, does it seem like they are including less and less of the actual shots of the great sets and ships? Or `during filming shots' of the sets? The early Art books had those. (You get them by the Visual Dicitionary now though)

I like the one of Rey standing next to Kylo in a command chair. Are they allied there?

And who is Rey choking in the one near the end?

One thing can clearly make out---the original sequence with the Death Star wreckage apparently involved swimming into a lower section submerged.

Yeah, to me The Art of books for the sequel trilogy have been more of a "what could have been" rather than showcasing the stuff that made the cut. I think that's what I like these latest books so much is getting more of a peek at the development process and the things that almost were.

I assume that's Kylo she's choking, and no idea if they're allied or what in the other pic. And yeah, a version of Rey swimming in the lower section of the wreckage was even The Art of book for TFA. Abrams has been obsessed with that idea for years, but never got to pull it off.

TCTTS said:

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Yeah, to me The Art of books for the sequel trilogy have been more of a "what could have been" rather than showcasing the stuff that made the cut. I think that's what I like these latest books so much is getting more of a peek at the development process and the things that almost were.

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Yes, they definitely do that. Because by the nature of development if it got to the point of having a set or a model it probably made it into the story. Only in paintings and storyboard like these do you get alternative directions they were going. So I agree. I just had noticed the lessening of the behind scenes coverage compared to the classic Art of era books.

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You got it every week in the end credits.

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And that's why I want it

Bigger character build up with quicker let down, phasma or the knights

bluefire579 said:

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Definitely Phasma. Knights of Ren were very briefly shown in TFA, not shown at all in TLJ, and finally were just there in TROS.

Phasma had a decently big name attached to the part, the fancy shiny armor that was shown off in promos, and then just got her ass kicked anytime she had to do anything.

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Also killed in a kind of pointless way. With a build-up like that, it makes sense to find a way to conserve the character. The personal connection animus could come into play later. Just pin her under collapsed girders for the "take that" scene.

After all, the Supremacy wasn't entirely destroyed. We never saw it blow up or anything. On the contrary, its quite clear it did not because of the canon and massed walkers deployed on Crait.

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I had the day off while the wife was at work and daughter at daycare so I finally got to see the movie.

I went in with low expectations, knew some spoilers, and came out thinking..

Rise of Skywalker is my favorite Star Wars movie. I watched all of them in the last few weeks and episode 9 was my favorite. Great heart, great action sequences, best depiction of the new characters. I think this trilogy could have been better if Abrams had done all three, and if there wasn't so much fan service to the original trilogy characters between The Force Awakens and Rise of Skywalker.

Don't @ me.

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Good for you, man! I've been trying to go see it a third time but work and health issues have limited my chances to date. It doesn't outrank the OT for me, but I've got it ahead of all the PT, and probably tied with TFA for 4th, hard to knock TFA out of the way with so much Han Solo in it.

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bluefire579 said:

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Definitely Phasma. Knights of Ren were very briefly shown in TFA, not shown at all in TLJ, and finally were just there in TROS.

Phasma had a decently big name attached to the part, the fancy shiny armor that was shown off in promos, and then just got her ass kicked anytime she had to do anything.

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Also killed in a kind of pointless way. With a build-up like that, it makes sense to find a way to conserve the character. The personal connection animus could come into play later. Just pin her under collapsed girders for the "take that" scene.

After all, the Supremacy wasn't entirely destroyed. We never saw it blow up or anything. On the contrary, its quite clear it did not because of the canon and massed walkers deployed on Crait.

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Phasma would have been another great opportunity to have a First Order leader flip. Although her screen time was brief, she was only one of a couple First Order characters that actually acted like professional military, like all the greats in the Empire in the OT. Phasma having a crisis of conscience when the FO merged with Palpatine's super duper evilness would have been cool.

Urban Ag said:

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titan said:

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bluefire579 said:

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Definitely Phasma. Knights of Ren were very briefly shown in TFA, not shown at all in TLJ, and finally were just there in TROS.

Phasma had a decently big name attached to the part, the fancy shiny armor that was shown off in promos, and then just got her ass kicked anytime she had to do anything.

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Also killed in a kind of pointless way. With a build-up like that, it makes sense to find a way to conserve the character. The personal connection animus could come into play later. Just pin her under collapsed girders for the "take that" scene.

After all, the Supremacy wasn't entirely destroyed. We never saw it blow up or anything. On the contrary, its quite clear it did not because of the canon and massed walkers deployed on Crait.

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Phasma would have been another great opportunity to have a First Order leader flip. Although her screen time was brief, she was only one of a couple First Order characters that actually acted like professional military, like all the greats in the Empire in the OT. Phasma having a crisis of conscience when the FO merged with Palpatine's super duper evilness would have been cool.

