***********2024-2025 San Antonio Spurs Thread********************

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I haven't really been a fan of Mitch this season but I don't blame him. Castle has been playing terribly. However, if we are tanking, might as well let him play through it.
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My biggest frustration is them not letting Fox get his surgery. It's unbelievable.

I think the spurs don't want to give the impression of tanking after getting wemby,
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Earth Rider said:

My biggest frustration is them not letting Fox get his surgery. It's unbelievable.

I think the spurs don't want to give the impression of tanking after getting wemby,


I am hoping Fox wants to go back to Sacramento first

That's the 5th game upcoming
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LawHall88 said:




Well the one excuse they had was he's injured.

This just confirms they care more about taking care of 89 year old Chris Paul than they do supporting and developing Castle.
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I swear Spurs fans are *****zo. We hate a coach for trying to win and then hate him more for not playing the "better" players.

The truth is the current state of the roster is going to make it very difficult to win any games. We have a very athletic but small team. These last few games have all been the same. They play really hard and hang in there even getting some nice leads. But then inevitably we can't get a rebound once the other team starts playing as hard. Its also a fact that all of this has occurred the rodeo road trip. They already played much better at home with Wemby, without him it's predictably worse. I will be very interested to see how they play at home the rest of the season. Unfortunately we are at Houston tonight and I have a feeling it's going to be ugly.
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Guitarsoup said:

Tank watch:

Spurs vs Pelicans. Zion should cook against Bismack and Barnes.

Suns vs Grizzlies. Go Suns. Right the ship, dipships.

Celtics vs Raptors. Praying Scottie Barnes pulls off a miracle here.

Lakers vs Mavericks. Pure Chaos. Neither team really affects us, but I hope the Lakers lose by a million and Max Christie breaks Wilt's single game record.

Spurs lost to the 2nd worst team in the league, Suns unsurprisingly lost against... this time in OT. Raptors didn't pull off the upset.

Spurs are at 9th in the tank, moving below Portland.

Tank Watch 2/26

Raptors vs Pacers.. need Toronto to pull off the upset on the 2nd night of a BtB.

76ers vs Knicks. Need the 76ers to win, but they are the most pathetic franchise in the league.

Blazers vs Wizards, this should be easy for Portland... should be.

OKC vs Brooklyn. Go Nets. Punish yourself for not selling Cam Johnson for pennies on the dollar.

Hawks vs Heat: Need Miami to win.

Clippers vs Bulls: Need Chicago to win and Kawhi and Harden to lose. Come on Zach Collins, do something amazing.

Spurs vs Rockets. GoRocketsGo?

Spurs games up on other teams:
Bulls 2
Nets 3.5
76ers 4.5
Raptors 7
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Man it's so refreshing to see a team that plays relentless defense in the rockets. We really have the softest team.
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Guitarsoup said:

Guitarsoup said:

Tank watch:

Spurs vs Pelicans. Zion should cook against Bismack and Barnes.

Suns vs Grizzlies. Go Suns. Right the ship, dipships.

Celtics vs Raptors. Praying Scottie Barnes pulls off a miracle here.

Lakers vs Mavericks. Pure Chaos. Neither team really affects us, but I hope the Lakers lose by a million and Max Christie breaks Wilt's single game record.

Spurs lost to the 2nd worst team in the league, Suns unsurprisingly lost against... this time in OT. Raptors didn't pull off the upset.

Spurs are at 9th in the tank, moving below Portland.

Tank Watch 2/26

Raptors vs Pacers.. need Toronto to pull off the upset on the 2nd night of a BtB.

76ers vs Knicks. Need the 76ers to win, but they are the most pathetic franchise in the league.

Blazers vs Wizards, this should be easy for Portland... should be.

OKC vs Brooklyn. Go Nets. Punish yourself for not selling Cam Johnson for pennies on the dollar.

Hawks vs Heat: Need Miami to win.

Clippers vs Bulls: Need Chicago to win and Kawhi and Harden to lose. Come on Zach Collins, do something amazing.

Spurs vs Rockets. GoRocketsGo?

Spurs games up on other teams:
Bulls 2
Nets 3.5
76ers 4.5
Raptors 7

I still don't think we fall past 9th regardless of how crappy we play the rest of the season.

