C@LAg said:

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yes or no.

Does Lando die?

thx

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No.

C@LAg said:

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Laser Wolf said:

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How come Palpatine's son (Rey's father) wasn't some badass force user that stirred sheet up in the SW universe?

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palpy probably killed him after he had a child to eliminate a potential threat.

/starwars sith logic

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I'm new to this (my 15 year old son is the Star Wars fan) but after seeing the movie with him yesterday, I had the same question about Rey's family.

According to my son, Anakin didn't have a father (and reading online, his mother became pregnant "by the force"). Why wouldn't/couldn't Rey have been born the same?

There were things that Palpatine said at the end of the movie that made me think he could have been the one who "created" Anakin, too.

Edited: I guess in TROS, they did say Palpatine had a son who denounced him. Palpatine eventually found the son and his wife and killed them but not before they hid Rey away. I understood the latter but not that Rey's father was Rey's actual father/Palpatine's son.

I liked the movie, but this was a very confusing plot point.

Saw it again tonight, liked it better the second time. I noticed when Leia handed Rey Luke's lightsaber, it had weld/repair marks in it.

Saw this again yesterday. Still liked it for the most part. Focused less on the plot holes and more on the characters themselves.

Reinforced my thoughts the first time around that Kylo Ren was by far the most interesting character in this trilogy. Luke might have been up there had they done something with him in the second film that didn't make him look like a dumbass. It took until near the very end of TRoS to make me care a little bit about Rey. By the end of it I liked her a lot.

Pretty much everyone else was boring and failed to develop a connection with the audience. Poe I guess was supposed to be the hotshot sarcastic guy but everything fell completely flat.

I'm still trying to figure out the point of Finn in the series. Was his job really to follow Rey around and yell out "REYYYY!!!" every time she got in a fight or went sailboating by herself or went on a walk through the woods or went to take a dump without his supervision? That's pretty much all he did. He provided some first order intel but didn't really end up having much of a character arc during the trilogy. He was just...there to do some fighting stuff. He had an inordinate amount of lines.

They completely blew off Rose several times. Made me laugh. "Hey Rose, we're about to leave and spend the next hour of the movie doing stuff, why don't you stay here and get some intel on these new ships. We will get back to you later for a couple lines and leave you again. Okay thanks bye."

The handling of Leia's character was the best they could do under the circumstances. Unfortunately they had to go with the film they already had and clearly were building lines around old takes for different scenes.

Carrie Russell's character was completely pointless. I guess she was there to give Poe her captain's medallion so they could somehow fly up into a star destroyer on the same ship they had been using all along that had been followed and designated as a rebel ship so that no one on the star destroyer would know was the ship they had been chasing the entire time or something like that.

I wish Luke was in the film more.

Lando was pointless. Still nice to see him though.

Lando magically conjured up a million rebel ships. Would have been nice to expand on why those others felt compelled to fight now as opposed to before when they were ok with the first order killing Leia and the others. But there simply wasn't enough time as that should have been addressed in TLJ as to why no one showed up. The Mandalorian does a much better job at showing why the empire should be feared without relegating to yet another planet destroying weapon.

Flashdiaz said:

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Lando magically conjured up a million rebel ships. Would have been nice to expand on why those others felt compelled to fight now as opposed to before when they were ok with the first order killing Leia and the others. But there simply wasn't enough time as that should have been addressed in TLJ as to why no one showed up. The Mandalorian does a much better job at showing why the empire should be feared without relegating to yet another planet destroying weapon.

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That was one of the most irksome almost "Deus ex Machina" moments --- when you watch you realize that he shows up with GREATER force -- the Sith massed fleet is as nothing -- they had the power to wipe out the First Order after they decimated the Alliance capital in TFA all along. And speaking of the First Order, as far as can tell its just Kylo's own ship that is there--all the others are Sith Final Order ships. What of the rest of the new guys? Though what we saw answers that question: they will be so easy to wipe out with such Resistance numbers you wonder why there was a menace in the first place.

I don't want to shut down discussion on a discussion board, but I think this is one of those movies that gets worse the more you think about it.

Unfortunately there won't be another Star Wars movie to think about for quite a while.

amercer said:

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I don't want to shut down discussion on a discussion board, but I think this is one of those movies that gets worse the more you think about it.

Unfortunately there won't be another Star Wars movie to think about for quite a while.

