All waisted words. Nothing will happen or be reviewed till the end of the season. Agree this type conversation hurts recruiting as the season progresses.
Time to Fire Earley
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cocacolaaggie68 said:
All waisted words. Nothing will happen or be reviewed till the end of the season. Agree this type conversation hurts recruiting as the season progresses.
lol here we go
Recruits don't need to read TexAgs to know that Earley could be fired if this team doesn't make the postseason. That has been widely reported everywhere.
texink said:AgRyan04 said:Aston94 said:Wabs said:Aston94 said:
Calling for the firing of a coach after going 2-4 against two top 10 teams seems a bit premature....
In a vacuum, sure. But no one calling for his firing is doing so based on this season alone.
Fair enough, calling for the firing of a coach after having a very disappointing first season and, then after giving him another year to prove himself, going 2-4 against two top 10 teams so far this season, seems a bit premature....
If you are giving him another year then you have to give him another year. 2-4 the first two weeks of SEC play against top 10 teams shouldn't get you "fired now".
Here is the rub on Earley....he shouldn't have been hired in the first place. He was hired not on coaching merit, but solely because he provided the ability to keep the roster intact. He wasn't even on his own AD's radar to interview until the players campaigned for him.
It was an underwelming hire at the time but the skeptics hope was that maybe a roster THAT talented would overcome the learning curve. If the experiment failed, no problem, just cut bait and move on from. Given the situation and circumstances at the time of the hiring, the potential was worth the risk. The issue many have is thay Trev didn't cut bait after the failed experiment and are just dragging this out and delaying the inevitable.
Yeah, and the reason it's going to continue to drag on, as many have pointed out, is that Trev guaranteed the entire contract! I don't blame Trev for hiring Earley, he was a reasonable option, but that contract was a colossal f*** up for an athletic department now built on penny pinching on every sport but football.
He wasn't signing it unless it was fully guaranteed. At the time, he had all of the leverage because the players were presumed to be leaving unless he was hired. The prudent call would have been to let them all walk and hire the best coach. But we flinched first in the game of chicken.
cocacolaaggie68 said:
All waisted words. Nothing will happen or be reviewed till the end of the season. Agree this type conversation hurts recruiting as the season progresses.
You are correct about it hurting recruiting. But it's going to happen, everywhere, not just here, when you put a product on the field like we have done for the past 14 months. And that product does infinitely more harm to recruiting than any words.
Texas_Ag11 said:Aston94 said:Texas_Ag11 said:Aston94 said:HoustonAg2106 said:twk said:Quote:
Okay but it's not just me with this opinion and you are intentionally misrepresenting the point of those wanting him gone by saying you shouldn't do that just because he is 2-4 and ignoring all of the relevant context that goes with that.
I would have made the change last year, but we didn't, so what you and I thought last year doesn't matter. When you start agitating to fire him now, if your only reason is you wanted him fired last year, that's not a serious argument.
So, whether you feel that way or not, you are, in fact, arguing to fire him as justified by a 2-4 start to the conference season. He'll be judged on the results most likely at the end of the season, not by the results after two series. The review will certainly consider what happened last year, but if that's the sum of your argument, then you are arguing with the past, not the facts on the ground.
I guess I should state that I don't think he should be fired literally right now, I'm just saying that I have enough evidence to state he is not the guy that we need and when the time is right this season I want him gone. I've stated on other threads though it probably won't happen mid season unless the record gets so bad that we already know we are missing the post season for sure so probably early or mid May.
If I said somewhere that I want him fired right this instant then I misspoke, but I don't recall saying that.
He will be evaluated at the end of the season. Last year will be considered, but it was also his first season as a manager, got a very late start, and had a lot of injuries to overcome. That will all be factored in as well.
He arguably had the second most talented roster in the history of A&M (only bettered by the year before), so those things should not be factored in at all, IMO. Those are excuses for a terrible hire. He was dealt pocket aces with two more on the flop. Only incompetence loses that hand. Earley was the equivalent of Larry Coker at Miami back in the day. Only Coker actually won the title with that crazy talented roster before showing he wasn't really all that good in later years. Earley took that Miami team and went 6-6.
Cool, you are wrong, but cool. We get it, you don't like him as a coach and didn't like the hire. I wish we would have been able to get someone with more experience, but we were hiring late. We did have a talented roster last year, too bad many of the big names with talent were injured for most of the season (Grahovic, Sorrell, Sdao). I am not making excuses for him, but a competent AD factors all that in, which is probably why he was given a year 2 in the first place.