But maybe I'm wrong. Playoff P means business now…

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Why hate Kasparas? I like him, but was do you hate about him. Maybe laetner retread?he reminds of another player years ago
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Earth Rider said:

Why hate Kasparas? I like him, but was do you hate about him. Maybe laetner retread?he reminds of another player years ago


I don't believe in his shooting and his shot selection is awful. He does the Luka/Trae thing where he steps back for a three from 27 ft when there's 18 seconds left on the shot clock. I think he's very ball dominant and I don't know that he's going to work well off ball which we need with Fox.

He's a 32% three-point shooter and his defense is probably the second worst in the first round after Egor Demin.
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Good thing for the Spurs is that none of Portland, Philadelphia, or Brooklyn control their own picks. So there's not as much incentive for them to tank.

The Bulls are the only team around them with the major draft incentive to tank. Toronto and above are not realistically catchable at this point. The rest could be close.
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flashplayer said:

Good thing for the Spurs is that none of Portland, Philadelphia, or Brooklyn control their own picks. So there's not as much incentive for them to tank.

The Bulls are the only team around them with the major draft incentive to tank. Toronto and above are not realistically catchable at this point. The rest could be close.
Philly's pick is top 6 protected, so there is a massive incentive for Philly to tank. If Philly drops one spot (switch with Toronto), they go from 55% chance of losing the pick to 35% chance of losing the pick.

Brooklyn owns their own pick. They traded Phoenix picks to Houston to get it back.

Portland's pick is lottery protected. As long as they do not make the playoffs, they keep their pick. They are currently 4.5 games out of the 10th spot for the play-in. I don't think they overtake Sacramento for 10th, and even if they do, I don't think they win the 8 seed.

Portland is trying to actually play and they look good. But Brooklyn and Philly both have reasons to tank.
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Guitarsoup said:

Guitarsoup said:

Tank watch:

Spurs vs Pelicans. Zion should cook against Bismack and Barnes.

Suns vs Grizzlies. Go Suns. Right the ship, dipships.

Celtics vs Raptors. Praying Scottie Barnes pulls off a miracle here.

Lakers vs Mavericks. Pure Chaos. Neither team really affects us, but I hope the Lakers lose by a million and Max Christie breaks Wilt's single game record.

Spurs lost to the 2nd worst team in the league, Suns unsurprisingly lost against... this time in OT. Raptors didn't pull off the upset.

Spurs are at 9th in the tank, moving below Portland.

Tank Watch 2/26

Raptors vs Pacers.. need Toronto to pull off the upset on the 2nd night of a BtB.

76ers vs Knicks. Need the 76ers to win, but they are the most pathetic franchise in the league.

Blazers vs Wizards, this should be easy for Portland... should be.

OKC vs Brooklyn. Go Nets. Punish yourself for not selling Cam Johnson for pennies on the dollar.

Hawks vs Heat: Need Miami to win.

Clippers vs Bulls: Need Chicago to win and Kawhi and Harden to lose. Come on Zach Collins, do something amazing.

Spurs vs Rockets. GoRocketsGo?

Spurs games up on other teams:
Bulls 2
Nets 3.5
76ers 4.5
Raptors 7
Tank Watch 2/27

Spurs. Raptors, 76ers, Bulls and Nets all lost, but the Blazers won and the Hawks lost.

With the Hawks loss, they dropped to 9th, but they are 5.5 games above 11th and 4 games above the Bulls at 10th. That moved them from 15th (playoff) to 11th worst, with a ~9% shot at top 4. Hawks are 1 game up on Portland for 10th.

Suns are half game above Atlanta and they play the Pelicans, so maybe Durant will decide to not suck. Also, Houston owns the Suns picks, so benefits us for the Suns to make the playoffs.

Atlanta at 11th and us at 9th gives us about a 30% shot at top 4.


Hawks +2 (5-5 last 10)
Blazers +1 (6-4 last 10)
Spurs 0
Bulls -2
Nets -3.5
76ers -4.5 (lost 9 straight)
Raptors -7
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The Athletic 's Big Board

Just a big board, doesn't take team need into account


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Kon Knueppel #7. Here is his play last night vs Miami.

He would be my choice after Liam McNeeley if we don't have a top 4 pick. I don't think he is going to be a star or a defensive stopper. But you can see him looking for the extra pass, he's making the right defensive rotations, he's grabbing rebounds over bigger guys. His stroke looks nice. Heady. Real lunchpail guy. Like having another coach on the court.

