Ag1188 said:"310 to Yuma" reference? Except it's "morals" instead of "deserves". Luke Wilson's character about the miners torturing Ben Wade (russell crowe). lolBaseballAggie13 said:
Deserves got nothin' to do with it
Sean98 said:
I think the real question at this point is what our school is willing to invest on baseball. For example if it's $5m a year I'd rather have a (legit) $1.5m coach and $3.5m for NIL than I would a $4m coach and $1m NIL. Obviously I'd rather we invest $10m and do both but early returns seem to show Trev doesn't value baseball.
If that means you have to target quality Sun Belt, CUSA or Big South coaches, so be it. There's a dozen schools in those leagues that would be an upgrade for us today.
is it too much to ask for to have Kevin Schnall on the list?Ball Five said:
Scratch Billy O'Connor. One good season, pretty meh aside from that. Not a fan of Hefner's style. Works well at DBU, doubt it'll recruit well in the SEC. Plus he seems like too much of a "nice guy" and not enough of a firey competitor.
Add Cliff Gowin to the list. Yes, he's an ECU alum, but reports seem to indicate he'd be gettable. ECU has a ceiling, and he's a good coach who could do more with better resources.
With the small note that they're only 2.5 hours from where he currently lives/works.TRM said:
If the Gamecocks think he's attainable for them, he should be attainable for us.
TRM said:
If the Gamecocks think he's attainable for them, he should be attainable for us.
Sean98 said:TRM said:
If the Gamecocks think he's attainable for them, he should be attainable for us.
With the small note that they're only 2.5 hours from where he currently lives/works.
Yes, but A&M and SCar are both upgrades in terms of baseball tiers/conference/NIL, with what I believe A&M having a much better ceiling.FM 949 said:Sean98 said:TRM said:
If the Gamecocks think he's attainable for them, he should be attainable for us.
With the small note that they're only 2.5 hours from where he currently lives/works.
and he where he went to school and played collegiate baseball at.
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Yes, but A&M and SCar are both upgrades in terms of baseball tiers/conference/NIL, with what I believe A&M having a much better ceiling.
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Yes, but A&M and SCar are both upgrades in terms of baseball tiers/conference/NIL, with what I believe A&M having a much better ceiling.
Not sure I'd agree that we've got a "better ceiling" than a school that has won back to back CWS titles, and has what, in my opinion, is the nicest park in the conference.
Aston94 said:
Calling for the firing of a coach after going 2-4 against two top 10 teams seems a bit premature....
Wabs said:Aston94 said:
Calling for the firing of a coach after going 2-4 against two top 10 teams seems a bit premature....
In a vacuum, sure. But no one calling for his firing is doing so based on this season alone.
Aston94 said:Wabs said:Aston94 said:
Calling for the firing of a coach after going 2-4 against two top 10 teams seems a bit premature....
In a vacuum, sure. But no one calling for his firing is doing so based on this season alone.
Fair enough, calling for the firing of a coach after having a very disappointing first season and, then after giving him another year to prove himself, going 2-4 against two top 10 teams so far this season, seems a bit premature....
If you are giving him another year then you have to give him another year. 2-4 the first two weeks of SEC play against top 10 teams shouldn't get you "fired now".
HoustonAg2106 said:Aston94 said:Wabs said:Aston94 said:
Calling for the firing of a coach after going 2-4 against two top 10 teams seems a bit premature....
In a vacuum, sure. But no one calling for his firing is doing so based on this season alone.
Fair enough, calling for the firing of a coach after having a very disappointing first season and, then after giving him another year to prove himself, going 2-4 against two top 10 teams so far this season, seems a bit premature....
If you are giving him another year then you have to give him another year. 2-4 the first two weeks of SEC play against top 10 teams shouldn't get you "fired now".
I didn't give him another year and I don't have to wait just because our spineless AD gave him one. I wanted him gone after last season and there has been nothing this year that makes me feel differently.
