Time to Fire Earley

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Ball Five said:

What Vaughn did at UMD was impressive. As was doing more with less in his first year at Bama after the previous coach was fired due to going full Pete Rose. In hindsight, should have hired Vaughn (if he was gettable, which I think he was), and paired his old buddy Earley as the hitting coach/recruiter to keep Jace, Gavin, etc. IIRC Kendall said he was shocked we didn't give him a more serious look.


Yup. He was everything we were looking for after Vitello said nah IMO. Young and upcomer with an impressive record of running a ball club to greater heights, extremely respected by admin and players alike, not particularly settled into his current HC job at the time, cheap(er), had fond personal connections to TAMU already…. Absolute no brainer to not ask for serious interviews. I also remember there was a brief mention here or there of his name alone in passing about the potential candidates but literally nothing past that. I am also still baffled by the whole thing myself.

I think the timing of retaining Earley just came too fast for proper due diligence. And none of this is an indictment to Earley and the current season to date. Just observing that at the time, Trev neglected to fully vet the field IMO.

And Vaughn got a sweet no hitter tonight. First one for Bama since the 40s. That's neat.
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Yes sir!
When we hired a Zero experience head coach for this program coming off an almost Natty I really couldn't believe it.
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I hate to ask this but I'm genuinely curious. Given that players are unrestricted free agents every year what happens with the young talent if we aren't competitive this year?
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jja79 said:

I hate to ask this but I'm genuinely curious. Given that players are unrestricted free agents every year what happens with the young talent if we aren't competitive this year?

That question can't be answered at this time. How about we let things play out and see if we make a better higher.
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Reno Hightower
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The fear of losing GG & Sorrell will not matter after this season. The shoe may very well drop.
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Letting the players dictate the hire is always a losing bet. Every single time.

A bunch of us said it at the time and multiple times throughout the season last year. This was all so predictable.

As has been said though, nothing to do but ride it out. I don't see us making a change until the season is over. I hope I'm wrong though.
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TexAgs23 said:

I'd like to see a comparison that shows how many times the shift has worked vs. failed. It's supposedly all about the analytics, but I have a feeling the analytics will say we should stop doing it.

The shift did not hurt us tonight.
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That's why I said if we aren't competitive.
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dtownAg14 said:

Our pitching has been horrible this year. Kelly needs to go also

Until last weekend, except for UCLA game, it had been solid. Maybe not a whole lot of depth but when we got a good start there was enough depth to get through the weekend. While being roughed up a bit early tonight, Sdao kept it close enough with a chance to win. With no spark from the bats, Earley did not waste the better arms in the pen tonight. Pitching wise we are in a better place going foreword this weekend than last weekend after the Friday game.
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Eliminatus said:

Texas_Ag11 said:

Schloss and Del Conte with the kill shot. The minute Vitello said no thanks we were screwed. We did our best at the time, but we can't let that become loyalty that sets us back even further. Need to cut bait (mentally) and start working on who we bring in. Needs to be a huge hire to combat the massive setback.


I'm still not convinced we couldn't have made a damn solid run at Rob Vaughn if we had wanted to. I have a terrible memory but I don't remember even any rumors of taking an actual pass at him. The only blocker would have been Bama itself but given what we throw around money wise in contracts, we could easily beat them running. Coach Vaughn has been on that good/great line since at Bama but I think with our resources and talent pool, he actually could have turned those into something more than what he has done at Bama so far.

Kendall reported we had 2 serious candidates and 1 definitely would have taken it last year (before we ghosted them). I figured that was Vaughn
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jkag89 said:

dtownAg14 said:

Our pitching has been horrible this year. Kelly needs to go also

Until last weekend, except for UCLA game, it had been solid. Maybe not a whole lot of depth but when we got a good start there was enough depth to get through the weekend. While being roughed up a bit early tonight, Sdao kept it close enough with a chance to win. With no spark from the bats, Earley did not waste the better arms in the pen tonight. Pitching wise we are in a better place going foreword this weekend than last weekend after the Friday game.