It's clear his boss saw something in him and wanted to give him a second year. It's clear his boss factored in the items I raised which you think are "excuses". Like I said, if he shows he can develop and grow then he will keep his job. If he doesn't then he won't. Calling for his firing after 2 weekends of a 10 weekend SEC schedule is ridiculous, it screams of someone who was just waiting for a reason to scream "Fire Earley" at the first opportunity. I don't think the team, or Alberts, or the fans are ready to give up on this season, but apparently you are.
What part is wrong? The most talented roster part or the not factoring in the excuses part?
I never called for him to be fired 2 weekends in. I didn't love the hire at the time, but understood it given the time frame and the swing and miss on UF and UT coaches. My biggest issue with Earley was that he didn't ask for the job prior to bailing for tu (IMO bc he knew he wasn't qualified). I said it at the time and last year did nothing to prove that wrong.
That said, Trev was also placed over a barrel with the players. All that said, simply stating that a coaching evaluation can not be done this early in the season is misguided. Again, not a decision to fire, but an evaluation. That can and should be done weekly. To date, what has Earley done that leads you to believe that he belongs in the head coaches seat? What demonstrable evidence supports your view? Or do you need till the end of the year to answer that?
BTW, he was never going to get fired last year bc of the guaranteed 4 year deal in a sport that runs a deficit every year. It didn't matter if Alberts gave him credit for injuries or anything else, his hands were tied (in this case he tied his own) and he couldn't for a variety of reasons (pride from the hire, attempting to save even more face from the loss of Schloss and the major financial hickey for eating 3 years + the new coach). Trev doesn't seem the type to excuse performance based on injuries. Injuries didn't cause us to be swept by one of the most historically awful baseball teams in history...
It was the most talented roster....but the talent on that roster was injured most of the season. So it's hard to use that as a point of argument. Plenty of other decisions by coaching in the season are there to criticize without using the flawed "most talented roster" argument.
Really not a flawed argument. It's a fact and we were losing before we lost all these guys to injuries anyway. Fact is Mike inherited a loaded roster and wet the bed. Yes his tactics were flawed (still are) and a variety of other factors but that doesn't change the fact we were DOA last year before we used a convenient mulligan excuse of injuries to excuse our inaction. (Note, I'm on record of stating he wasn't going to be fired last season no matter what based on the hefty price we were going to pay for that).
It's pronounced thermometer
cevans_40 said:cocacolaaggie68 said:
All waisted words. Nothing will happen or be reviewed till the end of the season. Agree this type conversation hurts recruiting as the season progresses.
You are correct about it hurting recruiting. But it's going to happen, everywhere, not just here, when you put a product on the field like we have done for the past 14 months. And that product does infinitely more harm to recruiting than any words.
In what way is our recruiting hurting? Whether you want Earley gone or not our recruiting has not remotely been hurting. Have you looked at the kids who have committed and/or signed?
Texas_Ag11 said:
Really not a flawed argument. It's a fact and we were losing before we lost all these guys to injuries anyway. Fact is Mike inherited a loaded roster and wet the bed. Yes his tactics were flawed (still are) and a variety of other factors but that doesn't change the fact we were DOA last year before we used a convenient mulligan excuse of injuries to excuse our inaction. (Note, I'm on record of stating he wasn't going to be fired last season no matter what based on the hefty price we were going to pay for that).
That is factually incorrect. Sorrell was injured before the season started and Grahovac got hurt opening weekend- might have even been the first game, IIRC. Sdao was gone from TJ and Stewart threw like 4 innings before getting hurt. And while he hasn't been as big of a contributor as expected on the bump Cunningham was hurt last year too.
TarponChaser said:Texas_Ag11 said:
Really not a flawed argument. It's a fact and we were losing before we lost all these guys to injuries anyway. Fact is Mike inherited a loaded roster and wet the bed. Yes his tactics were flawed (still are) and a variety of other factors but that doesn't change the fact we were DOA last year before we used a convenient mulligan excuse of injuries to excuse our inaction. (Note, I'm on record of stating he wasn't going to be fired last season no matter what based on the hefty price we were going to pay for that).