Texas_Ag11 said:
Probably deserves a thread of its own, but I am actually curious what the stats show on the "he has proven more with less" criteria for hiring a coach. I actually think (particularly so in baseball), that could actually be a bad thing. Lets take UTSA as an example. the UTSA baseball job has next to zero pressure on it, no media coverage, no alumni to really deal with sans the NIL donors (and their are not many of those). It's more of a pure baseball job. Recruit kids, develop kids and try to beat the big dogs in the state (happens, but still pretty rare). I think a transition to a Power 5 job (and here an SEC job) with loads of pressure, meddling alumni, win now at all costs, media coverage, fan engagements, NIL budget coordination and execution, etc. could swallow up a "more with less" guy. You have to be really careful, IMO, and see things in this person that proves he can do all those things. Bucky was a big risk for all those reasons, but that was basketball at A&M, which admittedly has way less exposure than baseball or football. We also surrounded him with coaches that had been here and other head coaches elsewhere to ease that transition. And I truly believe Bucky was a 1:1 and well worth the risk. Going to hire a "more with less guy" is just not enough of a predictor of success, IMO. I might get bored and actually run the numbers, but this is a very big job (arguably the second biggest on campus) and to be successful, I think we have to make a monster hire (like Schloss most recently).
Aston94 said:HoustonAg2106 said:Aston94 said:Wabs said:Aston94 said:
Calling for the firing of a coach after going 2-4 against two top 10 teams seems a bit premature....
In a vacuum, sure. But no one calling for his firing is doing so based on this season alone.
Fair enough, calling for the firing of a coach after having a very disappointing first season and, then after giving him another year to prove himself, going 2-4 against two top 10 teams so far this season, seems a bit premature....
If you are giving him another year then you have to give him another year. 2-4 the first two weeks of SEC play against top 10 teams shouldn't get you "fired now".
I didn't give him another year and I don't have to wait just because our spineless AD gave him one. I wanted him gone after last season and there has been nothing this year that makes me feel differently.
Yes, you have made your position clear and I am very happy you are not in charge of our athletic department.
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Okay but it's not just me with this opinion and you are intentionally misrepresenting the point of those wanting him gone by saying you shouldn't do that just because he is 2-4 and ignoring all of the relevant context that goes with that.
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Okay but it's not just me with this opinion and you are intentionally misrepresenting the point of those wanting him gone by saying you shouldn't do that just because he is 2-4 and ignoring all of the relevant context that goes with that.
I would have made the change last year, but we didn't, so what you and I thought last year doesn't matter. When you start agitating to fire him now, if your only reason is you wanted him fired last year, that's not a serious argument.
So, whether you feel that way or not, you are, in fact, arguing to fire him as justified by a 2-4 start to the conference season. He'll be judged on the results most likely at the end of the season, not by the results after two series. The review will certainly consider what happened last year, but if that's the sum of your argument, then you are arguing with the past, not the facts on the ground.
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I'm just saying that I have enough evidence to state he is not the guy that we need and when the time is right this season I want him gone.
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I'm just saying that I have enough evidence to state he is not the guy that we need and when the time is right this season I want him gone.
So, if the team turns it around, goes on a run, hosts a regional, and makes it to Omaha, would you still want to fire him? Maybe that's unlikely, but that's why we play the games.
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I'm just saying that I have enough evidence to state he is not the guy that we need and when the time is right this season I want him gone.
So, if the team turns it around, goes on a run, hosts a regional, and makes it to Omaha, would you still want to fire him? Maybe that's unlikely, but that's why we play the games.
I can change my stance with the addition of new information. I think that is obvious. There is certainly nothing right now that points to that happening though.
Also it depends what that looks like. If we sneak in a regional at 13-17 and somehow get lucky with the way things fall and make it to Omaha I still might believe he's not the right guy but would understand not firing him though. Could be like a 2017 run to Omaha where we won a road regional at UH and got to host super because Davidson upset North Carolina. Then got smoked in Omaha 0-2. That was not a championship caliber team at all but they got there because of the draw.
Aston94 said:
Calling for the firing of a coach after going 2-4 against two top 10 teams seems a bit premature....
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I'm just saying that I have enough evidence to state he is not the guy that we need and when the time is right this season I want him gone.
So, if the team turns it around, goes on a run, hosts a regional, and makes it to Omaha, would you still want to fire him? Maybe that's unlikely, but that's why we play the games.
I can change my stance with the addition of new information. I think that is obvious. There is certainly nothing right now that points to that happening though.
Also it depends what that looks like. If we sneak in a regional at 13-17 and somehow get lucky with the way things fall and make it to Omaha I still might believe he's not the right guy but would understand not firing him though. Could be like a 2017 run to Omaha where we won a road regional at UH and got to host super because Davidson upset North Carolina. Then got smoked in Omaha 0-2. That was not a championship caliber team at all but they got there because of the draw.
