AccidentProne said:
I've said it before, this will not be like anything ever seen before. Based off of years of research, this turf is supposed to play exactly like natural grass, if not better.
This is definitely causing heartburn. I really don't think the heat is an issue for night games, even at the peak worst July/August heat. Worst case, there's maybe a few weeks of the season it should be closed at night. And then some of the Thursday/Sunday getaway day games in that hot summer time-frame. But if they've elected to build an underground enclosed box, then they created their own heat and playing surface issue which to me is a flaw from the beginning.Quote:
and if the roof is projected to be closed more times than not?
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The Houston Astros have not played a game with Minute Maid Park's retractable roof open since June 9. They want that to remain the case through Games 3, 4 and 5 of the World Series this weekend against the Dodgers, the last games of the year to be played in the stadium.
If that's true, then it's poor stadium design. One of the very first factors should've been "Can we grow grass in here?"Doug Glatt said:
The 70 feet below is the key part here, they made decision to go plastic as soon as the stadium plans were finalized.
They never wanted grass. There was zero thought put into growing grass because they never were going to try.double aught said:If that's true, then it's poor stadium design. One of the very first factors should've been "Can we grow grass in here?"Doug Glatt said:
The 70 feet below is the key part here, they made decision to go plastic as soon as the stadium plans were finalized.
Old Tom Morris said:
How far underground is the current ballpark playing surface? You walk in at the top of the first level, so maybe 30-40 feet? It's certainly not ground level.
LSCSN said:
when do single game tickets go on sale?
AccidentProne said:
I have to remove myself from this conversation. It's apparent that too many of y'all are ready to make snap judgments and not even willing to consider giving this thing a chance. FYI, they are rolling on this same turf in Arizona this season. It will be a great litmus test to see how it performs, and then make any changes necessary before installing it in Globe Life Field.
I've said it before, this will not be like anything ever seen before. Based off of years of research, this turf is supposed to play exactly like natural grass, if not better.
That's all I'm going to say about that.
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Anything left for the Rangers to do? I think they'll sign 3-4 FA SPs to 1 year deals, where they will have a shot to make the rotation, get traded or get cut. 1 or 2 might even take a minor-league deal with a clause that allows them to be unconditionally released 4-6 weeks into the season, if they request.
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Different entertainment has different venue size and feel. Also, I think teams use access to these additional events to push season tickets.Doorbell said:
I've heard the year round venue stuff, but maybe I don't understand. I realize Texas Live is this entertainment depot that they've come up with, but wouldn't all the concerts and football games and whatever else that came along be held a few hundred yards to the west?
Maybe that's what I don't get. Are AT&T stadium and Globe Life going to competitively bid over hosting these things and the Rangers feel like they have an advantage?
It would be one thing if Globe Life and Texas Live were the only spot within a large radius where events could be held. But, AT&T is casting a shadow over them and then there's all the other concert halls, convention centers, etc. in the metroplex.
The way Globe Life is setup for the 2 I'm going to, is the stage is in the Outfield. Floor seats on the ground. It is laid out pretty nicely. Our seats are in the 12-14 section area. When I saw McCartney previously, he played the piano from the right-hand side (POV looking at stage), so we'll have full facial view. I got to see him in a private concert in Vegas. He put on a great show.DannyDuberstein said:
Yeah, the other factor with a baseball stadium is that by and large, these big concerts that may sell 40K tickets have staging that tends to be designed for football stadium layouts vs. baseball. Not that they can't be shoe-horned in, but in many cases, it's gonna be a lot less optimal than just gong across the street to JerryWorld. There's the main stage that's usually built to fit the width of a football stadium, and then oftentimes small secondary stages that are designed to take advantage of some of the rest of a football field. Between accommodating the stage(s) as well as on-field seating, can get a little awkward.
There is lots of clay in North Texas. It is also expensive to excavate, which is one reason you have so few basements in North Texas.AccidentProne said:
I admittedly no nothing about agriculture or growing grass. What I do know is the playing surface will be 70 feet below ground level, and I know they had to remove tons of clay in the excavation (they even found an old house and a car). How well does grass grow at that level, and if the roof is projected to be closed more times than not?
As a side note, sunlight will still be able to get in despite the roof being closed
AccidentProne said:
I admittedly no nothing about agriculture or growing grass. What I do know is the playing surface will be 70 feet below ground level, and I know they had to remove tons of clay in the excavation (they even found an old house and a car). How well does grass grow at that level, and if the roof is projected to be closed more times than not?
As a side note, sunlight will still be able to get in despite the roof being closed
DallasAg 94 said:There is lots of clay in North Texas. It is also expensive to excavate, which is one reason you have so few basements in North Texas.AccidentProne said:
I admittedly no nothing about agriculture or growing grass. What I do know is the playing surface will be 70 feet below ground level, and I know they had to remove tons of clay in the excavation (they even found an old house and a car). How well does grass grow at that level, and if the roof is projected to be closed more times than not?