Shooting 46/40/90 for the season. 13.5p/3.8r/2.4a in just under 30mpg.

Negatives are he is probably 6'5 and 210lbs with a ~30-32" vertical. But should be a better shooter than Devin. And he is making the right rotations and fighting through screens.
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I know Pop has been in contact with the org and all that but it would also be funny if he's just been chilling at the house sleeping late and rehabbing and felt so good he was ready to coach again...took one look at the injury report and called RC and faked a cough and said "yeah still not feeling good, y'all got this" and hung up.
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I think the real negative with Kneuppel is that with the lack of size, you have to wonder if teams will target him for switches and abuse him making him unplayable some nights.

Just my opinion, but he's a great piece to have for your bench, but I am not sure he's better than Devin and we've spent all season mostly dissatisfied with Devin's long term fit.

Reed Shepard (smaller obviously) is a somewhat good example. He's basically unplayable because if he's not the point, he has to at least defend NBA 2s or wings and that means a 6 inch height disadvantage on some nights.

Length is an absolute must have in this league right now with how pretty much everyone plays offense trying to force switches and super aggressive targeting of any weak link defenders. (Like how Trae gets hunted on a nightly basis)

https://images.app.goo.gl/5iAx9YSt4T8AEBEG6

He just looks super small next to Flagg.
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AggieEP said:

I think the real negative with Kneuppel is that with the lack of size, you have to wonder if teams will target him for switches and abuse him making him unplayable some nights.

Just my opinion, but he's a great piece to have for your bench, but I am not sure he's better than Devin and we've spent all season mostly dissatisfied with Devin's long term fit.

Reed Shepard (smaller obviously) is a somewhat good example. He's basically unplayable because if he's not the point, he has to at least defend NBA 2s or wings and that means a 6 inch height disadvantage on some nights.

Length is an absolute must have in this league right now with how pretty much everyone plays offense trying to force switches and super aggressive targeting of any weak link defenders. (Like how Trae gets hunted on a nightly basis)

https://images.app.goo.gl/5iAx9YSt4T8AEBEG6

He just looks super small next to Flagg.
Kon is listed at 6'7 217. He is probably 6'5 - 6'6 barefoot. I think he is going to be similar size to Devin.





Flagg is listed at 6'9 and Kon is listed at 6'7. I think that looks like a 2-3" difference.

I think Reed is significantly smaller. He was 6'1.75 and 181lbs. I don't think it is a good parallel because Kon is probably 3-4 inches taller and 20-30lbs heavier.

He's probably more similar to Devin, and even if he becomes the same level player as Devin, I think he will be a better shooter - I think he is a better shooter now. Size wise, they are probably about the same, maybe Kon is slightly bigger.

Again, I would rather have Liam McNeeley. But Kon is the better shooter. Tre Johnson is a great shooter and scorer, but Tre is awful on defense, doesn't really create for others - probably a taller Cam Thomas.

If Kon is a better shooter and we draft Fleming, you have the choice between Sochan and Castle, then Kon and Devin.

Wemby 7'4 230
Fleming 6'9 240 (7'5 wingspan) (ATL Pick)
Sochan 6'8 230
Barnes 6'8 225
Julian 6'8 220
Castle 6'6 215
Kon 6'6 210? or Liam 6'7 210? (our pick)
Devin 6'5 200
Fox 6'3 185

I'm not really worried about that front 9 having size issues. Barnes, Kon/Liam, and Devin are the weak links on defense, but I think that can be a top 10 defense within a year. The core has solid size. Certainly bigger than Cleveland or Boston. Use the MLE on Luke Kornet, Clint Capela or Kevon Looney then a backup PG with the BAE (and/or bring back Chris Paul in a backup only role.)

I prefer McNeeley with our pick and Rasheer Fleming with Atlanta's pick.



Karaban (left) was 6'6.5 and 219 at the combine last year. He's not standing straight up, but makes me think McNeeley (right #30) is legit 6'7.

Even though size would be way worse (maybe 6'3 180), I straight up take VJ Edgecombe over either if we get a shot.
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Guitarsoup said:

Earth Rider said:

Why hate Kasparas? I like him, but was do you hate about him. Maybe laetner retread?he reminds of another player years ago


I don't believe in his shooting and his shot selection is awful. He does the Luka/Trae thing where he steps back for a three from 27 ft when there's 18 seconds left on the shot clock. I think he's very ball dominant and I don't know that he's going to work well off ball which we need with Fox.