Who are our better arms? Freshcorn is about it. We clearly expected Freshcorn and Darden to be our big 2 (without JStew) and Darden sucks ass. I guess Lyons is ok.
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I did not miss that part. I said make a hire, meaning we have a new coach clearly bc this season was similar to last season. No reason to worry about player retention when the real focus is getting the right coach.

Focusing on player retention is kind of the reason we're stuck in this mess now.
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Starting to agree with OP. I'm seeing really talented players but the play is very bad.
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Way too much talent on this team to be wasting on this rudderless ship. After last year's futility, I was amazed that Earley pulled this much talent together. It's not likely to happen again after another disappointing season.
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Killzone3abc said:

Eliminatus said:

Texas_Ag11 said:

Schloss and Del Conte with the kill shot. The minute Vitello said no thanks we were screwed. We did our best at the time, but we can't let that become loyalty that sets us back even further. Need to cut bait (mentally) and start working on who we bring in. Needs to be a huge hire to combat the massive setback.


I'm still not convinced we couldn't have made a damn solid run at Rob Vaughn if we had wanted to. I have a terrible memory but I don't remember even any rumors of taking an actual pass at him. The only blocker would have been Bama itself but given what we throw around money wise in contracts, we could easily beat them running. Coach Vaughn has been on that good/great line since at Bama but I think with our resources and talent pool, he actually could have turned those into something more than what he has done at Bama so far.

Kendall reported we had 2 serious candidates and 1 definitely would have taken it last year (before we ghosted them). I figured that was Vaughn


Skip Johnson at OU.
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jkag89 said:

TexAgs23 said:

I'd like to see a comparison that shows how many times the shift has worked vs. failed. It's supposedly all about the analytics, but I have a feeling the analytics will say we should stop doing it.

The shift did not hurt us tonight.


You sure? I seem to remember a few hits (that turned into runs early in the game). Dont even get me started on the OU series.
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Most of the hope for me is gone because I don't feel like Earley has the experience to get guys out of a rut. Not some mechanical swing change, but some kind of quirky baseball thing that just releases the pressure. We had Pringles, we had GOOD with Schloss. This regime just feels like we're going to keep doing the same thing hoping to get a different result because they don't know how to do anything else.

It started with me when we failed to do much of anything in the portal on the mound. It was clear and even talked about by Ryan they really liked what they had coming back.
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jja79 said:

I hate to ask this but I'm genuinely curious. Given that players are unrestricted free agents every year what happens with the young talent if we aren't competitive this year?
Do you really care? We've had an uber talented team for two years now and what are the results?
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Apparently people are poor judges of talent.
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Who do you hire? I'm not saying I'm in the fire Earley camp yet, but who can you realistically snag?


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jkag89 said:

dtownAg14 said:

Our pitching has been horrible this year. Kelly needs to go also

Until last weekend, except for UCLA game, it had been solid. Maybe not a whole lot of depth but when we got a good start there was enough depth to get through the weekend. While being roughed up a bit early tonight, Sdao kept it close enough with a chance to win. With no spark from the bats, Earley did not waste the better arms in the pen tonight. Pitching wise we are in a better place going foreword this weekend than last weekend after the Friday game.

So solid until we played a team with a pulse? Yep, about right.
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Rule#2 said:

jja79 said:

I hate to ask this but I'm genuinely curious. Given that players are unrestricted free agents every year what happens with the young talent if we aren't competitive this year?
Do you really care? We've had an uber talented team for two years now and what are the results?


True. Probably a little easier to justify losing with no talent rather than a ton of talent.

Maybe Vitello will have a rough time in the pros and want to come back to the college game and we can scoop him up. He can be the baseball equivalent of Nick Saban. This is what I will dream about after we fire Earley, lose all our talent, and wander in the desert for a few years.
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Thisguy1 said:

Most of the hope for me is gone because I don't feel like Earley has the experience to get guys out of a rut. Not some mechanical swing change, but some kind of quirky baseball thing that just releases the pressure. We had Pringles, we had GOOD with Schloss. This regime just feels like we're going to keep doing the same thing hoping to get a different result because they don't know how to do anything else.

It started with me when we failed to do much of anything in the portal on the mound. It was clear and even talked about by Ryan they really liked what they had coming back.