As a side note, sunlight will still be able to get in despite the roof being closed
I think grass can grow, especially if you condition the soil. We have had heavy clay soil, and mixing in some sand and organic material, should be fine. Keep in mind the depth is the key. We moved 6 miles and our soil went from a mostly clay loam to an almost pure limestone, just based on elevation. Texas used to be underwater, so it is an interesting study in soils. I've done a little, but not extensive.
Back to your point... I used to know, but there is a "frost-line" and depth issue. Neil Sperry has done a gardening show on Saturday mornings for as long as I have listened to radio. I'll try to recall some recent comments.
Last year, I think I heard him talk about Bermuda. Someone was asking about fertilizing. I think he said specifically for Bermuda, the soil has to reach a temperature in the mid-70s (at a depth of 9") for the grass to signal Spring. He said don't expect the grass to fully come back until May, as Texas often has cold temperatures well into March.
So, if you put a stadium down 70' (21Meters), the question becomes how does the soil heat and what can you do initiate it. Because the surface is open, I would suspect it would be no different than a valley in a rolling hill pasture, no different than most of Wise and Parker county. However, because you'd have all of the building and parking structures surrounding the field, the soil underneath those structures would remain cold and the areas along the foul lines and warning track would be difficult to grow.
This graph shows the ambient temperature to be just under 20C (68F), so maybe it wouldn't be that difficult. With a controlled stadium closed during the winter, who knows... maybe it might be even more effective in bringing the grass back to life.
sburg2007 said:DallasAg 94 said:There is lots of clay in North Texas. It is also expensive to excavate, which is one reason you have so few basements in North Texas.AccidentProne said:
I know they had to remove tons of clay in the excavation (they even found an old house and a car). How well does grass grow at that level, and if the roof is projected to be closed more times than not?
I think grass can grow, especially if you condition the soil. We have had heavy clay soil, and mixing in some sand and organic material, should be fine. Keep in mind the depth is the key. We moved 6 miles and our soil went from a mostly clay loam to an almost pure limestone, just based on elevation. Texas used to be underwater, so it is an interesting study in soils. I've done a little, but not extensive.
Back to your point... I used to know, but there is a "frost-line" and depth issue. Neil Sperry has done a gardening show on Saturday mornings for as long as I have listened to radio. I'll try to recall some recent comments.
Last year, I think I heard him talk about Bermuda. Someone was asking about fertilizing. I think he said specifically for Bermuda, the soil has to reach a temperature in the mid-70s (at a depth of 9") for the grass to signal Spring. He said don't expect the grass to fully come back until May, as Texas often has cold temperatures well into March.
So, if you put a stadium down 70' (21Meters), the question becomes how does the soil heat and what can you do initiate it. Because the surface is open, I would suspect it would be no different than a valley in a rolling hill pasture, no different than most of Wise and Parker county. However, because you'd have all of the building and parking structures surrounding the field, the soil underneath those structures would remain cold and the areas along the foul lines and warning track would be difficult to grow.
This graph shows the ambient temperature to be just under 20C (68F), so maybe it wouldn't be that difficult. With a controlled stadium closed during the winter, who knows... maybe it might be even more effective...
This has pretty much nothing to do with how high end athletic fields are constructed. First, no field is built with a clay root zone. They drain well because they're constructed on sand root zones (high perc rates) on top of gravel with drainage.
Many stadiums in cooler climates (coors, Jacobs field, lambeau, sporting kc) have pipes running throughout root zones that they run heated water through. This keeps rootzone from freezing and plants roots "awake." This isn't an issue here now or in future because typically this Bermuda is overseeded with ryegrass (cool season) then transitioned in May/June. Newer varieties like the Tiftuf Bermuda going into ballpark this year are much more cold tolerant. They don't truly go dormant.
sburg2007 said:AccidentProne said:
I admittedly no nothing about agriculture or growing grass. What I do know is the playing surface will be 70 feet below ground level, and I know they had to remove tons of clay in the excavation (they even found an old house and a car). How well does grass grow at that level, and if the roof is projected to be closed more times than not?
As a side note, sunlight will still be able to get in despite the roof being closed
So I've just been lurking over this topic. I have known this decision was coming for about a year as in I saw the shade studies. The organization never wanted grass because it would simply cost too much to host other events during the course of the season.
The fact it sits below ground has no bearing on sunlight because the height of the stands is no different than if it was at ground level. It's all about angles. Technology in varieties and science has grown leaps and bounds in the last decade. Look to europe's Soccer teams. Their stadiums are terrible for growing grass and do it. Look at FC DALLAS. Horrible shade and make it work. The ability to grow was not accounted for. Not one interview was done with the groundskeeper. If Evan grant wanted all sides, he would've talked to him. Why not? The organization told him not to talk.
I don't really want to get into specifics about that, but if anyone has questions about the grass or synthetic I'll be happy to answer. I saw the new synthetic at conference last week in Arizona. Is it different? You bet! Is better than a crappy natural surface? Absolutely. Is it better than what could be grown in Globe Life Field? If given the chance to succeed, I doubt it.
As many have stated, most fans are ticked because the organization treats us like morons. This is a multi use event venue that also hosts baseball. That is fine. Just admit it.
