On April 10th, Mavs should do a drawing from season ticket holders to sign a contract for the last two games of the season.
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WHY DID DALLAS TRADE THIS MAN?! (VIA @realapp_) pic.twitter.com/PvTkOsapvX
How's Caleb Martin doing? Win now guy.
Am I seeing this right? ESPN says Martin has played in five games and has 23 points across those five games. In one game, Grimes has had double the amount of points as Martin in his entire Mavericks tenure? Is that correct?
F *ck Nico
Yep! Almost as if Grimes is the better player! Lol and we still gave them a draft pick
It's truly unbelievable. That trade (and the fact we have them a draft pick) is so mind numbingly dumb. We all called it at the time it happened and it's gotten even worse since then.
It's also yet another example of how Kidd refuses to play young guys.
I'm happy for grimes though. He is making himself from money and Kidd didn't really let him shine here for some reason.
It's also yet another example of how Kidd refuses to play young guys.
I'm happy for grimes though. He is making himself from money and Kidd didn't really let him shine here for some reason.
Grimes has been given complete control of a team that is not trying to win games.
The Mavs were not going to be able to re-sign him. Even if he were doing this same stuff on the Mavs, he would be offered too much money in the offseason for the Mavs to match. And there is reporting he didn't want to be here anymore.
So instead of letting him walk for nothing, they got a guy who has been the 3rd best player on a finals team who is under contract for 3 more years at a very reasonable price. It's called being prudent.
I know that all yall know that already, and you just want to be mad and shout in to the void to make yourselves feel better or something.
The Mavs were not going to be able to re-sign him. Even if he were doing this same stuff on the Mavs, he would be offered too much money in the offseason for the Mavs to match. And there is reporting he didn't want to be here anymore.
So instead of letting him walk for nothing, they got a guy who has been the 3rd best player on a finals team who is under contract for 3 more years at a very reasonable price. It's called being prudent.
I know that all yall know that already, and you just want to be mad and shout in to the void to make yourselves feel better or something.
He's restricted. If they let him walk for nothing, then it would be by choice. They let it get here over $3-4 mill per. And threw in what will be a high 2nd rounder to boot.
The reporting that "he didn't want to be here anymore" is bullsh. Grimes has said as much. The mavs spent the month of February leaking bullsh to try to spin both trades.
The reporting that "he didn't want to be here anymore" is bullsh. Grimes has said as much. The mavs spent the month of February leaking bullsh to try to spin both trades.
But we would not have been able to match anything close to $10 million because we are hard capped and right up against the 2nd apron. Same reason we aren't able to sign 10 day guys to just have bodies on the team. We would not have been able to match whatever he was going to get in FA, especially if he was doing this same stuff here.
Add on to that the reporting that he didn't want to be here and you don't re-sign guys who don't want to be on your team. You trade them for what you can get.
Add on to that the reporting that he didn't want to be here and you don't re-sign guys who don't want to be on your team. You trade them for what you can get.
Major missed evaluation. They would have been better off with that 2nd rounder. They have worked hard to pretty much get nothing for him anyway. And there are ways to free up money for 2025-26 but it starts with being able to evaluate your talent properly
I was one of the ones saying Grimes needed more PT early on also. Kidd didn't really like him for some reason. He is a little Josh Green YOLO-ish at times. He's getting his chance to put up meaningless numbers for a team that is trying really hard to lose games. They have to be in the top 6 of the draft to keep their pick and they are currently 6th worst record and a game out of 7th worst. Grimes is going to get paid in the offseason, probably by another bad team. Good for him.
Sure Martin has been hurt, but he's a proven player that has proven he is, at minimum a playoff rotation guy, and at his best he was the 3rd best player on a finals team. We also got another 2nd back in the deal, not like those are worth that much anyway. We did not get nothing back. We got really good control of a guy who has proven he is a player worth having on your team.
Sure Martin has been hurt, but he's a proven player that has proven he is, at minimum a playoff rotation guy, and at his best he was the 3rd best player on a finals team. We also got another 2nd back in the deal, not like those are worth that much anyway. We did not get nothing back. We got really good control of a guy who has proven he is a player worth having on your team.
Yep we were able to get off Davis ****ing Bertans wh was making like 12-16 million. There are ways we could've gotten off some money to pay grimes, a young player with tons of upside. We could've used that second rounder to do so.
And I agree that letting him walk and keeping the second rounder would be better than what we did.
And I agree that letting him walk and keeping the second rounder would be better than what we did.
3 things:shack009 said:
But we would not have been able to match anything close to $10 million because we are hard capped and right up against the 2nd apron. Same reason we aren't able to sign 10 day guys to just have bodies on the team. We would not have been able to match whatever he was going to get in FA, especially if he was doing this same stuff here.
Add on to that the reporting that he didn't want to be here and you don't re-sign guys who don't want to be on your team. You trade them for what you can get.