That is factually incorrect. Sorrell was injured before the season started and Grahovac got hurt opening weekend- might have even been the first game, IIRC. Sdao was gone from TJ and Stewart threw like 4 innings before getting hurt. And while he hasn't been as big of a contributor as expected on the bump Cunningham was hurt last year too.
The team was ranked #1 preseason with the knowledge that Sdao was missing the entire season.
Caden Sorrell did start the season injured, but they were also 14-12 with him in the lineup after he returned (and he played very well too).
Yes losing Gavin opening weekend hurts, but that lineup was still plenty talented enough at least make a regional.
But their parents do
And so does current player parents
And so does current player parents
Injuries to the 2025 team are a convenient excuse. The Texas A&M team in 2025 is the only program in NCAA history to start the year ranked preseason #1 and miss the postseason. Literally a one of one. Add to that I could not find a single school in history to have 8 players drafted in a season where the school missed the playoffs. Another one of one. (Note that was a Grok search so could be wrong).
Yes the injury bug hit the team, but they were historically awful considering the talent assembled. Do any of you guys pushing the injury excuse really think we miss the playoffs last year with Schloss as head coach?
Yes the injury bug hit the team, but they were historically awful considering the talent assembled. Do any of you guys pushing the injury excuse really think we miss the playoffs last year with Schloss as head coach?
It's pronounced thermometer
Texas_Ag11 said:
Injuries to the 2025 team are a convenient excuse. The Texas A&M team in 2025 is the only program in NCAA history to start the year ranked preseason #1 and miss the postseason. Literally a one of one. Add to that I could not find a single school in history to have 8 players drafted in a season where the school missed the playoffs. Another one of one. (Note that was a Grok search so could be wrong).
Yes the injury bug hit the team, but they were historically awful considering the talent assembled. Do any of you guys pushing the injury excuse really think we miss the playoffs last year with Schloss as head coach?
They might have snuck into the playoffs but, no, I do not believe the team last year would have fared much better under Schloss. When your 2 biggest bats are injured and out for most of the season, the rest of the lineup very unproven, and the one legit guy left pressing to carry the team the offense is going to struggle. And that struggle bleeds into the pitching staff who can't pitch loose because they feel they have to be absolutely perfect which always leads to mistakes.
You really don't think a super experienced coach that took us within one game of winning it all and a coach with zero experience would not have changed how things occurred last year? Really?
Gig ‘Em Baby!
John Farrell (Red Sox): This is perhaps the most extreme example. In 2013, Farrell led the Red Sox to a World Series title. The very next year, the team finished 7191, landing in the cellar of the AL East.
Jim Leyland (Marlins): While the Marlins came in 2nd in the regular season in 1997, they won the World Series as a Wild Card. Because the owner famously dismantled the team (the "fire sale") immediately after, they plummeted to 108 losses and last place in 1998.
College Baseball
In the college ranks, this often happens due to the "graduation drain" or a heavy reliance on a single superstar pitching staff that turns pro.
Pat Casey (Oregon State): While Casey is a legendary coach, he saw a significant swing in the late 2000s. After winning back-to-back National Championships in 2006 and 2007 (coming in 1st), the 2008 team struggled significantly in a tough Pac-10, though they narrowly avoided the absolute last spot.
Chris Lemonis (Mississippi State): More recently, Lemonis led the Bulldogs to their first-ever National Championship in 2021 (1st Place). Just one year later in 2022, the team finished last in the SEC West and failed to make the SEC tournament entirelythe first time a defending champion had ever fallen that far so quickly.
Jim Leyland (Marlins): While the Marlins came in 2nd in the regular season in 1997, they won the World Series as a Wild Card. Because the owner famously dismantled the team (the "fire sale") immediately after, they plummeted to 108 losses and last place in 1998.
College Baseball
In the college ranks, this often happens due to the "graduation drain" or a heavy reliance on a single superstar pitching staff that turns pro.
Pat Casey (Oregon State): While Casey is a legendary coach, he saw a significant swing in the late 2000s. After winning back-to-back National Championships in 2006 and 2007 (coming in 1st), the 2008 team struggled significantly in a tough Pac-10, though they narrowly avoided the absolute last spot.
Chris Lemonis (Mississippi State): More recently, Lemonis led the Bulldogs to their first-ever National Championship in 2021 (1st Place). Just one year later in 2022, the team finished last in the SEC West and failed to make the SEC tournament entirelythe first time a defending champion had ever fallen that far so quickly.
