***********2024-2025 San Antonio Spurs Thread********************

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TheNotoriousP.I.P. said:

Would anyone here be interested in trying to grab Jimmy now that he's lowered his value to a distressed asset level? Best case is you get a proven playoff performer and hopefully are able to strike a decent extension with him. Worst case you don't extend him and he is off the books after next year, leaving us with oodles of cap space still.


I would rather take a flier on Zion Williamson
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Yeah that's a hard no on Jimmy for me. Not worth the potential problems.
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San Antonio allows 4 percent fewer layups and dunks when Wembanyama is on the court, according to Cleaning the Glass. It allows 3 percent fewer looks from the short midrange. The Spurs defense, meanwhile, is nearly 11 points per 100 possessions better with its anchor on the court, the second-largest differential of any high-minute player in the NBA.

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San Antonio scores a dominant 1.37 points per possession immediately following Wembanyama rejections that stay inbounds, according to information compiled by NBA stats and supplied to The Athletic. For perspective, the Cleveland Cavaliers own the league's top attack right now at 1.22 points per possession.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6047850/2025/01/09/victory-wembanyama-stats-defense-spurs?source=user-shared-article
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Jimmy Buckets in San Antonio would be so weird. Maybe 3 years ago.

A Zion/Wemby pick and roll would be so fun to watch. WTF do you even do as a defense, besides slip under the screen and beg them to shoot, which Zion won't do. He will just bulldoze you anyways.
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That's about right.
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Feeding the wrong 21yo
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New Athletic Mock. I really like Saraf and he would definitely give us a guy that can create rim pressure and be a combo guard. He's drawn comparisons to Manu.

I like Noa a lot as well, but he is too much like Sochan. Can't play them together. Noa is a project and I just think you are better off trading down and taking a guy like Karaban that has a lower ceiling, but is a high IQ shooter that will do all the little things for you. Or you go with Rasheer Fleming.

Sorber is 100% the backup center I want. I also wouldn't hate Malauch as a bigger Dereck Lively comp. Rim protect and oops and hopefully understands the game better than Bassey.

I think our seconds are likely to be draft and stash or traded. But Maxime Raynaud from Stanford is Wemby's best friend. I don't hate picking him and giving him a 2-way.


https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6030735/2025/01/09/2025-nba-mock-draft-cooper-flagg-dylan-harper-johni-broome/

11. San Antonio Spurs (via CHI)
Ben Saraf | 6-6 guard | 19 years old | Ratiopharm Ulm

Saraf is one of my personal favorites in this class. He emerged on the scene quickly this summer, winning the MVP award of the Under-18 European Championships while posting multiple 40-point games and averaging five assists. He then came over to Portland to play in a preseason NBA game and showed up well. He scored 16 points while hitting 3 of 5 from 3 and showed real passing acumen even though he only ended up with two assists. There are worries here, particularly around Saraf's jumper (a lefty shot that comes out of his hand a bit flat at times) and his defensive ability (although I like his instincts and playmaking ability on that end).

He's averaging 12.5 points while shooting 47.2 percent from the field in a pro league in Germany, while also dishing out 4.2 assists per game. He thinks the game at an incredibly high level. Teams will want to learn where they think his body is, and how much improvement can be made to his overall athleticism and explosiveness once he gets into a real strength-training program.

14. San Antonio Spurs
Noa Essengue | 6-8 forward | 18 years old | Ratiopharm Ulm

Scouts remain impressed by Essengue, a forward from France playing with Saraf in Germany. Scouts got to see these two up close when Ulm traveled to Portland to play the Trail Blazers this year, with Essengue scoring 20 points and grabbing eight rebounds with a strong second half. The idea here is a big, versatile wing who is younger than anyone in the draft class other than Flagg who has already been productive playing at 17 in a solid professional league. He's active and switchable on defense, with serious coordination and mobility for his size.

Offensively, scouts wonder exactly what the best position for him is. Because he struggles to shoot it, Essengue often looks more like a center right now as opposed to an NBA wing. He's at his best playing with a motor and aggressiveness on the glass, which he consistently does. However, he would also be quite undersized for the center position. He's so young that it is tough to tell exactly where he's going to settle in. However, there's clearly upside athletically at this size. Essengue's range is a bit wide when you talk to scouts, but the ones who like him tend to really like him.

