Cromagnum said:
Snoke was made up to be the new big bad, but the TLJ treatment screwed that up.
Cinco Ranch Aggie said:Lawrence Kasdan was the primary writer for The Force Awakens. This is the same guy who wrote The Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, and Raiders of the Lost Ark. He is definitely a great writer.Quote:
Disney officially ignored it, and didn't bother to hire good or creative writers for these movies
For The Force Awakens, I think he may have been directed to put together a "safe" Star Wars movie, which The Force Awakens definitely was. Not a whole lot of originality or new themes, just something familiar to fans of the OT.
AustinAg2K said:Cromagnum said:
Snoke was made up to be the new big bad, but the TLJ treatment screwed that up.
I actually liked what they did with Snoke in TLJ. Kylo Ren turning on his master and trying to be the top dog is exactly what I would expect a Sith to do. They are about power. The problem is that JJ didn't go all in on that idea. Instead of bringing back Palpentine, they should have just made Kylo the ultimate bad guy. Instead of making it a redemption story like they original trilogy was with Vader, they should have just had Kylo become a new Emporer.
Ulrich said:
After 20,000 years of organized study by thousands of Jedi and sith, jedi could sense and react to danger, run fast, move objects, and sometimes influence weak minds.
After 30 years with a total of exactly 3 Jedi, Jedi can now rip ships on full thruster from the sky, bring people back to life, fight through force-space-time, teleport objects, fly, and who knows what all else. It's not exactly a small incremental change, it's a quantum leap when one shouldn't happen.
Or, if unwilling to all that way with Kylo, have at the very end of LTJ him being addressed---to learn the voice is Darth Plagueis and calling him to Exogol....then roll credits.AustinAg2K said:Cromagnum said:
Snoke was made up to be the new big bad, but the TLJ treatment screwed that up.
I actually liked what they did with Snoke in TLJ. Kylo Ren turning on his master and trying to be the top dog is exactly what I would expect a Sith to do. They are about power. The problem is that JJ didn't go all in on that idea. Instead of bringing back Palpentine, they should have just made Kylo the ultimate bad guy. Instead of making it a redemption story like they original trilogy was with Vader, they should have just had Kylo become a new Emporer.
Ulrich said:
After 20,000 years of organized study by thousands of Jedi and sith, jedi could sense and react to danger, run fast, move objects, and sometimes influence weak minds.
After 30 years with a total of exactly 3 Jedi, Jedi can now rip ships on full thruster from the sky, bring people back to life, fight through force-space-time, teleport objects, fly, and who knows what all else. It's not exactly a small incremental change, it's a quantum leap when one shouldn't happen.
AustinAg2K said:
Yeah, if they're going to have the Emporer again, they definitely needed to introduce him TLJ. They should have also just made him a force ghost or something, although I would have rather not have the Emporer at all.
amercer said:
Hot take: TLJ was the best of the ST
Perhaps a bit of a reach, but there is a scene in TLJ where they touch each other's hand during one of those Force sessions they had in those. Other than that, I have nothing.Quote:
but there was never ANYTHING that alluded to any sort of romantic bond between them
I agree. There appeared to be an undercurrent there. Or at least one intended, which is almost the same thing.DannyDuberstein said:
There was a chemistry. The Snoke death was one example. That chemistry was part of the pull toward the dark side.
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the kiss?. Come on. I get Ben sacrificing himself for Rey, but there was never ANYTHING that alluded to any sort of romantic bond between them. I let out an audible "oh, COME ON" in the theater when this happened.
Ulrich said:
After 20,000 years of organized study by thousands of Jedi and sith, jedi could sense and react to danger, run fast, move objects, and sometimes influence weak minds.
After 30 years with a total of exactly 3 Jedi, Jedi can now rip ships on full thruster from the sky, bring people back to life, fight through force-space-time, teleport objects, fly, and who knows what all else. It's not exactly a small incremental change, it's a quantum leap when one shouldn't happen.
Ulrich said:
After 20,000 years of organized study by thousands of Jedi and sith, jedi could sense and react to danger, run fast, move objects, and sometimes influence weak minds.
After 30 years with a total of exactly 3 Jedi, Jedi can now rip ships on full thruster from the sky, bring people back to life, fight through force-space-time, teleport objects, fly, and who knows what all else. It's not exactly a small incremental change, it's a quantum leap when one shouldn't happen.
FL_Ag1998 said:Quote:
the kiss?. Come on. I get Ben sacrificing himself for Rey, but there was never ANYTHING that alluded to any sort of romantic bond between them. I let out an audible "oh, COME ON" in the theater when this happened.
There was a clear romantic chemistry between the two of them in TLJ, which just shows you don't really pay attention and means all of your critiques are worthless.
jbryan10 said:
I got through 2/3 of the thread before giving up, but did anybody else catch that they killed Snap Wexley?
tk for tu juan said:Ulrich said:
After 20,000 years of organized study by thousands of Jedi and sith, jedi could sense and react to danger, run fast, move objects, and sometimes influence weak minds.
After 30 years with a total of exactly 3 Jedi, Jedi can now rip ships on full thruster from the sky, bring people back to life, fight through force-space-time, teleport objects, fly, and who knows what all else. It's not exactly a small incremental change, it's a quantum leap when one shouldn't happen.
How many thousands of years did the jedi council suppress the use of these other forces? With the council out of the way, Rey is in the middle of a force liberation. Burn baby burn
Not to mention how was Kylo/Ben able to fly to Exogol and save the day in a 20+ year old, massive explosion survivor, undamaged "short-range fighter?"Mac94 said:
When did Tie Fighters become capable of light speed? They're short range fighters, always have been. Now all the sudden they're tracking the Falcon on this Hyperspace skipping thing chase and following. That makes no sense.
Mac94 said:
When did Tie Fighters become capable of light speed? They're short range fighters, always have been. Now all the sudden they're tracking the Falcon on this Hyperspace skipping thing chase and following. That makes no sense.
