Some think that if they directly ask her, then the jig is up, so most just skirt around the issue.
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Last: 8 yr ago by TJJackson
Vanessa told Jeff he'll be the replacement nom. He is talking with Jackie about if he can get the votes against James.
Before the blowup between Vanessa and Jeff, the plan was to put Jeff up but still evict James. After the blowup that seems to have put the focus on Jeff.
Was it really to evict James? I heard them talking about it the other night and Vanessa seemed pretty dead set on Jeff being the target and how Austin and others should handle the "set up" to give vanessa a reason to nominate him. She coached up Austin how he should "confront" him and everything
It started as evict Jeff, changed to evict James, and is back to focussing on Jeff. I think the change had to do with James coming clean about his hoh and getting rid of Jace.
Watching the feeds today, this has been a huge mind game with Vanessa. She definitely intended to evict Jeff all along, but she needed a reason to do it. This whole freak out was what she was waiting for, because if not.. it's a huge over-reaction. Vanessa is either super emotional, or a great player.
She's a great player because she is a poker player.
She was talking that up last night (needing something to set it off)
She knows what she's doing
She was talking that up last night (needing something to set it off)
She knows what she's doing
Really wish they would stop giving Audrey time on the CBS episodes. She sounds like and idiot. It is smart for folks to keep her a few more weeks but stop putting her on TV.
The plan was always to get Jeff. After her and Austin won, she basically admitted James would probably be the better strategic move, but she did not like Jeff. A lot of the girls (including my wife) seem to think he gives the creep vibe.
Vanessa did want to have a reason for back dooring Jeff and Jeff was dumb enough to give her one. A lot of Vanessa's conversation with other HGs about why she is BDing Jeff is theater.
Vanessa did want to have a reason for back dooring Jeff and Jeff was dumb enough to give her one. A lot of Vanessa's conversation with other HGs about why she is BDing Jeff is theater.
You're correct. After further reading they set him up, the planning behind it was discussed ~10:30 Saturday night. This link has a good write up on it:
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Audrey is not playing a perfect game, but she is very smart and had a great memory. Her game will only fail vs. those who refuse to talk meaningful game with her when they are HOH, which is one reason why Audrey throws Jason's name around. She knows his BS meter is pointed directly at her.
Audrey is lying saying she wasn't the other Da vote, to Shelli, Clay, and Austin. Hard to tell, but I think Audrey totally has Shelli in her camp.
She almost always sticks with her lies. That way others can't decide if she is just plain lying, wrong but actually believing what she says, or telling the truth.
Audrey is now wearing Clay's A&M shirt.
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Audrey is now wearing Clay's A&M shirt.
Uh oh. Too obvious now. She is setting him up!
Production kept telling Clay/James/Jeff to "Stop That" when they lifted to pool table to fix the slant.
Stop that.
Stop that.
Stop that.
James got under it trying to keep pounding their wedge in anyway.
"Clay, James, we said stop that!"
Stop that.
Stop that.
Stop that.
James got under it trying to keep pounding their wedge in anyway.
"Clay, James, we said stop that!"
Last night, Shelli wore the shirt:
A few hours ago, Audrey started to (she had intended to dress up with Clay's clothes including cowboy hat and visit the DR):
A few hours ago, Audrey started to (she had intended to dress up with Clay's clothes including cowboy hat and visit the DR):
Clay is spending a lot of time talking up Jeff right now. Which way do he and Shelli end up voting? Do they stick with Vanessa and Austin's plan to get out Jeff? Or are they closer to Jeff?
Jeff is toast. He might figure out Shelli and Clay worked against him, but even if he exposed that, more people will still want James in the house.
Jeff was talking to Becky this morning and basically acknowledged he's out. Says he'll give Jackie a bunch of info before he goes. He is sure about the twins and even claims he can now tell the difference. Said he should have take an approach more like Becky and kept his mouth shut.
Also apparently Becky's last boyfriend was 51 years old, same age as her dad.
Also apparently Becky's last boyfriend was 51 years old, same age as her dad.
quote:Still hard to believe she's a transgender. She just has such small, feminine features. Must have been LOTS of surgeries.