17. San Antonio Spurs (via ATL)
Thomas Sorber | 6-10 big | 19 years old | Georgetown

Sorber has been among the most productive freshmen in the country, and scouts are fascinated to see how he performs in Big East play. Sorber's stats jump off the page he's averaging 15.1 points, 8.4 rebounds, 2.5 assists and 2.3 blocks. However, the numbers do fall off a bit against better competition. Sorber was averaging 13.6 points and 5.8 rebounds while shooting 44 percent from the field in his first six games against high-majors; he put up 11 points, 13 rebounds and five blocks Tuesday against No. 7 Marquette. Listed at 6-10, Sorber will be undersized for the center position in the NBA, and scouts are a bit skeptical he'll actually come in at that size without shoes once he gets a full measurement at the combine.

The name that comes up a bit with him is Xavier Tillman. Sorber is relatively below-the-rim and struggles to shoot from distance, which has led scouts to wonder what exactly the role is on offense beyond being able to short-roll and pass. However, much like Tillman, Sorber is terrific positionally on defense and seems to have very high-level reaction time. Sorber might end up being a multi-year guy, or he might end up being a one-and-done. But he's been superb for Georgetown.


40. San Antonio Spurs (via Chicago): Chaz Lanier | 6-5 wing | Tennessee

44. San Antonio Spurs: Xaivian Lee | 6-4 guard | Princeton

We only have 4 free agents (Paul, Tre, Bassey, Mamu) so unlikely we draft 5 players without multiple trades. Keldon will have two years, Barnes, Collins, Branham, Wesley and Sidy will all be ending contracts (Sidy is unguaranteed.)
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Wemby casually drinking from the FT line while Barnes is interviewed

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Shot selection continues to be atrocious
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Wemby's especially. If he would take higher percentage shots or defer to others, we might actually go in runs.

Paul looks like absolute crap tonight. Missing a lot of players and looks two steps slow on offense.

Defense is laughable.

We might have the worst bench in the league.
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We unfortunately just don't have enough shooters. Wemby, Dev, Barnes, and Julian are the only guys that the defense doesn't feel comfortable sagging off. You just can't run a rotation where more than 50% of your guys can be dared to shoot in today's NBA. When CP3 is passive like he is tonight it exacerbates that even further.
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Somebody said this earlier, but Mitch Johnson needs to start ripping into these refs for not calling fouls for Steph
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What an ass kicking from the end of the third onward. Just methodically and patiently picking them apart.
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Spurs were making everything in the second half to get the 126-102 win. Fourth quarter they looked their best. Also helped that Lakers just looked terrible in the fourth.
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I watched a bit of the 2nd quarter but none of the 3rd and 4th. Color me shocked at this kind of outcome! It was looking rough for a stretch there.
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Castle randomly leads the team in minutes.

It was nice to see Paul and Barnes take the game over down the stretch. They need to continue to do that in these close games. Not sure Mitch even had to do anything tbh.

Spurs continue to look better without Sochan out there.
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Who would have thought one of the few convincing pull aways this year would have included repeated Barnes on the block possessions. What a weird win. I'll take it though.
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Spurs outscored lakers 73-40 in the second half. Chris Paul had a masterclass of a fourth quarter of passing, getting his hands involved in defense, using clock, and finding mismatches.
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We look like a completely different team when we aren't trying to force a pf/c (Sochan) to be a perimeter shooting small forward.
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Sher Thing said:

Castle randomly leads the team in minutes.

It was nice to see Paul and Barnes take the game over down the stretch. They need to continue to do that in these close games. Not sure Mitch even had to do anything tbh.

Spurs continue to look better without Sochan out there.


Castle took over in the third quarter. Sean mentioned Paul and Barnes just using their old school way of basketball and finding the mismatch and posting up in the fourth. They kept abusing Reaves in the post.
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I think Wemby wanted to do the under the leg dunk and chickened out at the last second


Remember when AD was crying about no DPOYs? Then Vassell is blowing past him like it is nothing.
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AD is one of the most insufferable basketball players of all time. It's annoying how he was voted top 75. Just adds to it.
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Some of ya'll are insufferable with this mid-season and even mid-game referendum over reaction to ever little thing. Yeah, this team needs better shooting in general.. who doesn't? I think the current guys are getting better. They sure as hell shoot better than last year and they didn't add anyone to specifically address it. And yeah, they go through bad stretches just like any young team.