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Oh yes, it has large gaps of logic and substance that the more you dwell on them, the more they can disturb. Just trying to see it as some kind of plausible send-off of the old storyline (especially and while absolutely transposing in my mind Darth Plagueis for Palpatine where can enjoy the irony that Palp's progreny helped bring down the Sith without a family tie to the villain and where the nature of the villain's setup makes more thematic sense)

So much lost due to haste--- not just having to ret-conn TLJ's shipwreck. But haste in setting up the script, linking the events, and above all -- on screen. The great moments of ANH-ROTS are easily recalled sequences long enough you can picture them in your mind.

So I watched endgame on my flight today.

I have seen it about 3 times before this and still liked it.

Am I wrong in comparing the conclusion of the MCU Thanos-arc to Star Wars? If so, then I'll shut up after this post, but in the comparison, endgame is SUCH a better ending to a saga than tROS. Maybe I shouldn't compare them because after all Marvel had more source content than SW, at least in this vein, but while I liked tROS I just felt like it fell short.

OnlyForNow said:

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So I watched endgame on my flight today.

I have seen it about 3 times before this and still liked it.

Am I wrong in comparing the conclusion of the MCU Thanos-arc to Star Wars? If so, then I'll shut up after this post, but in the comparison, endgame is SUCH a better ending to a saga than tROS. Maybe I shouldn't compare them because after all Marvel had more source content than SW, at least in this vein, but while I liked tROS I just felt like it fell short.

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Endgame was also a mediocre, but enjoyable, movie

I think the MCU never suffered from a lack of vision in the story it was attempting to tell. With Star Wars, I do remember that George Lucas had an vision of 9 movies from way back when (in before someone says that's BS, I did in fact read this somewhere along the way), but once the PT was received with such contempt among many critics and so-called fans, he opted to stop at 6 films. When he sold to Disney, I've read that he had an outline for those other 3 films, but Disney seems to have not used a whole lot of his ideas. The sequel trilogy, to me, seems to have a rather loose connection to the original 6 movies, and so it's ending (and I loved TROS) just was never going to hit home as well as Endgame did.

Just my 2 cents.

That's kinda what I am thinking is that I am trying to compare tROS to other movies, and it falls short, at least to me. I still really liked it, but I shouldn't be comparing it.

Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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I think the MCU never suffered from a lack of vision in the story it was attempting to tell. With Star Wars, I do remember that George Lucas had an vision of 9 movies from way back when (in before someone says that's BS, I did in fact read this somewhere along the way), but once the PT was received with such contempt among many critics and so-called fans, he opted to stop at 6 films. When he sold to Disney, I've read that he had an outline for those other 3 films, but Disney seems to have not used a whole lot of his ideas. The sequel trilogy, to me, seems to have a rather loose connection to the original 6 movies, and so it's ending (and I loved TROS) just was never going to hit home as well as Endgame did.

Just my 2 cents.

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There is nothing worse than paying the price for your lack of vision.

Nobody said aanything about money. Not sure if your mom or the babysitter paid for your second showing, but the fact remains that you paid to see a movie, hated it, then some person exchanged some form of currency for another ticket that gained you access to the movie you didn't like, which you proceeded to watch again, followed up by your attempt to play captain cool guy and let us all know how terrible it is cuz bad-ass you saw it TWICE. And the rest has just been comedy gold.

So, I'm not going back through 25 pages of comments...sorry if this has been posted

When Rey was pushing the lightning back at Palps and she said "and I..."

In my head I finished with "am Ironman"

Good job, JJ, so original

Can anyone point me to the pages discussing the transfer of physical objects through space and time using the force?

redline248 said:

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Can anyone point me to the pages discussing the transfer of physical objects through space and time using the force?

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Yeah, this was one of the (many) things I didn't like. I was ok with force healing because it just seemed like something the force could allow you to do. Teleporting objects, though, broke the rules in a way that didn't make sense to me.

Marvel has 40 years of interconnected plots and backstories for all its characters. The MCU took the absolute coolest one of those interconnected stories and over the course of 20+ movies put it on screen.

Star Wars had the EU which was scattershot and mostly terrible. Disney officially ignored it, and didn't bother to hire good or creative writers for these movies. So JJ made two reboots, which ultimately were kind of boring and did nothing to build the universe, and RJ made one very different film which missed the mark with a lot of fans.

My kids like the ST and that will probably keep Star Wars going, but Disney needs to hand creative leadership to a whole new team and leave them alone for a decade. Or just focus on TV shows and theme park rides for a while.