If we make it to Omaha, we will absolutely not fire Earley even if we do go the 2 and q route. That said, I could see a very tough situation where we start talking extension if he pulls that off.
dixichkn said:
If he's at 4 years 100% guaranteed right now……I wouldn't even THINK about an extension until two straight solid seasons are put together
HoustonAg2106 said:Texas_Ag11 said:HoustonAg2106 said:twk said:Quote:
I'm just saying that I have enough evidence to state he is not the guy that we need and when the time is right this season I want him gone.
So, if the team turns it around, goes on a run, hosts a regional, and makes it to Omaha, would you still want to fire him? Maybe that's unlikely, but that's why we play the games.
I can change my stance with the addition of new information. I think that is obvious. There is certainly nothing right now that points to that happening though.
Also it depends what that looks like. If we sneak in a regional at 13-17 and somehow get lucky with the way things fall and make it to Omaha I still might believe he's not the right guy but would understand not firing him though. Could be like a 2017 run to Omaha where we won a road regional at UH and got to host super because Davidson upset North Carolina. Then got smoked in Omaha 0-2. That was not a championship caliber team at all but they got there because of the draw.
If we make it to Omaha, we will absolutely not fire Earley even if we do go the 2 and q route. That said, I could see a very tough situation where we start talking extension if he pulls that off.
Again it depends what it looks like. If we are 13-17 and one of the last teams in the field and just happen to find an easy path to Omaha like we did in 2017 and then I think an extension would be an awful mistake.
Now if we turn things around and end up 17-13/18-12, hosting a regional and get to Omaha, that is a very different conversation.
One seems more likely than the other right now though.
HoustonAg2106 said:twk said:Quote:
Okay but it's not just me with this opinion and you are intentionally misrepresenting the point of those wanting him gone by saying you shouldn't do that just because he is 2-4 and ignoring all of the relevant context that goes with that.
I would have made the change last year, but we didn't, so what you and I thought last year doesn't matter. When you start agitating to fire him now, if your only reason is you wanted him fired last year, that's not a serious argument.
So, whether you feel that way or not, you are, in fact, arguing to fire him as justified by a 2-4 start to the conference season. He'll be judged on the results most likely at the end of the season, not by the results after two series. The review will certainly consider what happened last year, but if that's the sum of your argument, then you are arguing with the past, not the facts on the ground.
I guess I should state that I don't think he should be fired literally right now, I'm just saying that I have enough evidence to state he is not the guy that we need and when the time is right this season I want him gone. I've stated on other threads though it probably won't happen mid season unless the record gets so bad that we already know we are missing the post season for sure so probably early or mid May.
If I said somewhere that I want him fired right this instant then I misspoke, but I don't recall saying that.
Texas_Ag11 said:dixichkn said:
If he's at 4 years 100% guaranteed right now……I wouldn't even THINK about an extension until two straight solid seasons are put together
I agree with you 100%, but Omaha in year 2 changes everything. We would give him more money if he gets to Omaha this year, particularly after a 2-4 start. Aggies love very few things more than a comeback story.
Aston94 said:HoustonAg2106 said:twk said:Quote:
Okay but it's not just me with this opinion and you are intentionally misrepresenting the point of those wanting him gone by saying you shouldn't do that just because he is 2-4 and ignoring all of the relevant context that goes with that.
I would have made the change last year, but we didn't, so what you and I thought last year doesn't matter. When you start agitating to fire him now, if your only reason is you wanted him fired last year, that's not a serious argument.
So, whether you feel that way or not, you are, in fact, arguing to fire him as justified by a 2-4 start to the conference season. He'll be judged on the results most likely at the end of the season, not by the results after two series. The review will certainly consider what happened last year, but if that's the sum of your argument, then you are arguing with the past, not the facts on the ground.
I guess I should state that I don't think he should be fired literally right now, I'm just saying that I have enough evidence to state he is not the guy that we need and when the time is right this season I want him gone. I've stated on other threads though it probably won't happen mid season unless the record gets so bad that we already know we are missing the post season for sure so probably early or mid May.
If I said somewhere that I want him fired right this instant then I misspoke, but I don't recall saying that.
He will be evaluated at the end of the season. Last year will be considered, but it was also his first season as a manager, got a very late start, and had a lot of injuries to overcome. That will all be factored in as well.