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Oh, that could indeed have been interesting. In fact, both Hux and Phasma showed a certain real discernible pride in how they trained real troopers in a professional manner. By `real' meaning they were not cloned. They were impressed into service, which is horrible by our era, but unfortunately clearly in Star Wars it follows more ancient precedents. (and some not so ancient--the Royal Navy did it in the early 1800's still) Allowing for that then, Phasma conceivably would have the pride a gladiator trainer does -- in context. (Actually, when I think about it -- naval impressment of the 1600-1800's is a more apt comparison. The First Order service shown has more naval allusions and deployment aspects )You have a very interesting idea there. But like Boba Fett in ROTJ, they never seem to realize when their small supporting characters could turn into so much more. Funny how only after all these decades does Mandalorian tap into that.

Yeah I've stated that before on these threads a number of times. The Empire was believable because the officers looked and acted like professional soldiers. Sorely missing in the new series.

This gif is the epitome of just how awesome the Imperials were in the OT.




Lord Vader, we are targeting the main power generators. The shield will be down in moments. You may start your landing.

One of the big weaknesses in the latest Star Wars trilogy is that nobody explains how the First Order and then the Final Order acquired the resources to build these giant armadas that can swamp everybody else.

The Empire was broken after the battle of Jakku where Palpatine had intended the imperials to make a suicidal last stand. A rump remnant retreats to the unknown regions severely depleted of materials. Yet magically a generation later they have built enough space docks to create a giant armada and create star killer base.

Even more spectacularly Palpatine is also in the Unknown Regions creating a second and larger armada.

Who paid for this? Where did the metal and all the resources to construct the ship come from? I understand the First Order was kidnapping and brainwashing kids, but evidently the rump after the battle of Jakku magically had the resources to immediately start kidnapping and brainwashing millions of kids like Finn to become the new storm troopers...not to mention the Emperor somehow got all these people to build him a fleet.

And nobody in the Republic knew about this, all these kids disheartening and all these resources being diverted to build a new fleet that could dwarf the Resistance. Construction of such huge fleets is damn expensive..but yet somehow it happened anyways.

At least in the original trilogy they came up with a back story that had the mon calamari defect with their star destroyers making the Rebellion a serious threat. Here large dreadnoughts are been manufactured out of nothing.

Nikator,

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One of the big weaknesses in the latest Star Wars trilogy is that nobody explains how the First Order and then the Final Order acquired the resources to build these giant armadas that can swamp everybody else.

The Empire was broken after the battle of Jakku where Palpatine had intended the imperials to make a suicidal last stand. A rump remnant retreats to the unknown regions severely depleted of materials. Yet magically a generation later they have built enough space docks to create a giant armada and create star killer base.

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The supporting material and so-called visual dictionaries shed some, but not adequate, light. Turns out that during the great rebellion (what we call the original trilogy) Palpatine was only partly focused on the uprising. He was busy attempting to explore and colonize the unknown regions that held many ancient Sith secrets. Bases and yards were built during this time frame as an infrastructure. Even colonies set up.

Then comes ROTJ, and more particularly, after it, the finale at Jakku. Defeated Imperial remnants retreating to the Unknown regions were surprised to encounter these colonies and fully functional shipyards that had been kept kind of in a `black budget' style secrecy. The First Order actually emerges from these, and the Unknown regions.

OK. Fine.

But what is not explained is why this as you say seems so much more powerful than even the fallen Empire in some ways- - Snoke's flagship dwarfs anything seen yet, and the new Star Destroyers are more powerful and better protected. Yet because they are colonies, there is alot of youthfulness in the First Order. They don't have alot of the equivalent of Boomers (Pryde would be one) So their personnel make-up is kind of inexperienced or finding their way. Yet oddly enough the Sith destroyers are Rogue-1 era designs and crewed not even by First Order people, but Sith acolytes and adherants (not Force wielders though). So it seems the explanations don't go together all that well.

Sure its just a movie, but fans in sci-fi wouldn't bother talking about this stuff at all if you are going to just say its "all made up" and you asked a question that calls for an answer. That is in "within universe" terms, there is still much that just doesn't make sense.

It's just lazy storytelling. "We have to make it bigger", rinse and repeat. The OT dealt with a rebellion. The Prequels showed a similar overthrow, in the other direction. Why not present the good guys successfully defending an uprising of evil? Or even use some of those SuBvErTeD ExPeCtATiOnS to have the bad guys win and out the force back in balance with no Sith or Jedi?

The part at 4:40!

That was good.

With Disney on the verge of collapse right now, it may be a long time before more Star Wars. Maybe they'll get the movie part right next time.