I really do think that Liz and JMac conversation will go down as one of the dumbest (cause of Liz) conversations in BB lore.


"Why'd you blow up my game, Juuuuuuuhny Mac???"

"Uh, cause you put me up?"

"Wellllll, like that wasn't cool"

It's just the psychology of the house in there....remember 5 weeks ago with Shelli and Clay?

"how could they do that to us before jury?!?!"

Everyone gets in a shell and thinks everyone else are liars and bad people, and they have played the game with integrity the whole time.

Liz has to go. If Vanessa really wants to re-set the game, send Liz up and out and it could be good the rest of the way.

Only way I am coming back is if a twin or Austin gets their ass to the curb

I dont understand how Vanessa cant seem to do the math? She says "I need to team up with Steve and JMac to beat Austin and the twins. So do to that I need to get rid of Meg or James"

Why not just team up the 5 of you to take down the 3 of them? She seems so obsessed wtih breaking up the partnership of James/Meg but ignoring the trip of Austin and the twins?

Seems like she is putting her entire game on making it the final 4 and then winning that one specific HOH.

She's gambling.

Gambling that she can somehow win the game and not have to be the one to fracture Austwins. Had james/meg not won Veto, it may have worked. Now that James won, she has to change her strategy and fracture them now.

The greatest thing is that if you get Liz out...Austin and Julia separate basically.

So then Vanessa/JMac/Steven become the biggest "close" group in the house. Vanessa could easily snag Julia, and at worse it's 4 vs. 3(james/meg/austin)...and Julia/Vanessa/Jmac/Steve is set up to win basically everything other than a "who's the biggest person in the house" athlete type competition.

If Im Vanessa I go to Julia and say the house wants to split up a couple and its either you and Liz or Liz and Austin. Tell Julia that you are going to put up Austin and ask for her support. Tell her it will be better for Liz' game to have him gone. Then JMac, Steve and James can vote him out no matter what the Twins want to do. The next HOH should set up for Steve or JMac to win.

She wants to put up Julia as a pawn so Meg will go home and James has nobody left.

Julia is reluctantly on board. When pushed about Johnny Mac by Austwins, Vanessa said Johnny Mac is not going up. She said she wanted James out but for her game, Meg going home is the next best thing. She said if she puts up anyone other than Julia, there is a good possibility Meg stays (except maybe Steve and she said she won't put Steve up).

Basically, she doesn't trust anyone to do what she wants done and that is send Meg to jury. She knows the Austwins will vote for Johnny Mac to be evicted and that JM, Steve and James would evict Austin or Liz so her only viable option is Julia.

I actually like this move. There is risk with any move this late in the game but she is minimizing the blood by splitting up James and Meg. Basically, she is cutting James nuts off...he is pretty much done. Even if he goes after her (which he will) he doesn't necessarily have the votes. He will have to put up Julia against her and hope the noms stay the same after PoV. In the meantime, she is still in tight with the Austwins because she is not blindsiding them with putting up Julia. They all talked about it and are now on board. She also builds trust with JM and Steve by keeping them off the block.

Knowing how she has worked the entire house this week, except James, this is a pretty solid play. No reason to piss off the Austwins this week and still accomplish something by making James a solo act now. She knew she was his target anyway so nothing will change this week. And both Steve and Johhny Mac want to target Austin and Liz.

I'm ok with that move, but it's just a waste. Meg is the type of person you take to the end.

Once again, Vanessa is gambling. Making a risky move to try and somehow keep her relationship with the Austwins in good standing...but it could bite her as soon as next week if things fell apart.

James and Meg are little to no threat as a couple. Only James can win comps and Meg won't be able to defend him or win a veto for him. Stupid.

I think Julia would end up going home if she is put up as a pawn. I think Steve and JMac would seize an opportunity to break the twins up.

While I agree that she is someone you take to the end, she cuts the legs out from under her biggest immediate threat. I just hope none of the Austwins win HoH at the double eviction.

The best game move for all remaining HG at DE is to target the Austwins with the primary target being Liz. My personal opinion is that Vanessa may be the best person to take to the end now. I don't believe any of the current Jury members will vote for her nor do I believe James and Meg will vote for her. And everybody else is till a toss up.

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James and Meg are little to no threat as a couple. Only James can win comps and Meg won't be able to defend him or win a veto for him. Stupid.

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The threat is that they have clearly demonstrated they will not only vote together but will also vote with the Austwins (and vice versa). Vanessa is clearly their (James/Meg) target and she knows that the Austwins view her as a threat no matter how good their relationship is. That said, they (Austwins) also want James and Johnny Mac out of the house so she could divert their attention to either one of them if the Austwins win the HoH.

Given that only 4 people (James and Meg make up 50% of the votes) will be voting after this eviction and she can't play for HoH, I think it is a pretty solid play. Especially when you know that she is the main target of the remaining Goblins. If she went after the Austwins this week, she now has 4 people targeting her instead of the remaining one from James and Meg.