LB12Diamond said:
You really don't think a super experienced coach that took us within one game of winning it all and a coach with zero experience would not have changed how things occurred last year? Really?
I think last year would still have been a disappointment and we may have made a regional but we'd have gotten bounced in short order.
Take a look at LSU this year- super talented roster, super experienced coach, and won it all last year. Started the season #2 and are now unranked. They can still right the ship but are also 2-4 in SEC play but only played 1 ranked SEC team vs. us playing two top-10 teams.
Hell, look at Schloss at TCU in 2017- preseason #3 on the heels of 4 consecutive trips to Omaha and they failed to make the post-season. Then in 2019 they get bounced in the Arkansas regional.
None of this means I think Earley has earned any kind of benefit of the doubt and is definitely on the hot seat. But I also understand baseball enough to cut some slack for last year while keeping him on a short leash.
2-4 vs. two top-10 teams doesn't remotely mean the sky is falling. Based on what I've seen this team has a ton of talent and can mash with the best of them. Pitching is a concern but still solid.
I'll reiterate what I've said before, I think this team hosts a regional but isn't a national seed. Most likely is we get bounced in the Supers. If he fails to make the post-season again then you can pull the rip-cord on his tenure.
2-4 vs. two top-10 teams doesn't remotely mean the sky is falling. Based on what I've seen this team has a ton of talent and can mash with the best of them. Pitching is a concern but still solid.
I'll reiterate what I've said before, I think this team hosts a regional but isn't a national seed. Most likely is we get bounced in the Supers. If he fails to make the post-season again then you can pull the rip-cord on his tenure.
TarponChaser said:LB12Diamond said:
You really don't think a super experienced coach that took us within one game of winning it all and a coach with zero experience would not have changed how things occurred last year? Really?
I think last year would still have been a disappointment and we may have made a regional but we'd have gotten bounced in short order.
Take a look at LSU this year- super talented roster, super experienced coach, and won it all last year. Started the season #2 and are now unranked. They can still right the ship but are also 2-4 in SEC play but only played 1 ranked SEC team vs. us playing two top-10 teams.
Hell, look at Schloss at TCU in 2017- preseason #3 on the heels of 4 consecutive trips to Omaha and they failed to make the post-season. Then in 2019 they get bounced in the Arkansas regional.
Semantics, but didn't TCU bounce us in Omaha in 2017?
I recall only because it was 3 straight years that TCU ended our season (2015 and 2016 in the supers and 2017 in Omaha?
You are correct, TCU was the team that bounced A&M from CWS in 2017. 2018 was the season TCU missed NCAA play after four straight trips to Omaha.
My bad. Fat-fingered that typo. What with the 7 & 8 being next to each other.
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TarponChaser said:
None of this means I think Earley has earned any kind of benefit of the doubt and is definitely on the hot seat. But I also understand baseball enough to cut some slack for last year while keeping him on a short leash.
2-4 vs. two top-10 teams doesn't remotely mean the sky is falling. Based on what I've seen this team has a ton of talent and can mash with the best of them. Pitching is a concern but still solid.
I'll reiterate what I've said before, I think this team hosts a regional but isn't a national seed. Most likely is we get bounced in the Supers. If he fails to make the post-season again then you can pull the rip-cord on his tenure.
Perfectly fair take. We aren't that far off in our views.
It's pronounced thermometer
We can agree to disagree. The thing that stood out to me is the team played good against teams and bad Vs average teams. That's all on coaching, not having your team focused Vs average/bad teams
Also we had solid starting pitching all year. And cannot even make the post season.
This year is TBD, but last year was a complete failure.
Also we had solid starting pitching all year. And cannot even make the post season.
This year is TBD, but last year was a complete failure.
Gig ‘Em Baby!
TAMU1990 said:
But their parents do
And so does current player parents
Nah. They're tougher than that
LB12Diamond said:
We can agree to disagree. The thing that stood out to me is the team played good against teams and bad Vs average teams. That's all on coaching, not having your team focused Vs average/bad teams
Also we had solid starting pitching all year. And cannot even make the post season.
This year is TBD, but last year was a complete failure.
1,000,000% agree
In a 10 conference series, a team that can beat #1 Tennessee on the road, #2 Arky on the road, and #2 LSU at home should not also get swept four times.