1) We're hard capped at the 1st* apron, not the 2nd.
2) That apron cap is lifted once the season is over and FA starts. The Mavs would have bird rights to Grimes and could go over the cap to match any offer Grimes would received.
3) That report (by a single reporter) that Grimes wanted out appears unsubstantiated.
The truth hurts. I think last season's trade deadline moves and what seemed to be a nice offseason led to a dangerous level of hubris. We don't have to spin to make both trades look bad. They were objectively bad.
I cannot get over just how much you want to spin all of these moves to try and make them look better! The Mavs lost HUGELY in both of these trades and it looks worse every day/game that Luka and Grimes play well and we see about zero from what we got in return.shack009 said:
I was one of the ones saying Grimes needed more PT early on also. Kidd didn't really like him for some reason. He is a little Josh Green YOLO-ish at times. He's getting his chance to put up meaningless numbers for a team that is trying really hard to lose games. They have to be in the top 6 of the draft to keep their pick and they are currently 6th worst record and a game out of 7th worst. Grimes is going to get paid in the offseason, probably by another bad team. Good for him.
Sure Martin has been hurt, but he's a proven player that has proven he is, at minimum a playoff rotation guy, and at his best he was the 3rd best player on a finals team. We also got another 2nd back in the deal, not like those are worth that much anyway. We did not get nothing back. We got really good control of a guy who has proven he is a player worth having on your team.
EVERYONE in the basketball world thinks that.
But they must all just not know basketball.
It isn't spin, it's explaining.
It is intuitive though, regarding number 3, even if you think KOC isn't plugged in (which he is).
So you sign Grimes in the offseason and then go in to the 2nd apron and have no flexibility for any roster moves at all for the next several years? That isn't what teams do.
I liked Grimes on the Mavs but nobody saw this coming. He's been given a long leash on a bad team. He isn't this player on a normal team. We saw that before he was traded.
So you sign Grimes in the offseason and then go in to the 2nd apron and have no flexibility for any roster moves at all for the next several years? That isn't what teams do.
I liked Grimes on the Mavs but nobody saw this coming. He's been given a long leash on a bad team. He isn't this player on a normal team. We saw that before he was traded.
It's not intuitive and again, even if it was true, he wouldn't be the 1st RFA to want out but have the team match an offer (Eric Gordon back in the day with the Suns comes to mind). His youth and talent demands that a competent FO find a way to retain him and convince him he's a valuable part of the team's WIN NOW future.shack009 said:
It is intuitive though, regarding number 3, even if you think KOC isn't plugged in (which he is).
So you sign Grimes in the offseason and then go in to the 2nd apron and have no flexibility for any roster moves at all for the next several years? That isn't what teams do.
I liked Grimes on the Mavs but nobody saw this coming. He's been given a long leash on a bad team. He isn't this player on a normal team. We saw that before he was traded.
Signing Grimes would not put them into the 2nd apron unless he signed for $24m/year and the Mavs didn't do any other sort of cap manuvering. They could easily move Hardy+Powell's money if they needed and HEY GUESS WHAT? Keeping that 30s 2nd round pick is the exact type of compensation you'd need for a salary dump such as that!!!
I liked Grimes and saw this coming. It was evident throughout the last 2 years (including his flashes in Dallas) and his profile he had this in him. He was a 5* HS recruit who always possessed the tools necessary to develop into a valuable 2 way NBA player. The fact the Mavs didn't see that AND gave it up WITH ADDITIONAL COMP to get a worse, older player in return is the part no one saw coming.
dave94 said:EVERYONE in the basketball world thinks that.shack009 said:
I was one of the ones saying Grimes needed more PT early on also. Kidd didn't really like him for some reason. He is a little Josh Green YOLO-ish at times. He's getting his chance to put up meaningless numbers for a team that is trying really hard to lose games. They have to be in the top 6 of the draft to keep their pick and they are currently 6th worst record and a game out of 7th worst. Grimes is going to get paid in the offseason, probably by another bad team. Good for him.
Sure Martin has been hurt, but he's a proven player that has proven he is, at minimum a playoff rotation guy, and at his best he was the 3rd best player on a finals team. We also got another 2nd back in the deal, not like those are worth that much anyway. We did not get nothing back. We got really good control of a guy who has proven he is a player worth having on your team.
But they must all just not know basketball.
I've already said multiple times that the Luka trade was ******ed so I'm not going to address that.
But the Grimes part of it, people absolutely are leaving out critical information in order to get their takes in and to pile on. I get that it is being viewed in tandem with the Luka trade so will be automatically deemed a bad trade.
But I'm not going to throw out all logic and rational thought just because the Luka trade was terrible. The grimes move makes sense in terms of roster construction. It's also how the NBA works. You do the player/agent a favor in a contract year where they want to get a ton of minutes and put up big numbers on a bad team. It's been done many times before. We didn't know the Mavs were in for even more injury hurt when the Grimes deal was made.