As much as I don't want her to win, this may have been her best week playing the game.

Vanessa will get votes. She's played the best game.

It's too early to count votes for people, but the bitterness goes away at the end for most of the HG's. But she needs to be smart about who she goes to the end with....which is why it's vitally important all 3 of the Austwins end up in jury.

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I think Julia would end up going home if she is put up as a pawn. I think Steve and JMac would seize an opportunity to break the twins up.

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It is certainly possible but it still leaves two power couples as far as votes/alliances are concerned so it is not necessarily the smartest move. Julia doesn't win sh*t. At least Meg won a luxury comp.

She (Vanessa) knows she is not winning by going to the final four with the Austwins. She is not with James and Meg so she is doing the next best thing...taking out one of the couples and building trust with Steve and Johnny Mac.

It's a risk but a calculated one. It's not like James..."I'm making big moves and consequences be damned." Vanessa is thinking two or three moves ahead while he is living for the moment. James and The Goblins had some golden opportunities (should have listened to Becky) but were too stupid to realize the gift they had been given at the time. Now it's too late. Damn near everyone called it after James went after Clay and Shelli instead of the Austwins and Vanessa...they will get picked off one by one....and that is exactly what happened.

Could Vanessa be waiting until one of Meg/James go out to form a Final Four with Johnny Mac, Steve and Meg/James to go after the Austwins? All this is dependent on if the Austwins DON'T win the HOH next week.

Seems like a pretty decent plan to me.

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Vanessa will get votes. She's played the best game.

It's too early to count votes for people, but the bitterness goes away at the end for most of the HG's. But she needs to be smart about who she goes to the end with....which is why it's vitally important all 3 of the Austwins end up in jury.

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You are probably right and I agree, she has played the best game.

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Could Vanessa be waiting until one of Meg/James go out to form a Final Four with Johnny Mac, Steve and Meg/James to go after the Austwins? All this is dependent on if the Austwins DON'T win the HOH next week.

Seems like a pretty decent plan to me.

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If Meg was out, and James/Vanessa/Johnnie was an alliance, they would be tough to beat in comps.

Anything that breaks up Austwins, I am happy with.

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Could Vanessa be waiting until one of Meg/James go out to form a Final Four with Johnny Mac, Steve and Meg/James to go after the Austwins? All this is dependent on if the Austwins DON'T win the HOH next week.

Seems like a pretty decent plan to me.

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If Meg was out, and James/Vanessa/Johnnie was an alliance, they would be tough to beat in comps.

Anything that breaks up Austwins, I am happy with.

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Yep, and I think Steve, as a superfan, probably knows that the Austwins need to be broken up ASAP, otherwise, they will have the numbers to get to final 3.

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Could Vanessa be waiting until one of Meg/James go out to form a Final Four with Johnny Mac, Steve and Meg/James to go after the Austwins? All this is dependent on if the Austwins DON'T win the HOH next week.

Seems like a pretty decent plan to me.

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The Double Eviction is key this week. If Steve/Johnny Mac win HoH, one of the Austwins is going home leaving Van, JM and Steve in great shape. If the Austwins or James win HoH, one of Vanessa, Steve and Johnny Mac is going home.

Maybe James will surprise me and show he is a player after all by going after the Austwins. I seriously doubt it, though.

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Yep, and I think Steve, as a superfan, probably knows that the Austwins need to be broken up ASAP, otherwise, they will have the numbers to get to final 3.

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Steve has already said to the cameras when he was alone that Austin and Liz are his targets. JM has already told Steve and Vanessa that Austin and Liz are his targets. Vanessa did not put Steve or JM on the block despite the campaigning/begging the Austwins did this week. She has also not spilled the beans about JM's or Steve's targets to the Austwins like she has every other week in the past.

This could be a solid alliance that gets them all to the final three.

James is dumb, but he's not THAT dumb. I hope.

Haven't watched or checked feed sites.

Is there any mention of possible double eviction by the HG?

Putting a double now if they don't have any hint at it, will cause some drama and could be interesting. If they know about it, nothing will matter.

Please correct me if I am wrong, I have bound to be missing something...

But if she puts Julia up as a "pawn"... cant the other side of the house really flip this thing?

Votes to keep meg:
James
John
Steve

Votes to evict meg
Austin
Liz...

It seems possible... and there is a lot of time for them to consider this.. What am I missing??

not really missing anything, other than it doesn't make major sense for John/Steve to vote against Vanessa's wishes.

Look at it from john/steve. They are now in a 3 person alliance with Vanessa, who also has some sort of protection for one week at more with the austwins before people just simply have to nominate each other...

Therefore, if I'm John(flip steve and it's the same thing), I see a 3 person alliance, a 2 person alliance, and my 3 person alliance.