TarponChaser said:
None of this means I think Earley has earned any kind of benefit of the doubt and is definitely on the hot seat. But I also understand baseball enough to cut some slack for last year while keeping him on a short leash.
2-4 vs. two top-10 teams doesn't remotely mean the sky is falling. Based on what I've seen this team has a ton of talent and can mash with the best of them. Pitching is a concern but still solid.
I'll reiterate what I've said before, I think this team hosts a regional but isn't a national seed. Most likely is we get bounced in the Supers. If he fails to make the post-season again then you can pull the rip-cord on his tenure.
Making the post season is nothing, and should not be considered a threshold for retention
If we get bounced from a road regional, time to move on
TarponChaser said:Texas_Ag11 said:
Really not a flawed argument. It's a fact and we were losing before we lost all these guys to injuries anyway. Fact is Mike inherited a loaded roster and wet the bed. Yes his tactics were flawed (still are) and a variety of other factors but that doesn't change the fact we were DOA last year before we used a convenient mulligan excuse of injuries to excuse our inaction. (Note, I'm on record of stating he wasn't going to be fired last season no matter what based on the hefty price we were going to pay for that).
That is factually incorrect. Sorrell was injured before the season started and Grahovac got hurt opening weekend- might have even been the first game, IIRC. Sdao was gone from TJ and Stewart threw like 4 innings before getting hurt. And while he hasn't been as big of a contributor as expected on the bump Cunningham was hurt last year too.
Agree outside of Cunningham. He is not even remotely close to being an SEC type arm. He'd be much better suited at an SHSU/Texas state type program. He'd probably be in the weekend rotation at Texas Lutheran.
Captain Pablo said:TarponChaser said:
None of this means I think Earley has earned any kind of benefit of the doubt and is definitely on the hot seat. But I also understand baseball enough to cut some slack for last year while keeping him on a short leash.
2-4 vs. two top-10 teams doesn't remotely mean the sky is falling. Based on what I've seen this team has a ton of talent and can mash with the best of them. Pitching is a concern but still solid.
I'll reiterate what I've said before, I think this team hosts a regional but isn't a national seed. Most likely is we get bounced in the Supers. If he fails to make the post-season again then you can pull the rip-cord on his tenure.
Making the post season is nothing, and should not be considered a threshold for retention
If we get bounced from a road regional, time to move on
AggieBB said:TarponChaser said:Texas_Ag11 said:
Really not a flawed argument. It's a fact and we were losing before we lost all these guys to injuries anyway. Fact is Mike inherited a loaded roster and wet the bed. Yes his tactics were flawed (still are) and a variety of other factors but that doesn't change the fact we were DOA last year before we used a convenient mulligan excuse of injuries to excuse our inaction. (Note, I'm on record of stating he wasn't going to be fired last season no matter what based on the hefty price we were going to pay for that).
That is factually incorrect. Sorrell was injured before the season started and Grahovac got hurt opening weekend- might have even been the first game, IIRC. Sdao was gone from TJ and Stewart threw like 4 innings before getting hurt. And while he hasn't been as big of a contributor as expected on the bump Cunningham was hurt last year too.
Agree outside of Cunningham. He is not even remotely close to being an SEC type arm. He'd be much better suited at an SHSU/Texas state type program. He'd probably be in the weekend rotation at Texas Lutheran.
Were they saying on the broadcast Tuesday that he was trying to recover from mono last year? There was some background noise so not sure they were talking about him. He was pretty good for Washington his sophomore year. He was their closer and had a sub 3 era. I thought he looked pretty average the other night, the defense saved him a couple of runs.
I believe he had mono over the summer.
AggieBB said:TarponChaser said:Texas_Ag11 said:
Really not a flawed argument. It's a fact and we were losing before we lost all these guys to injuries anyway. Fact is Mike inherited a loaded roster and wet the bed. Yes his tactics were flawed (still are) and a variety of other factors but that doesn't change the fact we were DOA last year before we used a convenient mulligan excuse of injuries to excuse our inaction. (Note, I'm on record of stating he wasn't going to be fired last season no matter what based on the hefty price we were going to pay for that).
That is factually incorrect. Sorrell was injured before the season started and Grahovac got hurt opening weekend- might have even been the first game, IIRC. Sdao was gone from TJ and Stewart threw like 4 innings before getting hurt. And while he hasn't been as big of a contributor as expected on the bump Cunningham was hurt last year too.