Apparently Earley and Humpty Dumpty think we can win sec games with a bunch of bullpen arms, because who needs elite starters?
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Hope he turns it around, but I'm not optimistic. AD made a mistake hiring him then again in retaining him. I hope we have a plan for the next HC already.
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PSA: As a kind reminder, do not take Kendall Rogers seriously when he starts tweeting about A&M firing and/or hiring a new coach. He got my hopes up last May. Not falling for that again.
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He signed a big extension last cycle now iirc. Probably still gettable though, I feel like his buyout didnt go up much. That is if we didn't piss him off.
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I don't think he's the type to bs considering how important credibility amd relationships with coaches is to his buisness.
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AggieBB said:

Thisguy1 said:

Most of the hope for me is gone because I don't feel like Earley has the experience to get guys out of a rut. Not some mechanical swing change, but some kind of quirky baseball thing that just releases the pressure. We had Pringles, we had GOOD with Schloss. This regime just feels like we're going to keep doing the same thing hoping to get a different result because they don't know how to do anything else.

It started with me when we failed to do much of anything in the portal on the mound. It was clear and even talked about by Ryan they really liked what they had coming back.

Apparently Earley and Humpty Dumpty think we can win sec games with a bunch of bullpen arms, because who needs elite starters?

And in the Childress Era folks here wept, wailed, gashed their teeth and rent their Fightin' Texas Aggie Baseball jerseys because RC would "only" woo elite pitching prospects to bolster his image as a pitching guru at the expense of a more complete team.
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TexAgs23 said:

jkag89 said:

TexAgs23 said:

I'd like to see a comparison that shows how many times the shift has worked vs. failed. It's supposedly all about the analytics, but I have a feeling the analytics will say we should stop doing it.

The shift did not hurt us tonight.


You sure? I seem to remember a few hits (that turned into runs early in the game). Dont even get me started on the OU series.

I was at the game, I do not recall a single hit where a Georgia hitter reached base due to putting a ball in play opposite of the shift. If you can point out a couple of "the few" I'll admit to being wrong.
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No, let's make sure the players like the coach. Winning isn't the primary goal.
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The problem with getting Vitello now is the MLB season dates. If he is a disaster in MLB and gets canned during the season, it would be sometime around the All star break/July. If he gets canned after the season, it would be October. No way we'd wait that long to try and hire him.
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Geez
He's not getting fired mid season. If a replacement will be made at the end of the season, the higher ups will be searching for the new coach long before the end of the season.
You know, like the schloss deal…..
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I don't think that there will be a change unless there is a catastrophic collapse. Albers will play it out with both Earley and Taylor. Then start fresh.
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HoustonAg2106 said:

Ball Five said:

3/20 is a bit early but after the fifth SEC series is a good time to get a head start on the coaching search. But unfortunately, based on how we've done things in the past, we're prolly gonna wait until all the good ones are off the board.


Trev hasn't been here long enough to know how he'll handle this. Jimbo was fired mid season but that was the previous AD. Since then we haven't had a coach needing to be fired mid season this badly


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Killzone3abc said:

jkag89 said:

dtownAg14 said:

Our pitching has been horrible this year. Kelly needs to go also

Until last weekend, except for UCLA game, it had been solid. Maybe not a whole lot of depth but when we got a good start there was enough depth to get through the weekend. While being roughed up a bit early tonight, Sdao kept it close enough with a chance to win. With no spark from the bats, Earley did not waste the better arms in the pen tonight. Pitching wise we are in a better place going foreword this weekend than last weekend after the Friday game.

Who are our better arms? Freshcorn is about it. We clearly expected Freshcorn and Darden to be our big 2 (without JStew) and Darden sucks ass. I guess Lyons is ok.

Lyons now that Stewart is gone. I'm not saying we have good or even adequate depth in our pen which is why we need starters to have a little length. Vargas seems good for a few batters at most and Darden once through the lineup. We need somebody to step up to be the bridge guy that can eat innings and keep the game close when a starter falters. I was hoping Cunningham might surprise us and step into that role but after last night, that seems to be nothing but a unlikely dream now.
 
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