He's a 32% three-point shooter and his defense is probably the second worst in the first round after Egor Demin.
All very good points. The last thing the spurs need is a somebody who can't hit the three in a guard or wing position. Castle's shot is a work in progress, and Sochan no comment.

All I see is his highlights, I can see why he is a high prospect. But I agree with all that you said.
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I keep reading about how deep this draft is, but it appears to be weighted toward shooting guards, point guards, and a couple centers.

There are few 6'8 wings or power forwards. There seems to be a lot of 6'3 to 6'6 or so shooting guards or wings. I was hoping for a 3 and d wing.

Cooper or Bailey look like the best fits but glutonous with the young talent we have. Don't get me wrong I'd be thrilled to draft either one. Maluach I keep going back to. Wemby is going to carry the Spurs. Maluachi would take some of that defensive pressure in the paint off of Wemby and we need size.
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Noa Essengue, his highlights, to me show a ton of potential.

he's raw as H*ll, but he has good form on his shot, but plays long. He is a string bean, but can attack the basket and coordinated. he would add the length and I just flat like how he plays. Great passer. For a 6'10 guy he is quick and fluid. Granted, he appears to be playing against some guys on their lunch break though.

But I still like his tape.

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LawHall88 said:





He needs to hang it up.
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Earth Rider said:

Noa Essengue, his highlights, to me show a ton of potential.

he's raw as H*ll, but he has good form on his shot, but plays long. He is a string bean, but can attack the basket and coordinated. he would add the length and I just flat like how he plays. Great passer. For a 6'10 guy he is quick and fluid. Granted, he appears to be playing against some guys on their lunch break though.

But I still like his tape.


I like Noa's potential, but he is a big defensive 3/4 with questionable shot. He could be great, but he could also be exactly just a French Sochan. We load up on French and Polish players and some team is going to bring in a German and steamroll us.
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Earth Rider said:

I keep reading about how deep this draft is, but it appears to be weighted toward shooting guards, point guards, and a couple centers.

There are few 6'8 wings or power forwards. There seems to be a lot of 6'3 to 6'6 or so shooting guards or wings. I was hoping for a 3 and d wing.

Cooper or Bailey look like the best fits but glutonous with the young talent we have. Don't get me wrong I'd be thrilled to draft either one. Maluach I keep going back to. Wemby is going to carry the Spurs. Maluachi would take some of that defensive pressure in the paint off of Wemby and we need size.
I keep bringing up Rasheer Fleming. He's 6'9 240 with a 7'5 wingspan and plays PF and defends on the perimeter. He is putting up 15/9 with 56/44 shooting. He turns 21 right before the season, so is a young junior and I think that age makes him drop a bit.

Cooper Flagg is basically the prototype of what we want, and there isn't really a 2nd tier Flagg. I think Ace Bailey will remind a lot of Melo Anthony, and I dont know if he will be a great team player or defender, like Melo. But super talented and great frame. But for forwards, after that you have Collin Murray-Boyles, who is a D&2... he doesn't have a three. He might be like poor man's Draymond. He's smaller, defends, passes, rebounds, but can;'t shoot. Then you have Asa Newell from UGA. I don't believe in his shot and he seems to be just ok at everything. I don't know that I believe him to be a NBA starter, especially without a 3.

Then you have Rasheer Fleming, who should be there for our Atlanta pick. He's probably most comparable to Naz Reid with more perimeter defense.

In addition to that forward spot, we need a D&3 guy, and my ideal prototype would be Trey Murphy for that. I think Liam McNeeley is the closest this draft has to Trey Murphy. The only real shooters are Flagg, Edgecombe, McNeeley, Kon Knueppel, Tre Johnson and Jase Richardson, Ian Jackson, and Alex Karaban if you want to look at later picks. There are a bunch of "man if the shot keeps developing..." guys like Noa, Miles Byrd, Carter Bryant, Collin Murray Boyles, etc.

I think with the draft skewing towards 19yo players instead of 21yo players, a lot of guys just haven't figured out their shot yet and you have to figure out who will and who won't.

I think Malauch would be a great backup but he may not be happy with that being his ceiling, and I think it is easy to get a great, experienced backup in free agency. If we offer Luke Kornet $10M, it would cost Boston $90M in taxes to match that $10M for just one season. Clint Capela and Kevon Looney are also available.
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