Agree outside of Cunningham. He is not even remotely close to being an SEC type arm. He'd be much better suited at an SHSU/Texas state type program. He'd probably be in the weekend rotation at Texas Lutheran.
We're going to disagree on that. Cunningham sits 93-94 and has good stuff that played in the PAC before it imploded. He's not SEC ace material but he's a solid contributor and if he were at a mid-major he'd be their ace.
We definitely saw some promise that was there initially from Tuesday's outing. Bit need to see more and consistency against SEC hitters. We need him to be good coming out of the pen. Only time will tell.TarponChaser said:AggieBB said:TarponChaser said:Texas_Ag11 said:
Really not a flawed argument. It's a fact and we were losing before we lost all these guys to injuries anyway. Fact is Mike inherited a loaded roster and wet the bed. Yes his tactics were flawed (still are) and a variety of other factors but that doesn't change the fact we were DOA last year before we used a convenient mulligan excuse of injuries to excuse our inaction. (Note, I'm on record of stating he wasn't going to be fired last season no matter what based on the hefty price we were going to pay for that).
That is factually incorrect. Sorrell was injured before the season started and Grahovac got hurt opening weekend- might have even been the first game, IIRC. Sdao was gone from TJ and Stewart threw like 4 innings before getting hurt. And while he hasn't been as big of a contributor as expected on the bump Cunningham was hurt last year too.
Agree outside of Cunningham. He is not even remotely close to being an SEC type arm. He'd be much better suited at an SHSU/Texas state type program. He'd probably be in the weekend rotation at Texas Lutheran.
We're going to disagree on that. Cunningham sits 93-94 and has good stuff that played in the PAC before it imploded. He's not SEC ace material but he's a solid contributor and if he were at a mid-major he'd be their ace.
HoustonAg2106 said:TarponChaser said:Texas_Ag11 said:
Really not a flawed argument. It's a fact and we were losing before we lost all these guys to injuries anyway. Fact is Mike inherited a loaded roster and wet the bed. Yes his tactics were flawed (still are) and a variety of other factors but that doesn't change the fact we were DOA last year before we used a convenient mulligan excuse of injuries to excuse our inaction. (Note, I'm on record of stating he wasn't going to be fired last season no matter what based on the hefty price we were going to pay for that).
That is factually incorrect. Sorrell was injured before the season started and Grahovac got hurt opening weekend- might have even been the first game, IIRC. Sdao was gone from TJ and Stewart threw like 4 innings before getting hurt. And while he hasn't been as big of a contributor as expected on the bump Cunningham was hurt last year too.
The team was ranked #1 preseason with the knowledge that Sdao was missing the entire season.
Caden Sorrell did start the season injured, but they were also 14-12 with him in the lineup after he returned (and he played very well too).
Yes losing Gavin opening weekend hurts, but that lineup was still plenty talented enough at least make a regional.
There's where your actual point of view is exposed. You are basing it off the preseason rankings.
Sorrell and Grahovac are two first round draft picks potentially. When you lose 2 of 9 and those 2 are without a doubt the most talented 2 in your lineup it's 100% a flawed argument to say they had the most talented roster.
Sorrell took some time to get in a groove when he came back. Not easy to return after that long out injured in the middle of conference play in the SEC. Again, there's plenty to complain about Earley about (handling of the Mizz series sticks out most in my mind) but you're just completely biased if you want to stand by the argument he had the most talented roster. We should play some poker where everytime you get dealt aces your required to fold them and when I take your money I'll keep reminded you that you were dealt the most talented hands.
Gyles Marrett said:HoustonAg2106 said:TarponChaser said:Texas_Ag11 said:
Really not a flawed argument. It's a fact and we were losing before we lost all these guys to injuries anyway. Fact is Mike inherited a loaded roster and wet the bed. Yes his tactics were flawed (still are) and a variety of other factors but that doesn't change the fact we were DOA last year before we used a convenient mulligan excuse of injuries to excuse our inaction. (Note, I'm on record of stating he wasn't going to be fired last season no matter what based on the hefty price we were going to pay for that).