If I vote out Meg, then the 2 person alliance crumbles. If i vote out Julia, then it's my 3 person alliance versus two extremely unified and close-knit 2 person alliances. That is risky.

The best move is put liz up and send her out, because that doesn't take a 3 person down to a 2 person...it just destroys a 3 person alliance and leaves 2 people scrambling. However...since Vanessa wont do that, Meg is probably the next best option to try and carve out strength in numbers in the house.

I can understand why they wont flip the house, but if they were able to get Vanessa on board (she could play it off as if she didn't know).. they would have the numbers big time.

And if they wanted to do it without Vanessa's consent.. a Johnny, Steve, James, Meg (useless, but a vote) alliance VS. Austin, Liz and Vanessa would actually give them a shot to win the thing. On Thursday it would be Them vs Austin/Liz to win HOH...... I like those odds, and it would put them in position to take another shot by putting up Austin/Liz and reducing that tight knit alliance.

Yeah I can see that. But if I'm Jmac or Steve I just don't think it's the right time. I'd rather control what i can control, and in their case, James is a wildcard who has proven in the past he can't be controlled(made a deal with shelli and less than 24 hours later broke it in its entirety).

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Yeah I can see that. But if I'm Jmac or Steve I just don't think it's the right time. I'd rather control what i can control, and in their case, James is a wildcard who has proven in the past he can't be controlled(made a deal with shelli and less than 24 hours later broke it in its entirety).

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If you are Johnny Mac or Steve you are literally running out of time and evictions. Theres only 3 more weeks until the finale.

Agree with Bunk. If Liz was up, then all bets are off and send her home but like Bunk said, Vanessa is not going to put Liz up.

Julia is not a threat and as soon as the rest of the house can get Liz out, Austin and Julia will not be tied together.

Here is the real wildcard if Julia is put up...Austin will need to make a move in the next couple of weeks. He can't go to the final three or four with the twins and expect to win. Would Austin make a move to save Meg and align with James/Meg and just try and smooth it over with Liz afterwards? I doubt it but the longer the twins stay in the game, the less likely Austin will win.

If he tries something like that, he will have to wait until Thursday.

It's official, Julia has been nominated as the replacement for James.

haha me too.

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Yeah I can see that. But if I'm Jmac or Steve I just don't think it's the right time. I'd rather control what i can control, and in their case, James is a wildcard who has proven in the past he can't be controlled(made a deal with shelli and less than 24 hours later broke it in its entirety).

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If you are Johnny Mac or Steve you are literally running out of time and evictions. Theres only 3 more weeks until the finale.

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yeah but it's not up to them. It's up to vanessa and right now she's their strongest ally. can't just give that up to try and make a move that doesn't necessarily help you.

julia going home is ok, but liz is the key to the cog. If she's not up there, then break up the 2nd closest "duo" in the house in meg and james.

glad james is staying. i've enjoyed his banter as boring season wore on.

Completely agree on running out of time. It's just tough for JMac and Steve right now because they don't have a strong grouping that has been together for weeks.

after the DE, there will be 6 left in the house. just get to 6 and they may have a chance. they obviously don't know a DE is coming up, so in their mind they are just thinking purely based off numbers...james would naturally float to them sine the Austwins are so aligned that he'd be the low man on totem pole over there. I think James will know that too when meg leaves.

If julia goes home and austin/liz won HOH next, then jmac is a real target for austin/liz, and possibly james/meg. If meg goes home, james wont target jmac because vanessa just sent meg home, and the austwins are still the power group.

Since Vanessa went with julia, even though it's enticing for JMac to think to get julia out, it's slightly safer for him to eliminate meg. And let's be real, steve isn't voting out julia against vanessa's wishes no mater what, so it's moot.

This is turning out to be a great week for the double eviction. If you're going to try to shake things up and capitalize on chaos, you do it when the house doesn't have time to discuss who did what.

James will not vote for Meg. Liz will not vote for Julia. This means you need 2 of the remaining 3 (Austin, Johnny Mac, Steve).

Steve/JMac may see the double eviction as an opportunity to "help" Vanessa out and break up the alliance of 3. Austin might try to throw shade on JMac by voting for Julia. It all depends on if any of them are willing to gamble while on the sofa after hearing the double eviction news.

OR, everyone could just shell up, and play conservatively, and pray that your alliance wins. Numbers-wise (which this house is terri-bad at seeing), it'd be Austin/Liz/Julia (putting up JMac/James) v. Steve/Jmac (putting up the austwins) v. James (Vanessa and ?, but probably a twin).

What would be amazing to see would be Julia go home by a 4-1 vote -- as that chaos would be crazy, and lead to a few interesting days as they try to scamble to put the pieces back together. Sadly, I don't think Steve/JMac will do this as it might cross Van, and would be too early in their alliance to make such moves.