It will be interesting to see how Sochan fits when it's all said and done. I think this team really needs his defense and "edge" that he brings. The question is can he continue to get better. I believe he will.
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I think Castle needs to start. He just works a lot better with that first unit. Bring Sochan off the bench as the eff your stuff up guy. Then close with one of sochan or Castle depending on what the defensive matchup is.

Then when CP3 is gone next year you can start both, with Castle hopefully developing into a better shooter.
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Enzo The Baker said:

I think Castle needs to start. He just works a lot better with that first unit. Bring Sochan off the bench as the eff your stuff up guy. Then close with one of sochan or Castle depending on what the defensive matchup is.

Then when CP3 is gone next year you can start both, with Castle hopefully developing into a better shooter.
Exactly what I would do right now.

Start: Wemby, Barnes, Julian, Castle, Paul

Rotate in: Sochan, Keldon, Devin, Tre.

They all get about 27-30mpg.

Before the season, I thought we would trade Paul at the deadline, but now I am leaning towards us giving him another year at 10M.
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Mitch already screwed this up once but Castle needs to stay in the SL when Sochan gets healthy. The sample size is enough to show that it is better for the team. This really shouldn't even be a discussion at this point. Both have issues shooting the ball but Castle is more creative, a capable defender, and thrives sharing the court with CP3 and Wemby. There's also about 3-4 calls a game that he's not getting and Mitch needs to start going to bat for him on this.
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I hear what you're saying about trying to look at things a little more optimistically but I am not sure I agree with you about our existing guys shooting better. We are mostly just shooting a higher volume. Dev, Keldon, Tre, Jeremy, and Zach are all shooting noticeably worse from beyond the arc than they were last year, though Dev is still absolutely a threat. Wemby and Julian I think have both improved as shooters and stepped up their volume. Outside of Julian, Barnes and CP3 (two new additions that aren't part of our long term plans) are the only guys shooting above league average efficiency from deep. We are tied with the Hornets as the 5th worst 3-point shooting team in the league.

Jeremy is now in year 3 and is a sub-30% 3 point shooter for his career. Keldon is now going on 3 consecutive seasons beneath his career average and his volumes have been declining as well. Dev's percentages and volume have dropped each of the past 3 years also. Tre and Zach hhave regressed as shooters. Castle shoots with a lot of confidence and I believe that shot will get better, but he is sitting at 25% from the year and 70% from the line while that was the major question mark with him coming into the draft. Blake is probably never going to be a threat from deep and Malaki has fallen out of the rotation for other reasons. Bassey and Sidy are complete non-shooters and Mamu seems to be locked in jail. So out of everyone on this roster under the age of 30, you have 3 guys (Wemby, Julian, and Dev) that are proven NBA shooters.

I love this squad and have had a blast watching them. But we have several long-term rotation needs that aren't on the team yet and I don't think that's an overreaction.
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Sochan has actually increased in his corner 3 each season and is at 39% this year on about 1/3 of his threes. He was at 32% last year and 15% as a rookie. He has also increased his percent of threes from the corner each year. The problem is that he is such a great screener, that he usually isn't the guy waiting in the corner, so he takes a lot from the wings. I would love to see him continue to increase his effectiveness at corner threes and sit over there on offense with the occasional backdoor cut and OR attempt.

We knew Castle would struggle, but I'm not sweating it now. I just think he needs to be starting SG next to Paul and let Devin run the 2nd team.

Vassell has been up and down this year but when he was coming off the bench he shot 47/40/80 compared to 40/32/77 starting. Make him our Manu. What is interesting is on 3+ days rest, he's shooting 57/60 splits (over 6 games) while on 1-day rest he is at 38/27. Only 1 game with no rest and 2 games with 2 days rest. That kind of tells me that he still isn't in shape.
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Man Paul was fun to watch last night in the 4th. Just beautiful PG play.
 
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