Ehhh. When she's not wearing make up its much more apparent. But that's pretty rare.
quote:Its funny that Becky had zero plastic surgery to look as good as she doesquote:Still hard to believe she's a transgender. She just has such small, feminine features. Must have been LOTS of surgeries.
quote:quote:Its funny that Becky had zero plastic surgery to look as good as she doesquote:Still hard to believe she's a transgender. She just has such small, feminine features. Must have been LOTS of surgeries.
Well, she had some...
quote:Well, if you take extreme hormone therapy while still in puberty, then you can pull that off. Most likely, when she was still male, if she would have done nothing, she would have probably been a very "effeminate" man (no broad shoulders, not a lot of hair, middle-range voice, no noticeable Adam's Apple, etc.) but since she most likely took extreme hormone therapy, and at least a little plastic surgery (jaw line looks done, obviously breast augmentation and genital inversion surgery, and probably nose job). That, along with long hair, makeup, breasts, and female clothing automatically make your brain think "female".quote:Still hard to believe she's a transgender. She just has such small, feminine features. Must have been LOTS of surgeries.
She's definitely one of the "better" male-to-female transgender persons I've see. FTFY-protected.
EDIT: That's also a very flattering picture of her. There have been scenes with her in the diary room where she looks a lot more "male".
I don't think she has had any facial surgery. I think there are a lot of guys that if they grew long hair, styled it, and wore make up, would look pretty girly.
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She had her nose done because its a bad nose job
quote:She's had a nose job at the very least.
I don't think she has had any facial surgery. I think there are a lot of guys that if they grew long hair, styled it, and wore make up, would look pretty girly.
Yeah she definitely had some work done on her face.
Do men and women have different noses? I didn't think that was a hormone-related thing like jawline, brow, etc.
Vanessa talking with Johnny, trying to see how she stands in the house and if Jackie will come after her.
Vanessa trying to convince Johnny he should throw the HoH cause it'll make him less a target.
Vanessa trying to convince Johnny he should throw the HoH cause it'll make him less a target.
Jeff talked to Liz and they were under the covers. Austin is getting all pissy about it. Liz has basically friendzoned Austin but not told him and is somewhat using him. Liz was somewhat flirting with Jeff but is now acting like she had no chance but to talk with him.
James is mad Jeff is actually campaigning about it.
Effing live feeds keep jumping cause there are 5 different game conversations going on.
James is mad Jeff is actually campaigning about it.
Effing live feeds keep jumping cause there are 5 different game conversations going on.
Yeah, I kinda feel bad for Jeff at this moment. He wasn't doing anything wrong and Austin/Liz turned it to make him look horrible (in the house's eyes)
Liz definitely seems to be somewhat playing Austin.
I watched her in bed with Jeff and she came off as somewhat flirty. And Austin is pretty clear headed with most parts of the game, but you can see his emotions get riled up on anything Liz related.
That Liz is a twin is now the worst secret in the house and basically everyone knows at this point but she keep denying it. The irony is there aren't many outside of Jason/James/Meg that might consider putting her, which is silly because that is an easy "2 for 1" deal at this point.
Right now, Vanessa is positioned probably the best in the game. It was funny watching her quiz Austin in preparation for the next HoH.
Audrey is a real wild card, but she also seems to have somewhat wiggled her way back into the game. Steve/John/Becky are just sorta there, but all three do seem to be trying to get in the game. If they were smart, they would recognize they should align with one another.
I watched her in bed with Jeff and she came off as somewhat flirty. And Austin is pretty clear headed with most parts of the game, but you can see his emotions get riled up on anything Liz related.
That Liz is a twin is now the worst secret in the house and basically everyone knows at this point but she keep denying it. The irony is there aren't many outside of Jason/James/Meg that might consider putting her, which is silly because that is an easy "2 for 1" deal at this point.
Right now, Vanessa is positioned probably the best in the game. It was funny watching her quiz Austin in preparation for the next HoH.
Audrey is a real wild card, but she also seems to have somewhat wiggled her way back into the game. Steve/John/Becky are just sorta there, but all three do seem to be trying to get in the game. If they were smart, they would recognize they should align with one another.
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