That is factually incorrect. Sorrell was injured before the season started and Grahovac got hurt opening weekend- might have even been the first game, IIRC. Sdao was gone from TJ and Stewart threw like 4 innings before getting hurt. And while he hasn't been as big of a contributor as expected on the bump Cunningham was hurt last year too.
The team was ranked #1 preseason with the knowledge that Sdao was missing the entire season.
Caden Sorrell did start the season injured, but they were also 14-12 with him in the lineup after he returned (and he played very well too).
Yes losing Gavin opening weekend hurts, but that lineup was still plenty talented enough at least make a regional.
There's where your actual point of view is exposed. You are basing it off the preseason rankings.
Sorrell and Grahovac are two first round draft picks potentially. When you lose 2 of 9 and those 2 are without a doubt the most talented 2 in your lineup it's 100% a flawed argument to say they had the most talented roster.
Sorrell took some time to get in a groove when he came back. Not easy to return after that long out injured in the middle of conference play in the SEC. Again, there's plenty to complain about Earley about (handling of the Mizz series sticks out most in my mind) but you're just completely biased if you want to stand by the argument he had the most talented roster. We should play some poker where everytime you get dealt aces your required to fold them and when I take your money I'll keep reminded you that you were dealt the most talented hands.
Sorrell homered in his first game back.
Expectations were high - from the publications, from the league coaches, from coaches nationally, from our fanbase...for good reason. To supplement the talent we returned, we also brought in high level of talent from the portal.
The talent on the roster was there. This ragtag injured team took series at #1 Tennessee, at #2 Arky, and #2 LSU.
Didn't even travel for a regional.
AgRyan04 said:Gyles Marrett said:HoustonAg2106 said:TarponChaser said:Texas_Ag11 said:
Really not a flawed argument. It's a fact and we were losing before we lost all these guys to injuries anyway. Fact is Mike inherited a loaded roster and wet the bed. Yes his tactics were flawed (still are) and a variety of other factors but that doesn't change the fact we were DOA last year before we used a convenient mulligan excuse of injuries to excuse our inaction. (Note, I'm on record of stating he wasn't going to be fired last season no matter what based on the hefty price we were going to pay for that).
That is factually incorrect. Sorrell was injured before the season started and Grahovac got hurt opening weekend- might have even been the first game, IIRC. Sdao was gone from TJ and Stewart threw like 4 innings before getting hurt. And while he hasn't been as big of a contributor as expected on the bump Cunningham was hurt last year too.
The team was ranked #1 preseason with the knowledge that Sdao was missing the entire season.
Caden Sorrell did start the season injured, but they were also 14-12 with him in the lineup after he returned (and he played very well too).
Yes losing Gavin opening weekend hurts, but that lineup was still plenty talented enough at least make a regional.
There's where your actual point of view is exposed. You are basing it off the preseason rankings.
Sorrell and Grahovac are two first round draft picks potentially. When you lose 2 of 9 and those 2 are without a doubt the most talented 2 in your lineup it's 100% a flawed argument to say they had the most talented roster.
Sorrell took some time to get in a groove when he came back. Not easy to return after that long out injured in the middle of conference play in the SEC. Again, there's plenty to complain about Earley about (handling of the Mizz series sticks out most in my mind) but you're just completely biased if you want to stand by the argument he had the most talented roster. We should play some poker where everytime you get dealt aces your required to fold them and when I take your money I'll keep reminded you that you were dealt the most talented hands.
Sorrell homered in his first game back.
Expectations were high - from the publications, from the league coaches, from coaches nationally, from our fanbase...for good reason. To supplement the talent we returned, we also brought in high level of talent from the portal.
The talent on the roster was there. This ragtag injured team took series at #1 Tennessee, at #2 Arky, and #2 LSU.
Didn't even travel for a regional.
Oh it was there. Sitting on the bench and in the training room lmao. Oblivious.
TarponChaser said:cevans_40 said:cocacolaaggie68 said:
All waisted words. Nothing will happen or be reviewed till the end of the season. Agree this type conversation hurts recruiting as the season progresses.
You are correct about it hurting recruiting. But it's going to happen, everywhere, not just here, when you put a product on the field like we have done for the past 14 months. And that product does infinitely more harm to recruiting than any words.
In what way is our recruiting hurting? Whether you want Earley gone or not our recruiting has not remotely been hurting. Have you looked at the kids who have committed and/or signed?
You may want to talk to some folks in the high school baseball world. The word is out on this coaching staff.
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