So, no, I don't think everybody knows nothing about basketball. I think people are throwing nuance out the window so that they can do memes.
By what metric was he the 3rd best player on that Finals team? I'm not grinding tape on the 2023 Finals, but looks to me like he caught fire in the ECF against Boston but was otherwise just a rotation guy for the regular season and the Finals.shack009 said:
I was one of the ones saying Grimes needed more PT early on also. Kidd didn't really like him for some reason. He is a little Josh Green YOLO-ish at times. He's getting his chance to put up meaningless numbers for a team that is trying really hard to lose games. They have to be in the top 6 of the draft to keep their pick and they are currently 6th worst record and a game out of 7th worst. Grimes is going to get paid in the offseason, probably by another bad team. Good for him.
Sure Martin has been hurt, but he's a proven player that has proven he is, at minimum a playoff rotation guy, and at his best he was the 3rd best player on a finals team. We also got another 2nd back in the deal, not like those are worth that much anyway. We did not get nothing back. We got really good control of a guy who has proven he is a player worth having on your team.
shack009 said:
It isn't spin, it's explaining.
It's not explaining when you pull in bogus crap that has been refuted, like Grimes wanting out. That's bull**** spin. Them being stuck with him walking for nothing this offseason as the only option if they didn't offload him by the trade deadline is also objectively false
Goldie Wilson said:By what metric was he the 3rd best player on that Finals team? I'm not grinding tape on the 2023 Finals, but looks to me like he caught fire in the ECF against Boston but was otherwise just a rotation guy for the regular season and the Finals.shack009 said:
I was one of the ones saying Grimes needed more PT early on also. Kidd didn't really like him for some reason. He is a little Josh Green YOLO-ish at times. He's getting his chance to put up meaningless numbers for a team that is trying really hard to lose games. They have to be in the top 6 of the draft to keep their pick and they are currently 6th worst record and a game out of 7th worst. Grimes is going to get paid in the offseason, probably by another bad team. Good for him.
Sure Martin has been hurt, but he's a proven player that has proven he is, at minimum a playoff rotation guy, and at his best he was the 3rd best player on a finals team. We also got another 2nd back in the deal, not like those are worth that much anyway. We did not get nothing back. We got really good control of a guy who has proven he is a player worth having on your team.
By the metric that he was the third best player on the Miami Heat in the 2023 playoffs.
DannyDuberstein said:shack009 said:
It isn't spin, it's explaining.
It's not explaining when you pull in bogus crap that has been refuted, like Grimes wanting out. That's bull**** spin. Them being stick with him walking for nothing this offseason is also objectively false
How has it been refuted? KOC reported that Grimes' agent asked to be on a team where he'd get more playing time. That's true. KOC said those words.
Grimes himself has said he was completely shocked at being moved. Anyone asking to be moved isn't shocked when they are moved. It's bull*****
And literally no other local reporters corroborated that story. Somehow KOC got an exclusive scoop into a Mavs player that no other national or local media member could even confirm.DannyDuberstein said:
Grimes himself has said he was completely shocked at being moved. Anyone asking to be moved isn't shocked when they are moved. It's bull*****
It's generous to even call it spin. It's flat out horse ****
It reeks of either (1) a reporter who can't believe they'd make that dumb of a trade so inferring something must have been requested OR (1) self-serving Nico seeding a bogus story to one guy he trusts to make him look better. We know he was seeding bs about Luka, so wouldn't put it past him
haha i will say i dont think Nico seeded the story to KOC considering KOC has been explicitly calling for the Mavs to fire Nico, but idk how Grimes requesting out was something multiple outlets wouldn't have.DannyDuberstein said:
It reeks of either (1) a reporter who can't believe they'd make that dumb of a trade so inferring something must have been requested OR (1) self-serving Nico seeding a bogus story to one guy he trusts to make him look better. We know he was seeding bs about Luka, so wouldn't put it past him
If I had to predict a 'source', I would put my money on Kidd (who clearly didn't want to play him until forced).
Kidd definitely had something out for Grimes. No doubt about that. Really odd DNP CDs throughout his time here.
Maybe Grimes didn't do things exactly how Kidd wanted them done, but he was clearly a good player when he was on the court.
Maybe Grimes didn't do things exactly how Kidd wanted them done, but he was clearly a good player when he was on the court.
Fair that Kidd makes more sense. And maybe it was Kidd floating the bs about Luka. At least one of Nico/Kidd has been shady in the aftermath as far as planting rumors
Kidd is a shady POS and always has been. And has always hated young players and superstars, so it's not really clear who he likes. I am convinced that he had a lot to do with both trades. I'm sure Nico was the one who brought it up, but I think Kidd was on board with both.
I wanted to come back to find the actual clip and ya, he doesn't sound like a guy who requested a trade.DannyDuberstein said:
Grimes himself has said he was completely shocked at being moved. Anyone asking to be moved isn't shocked when they are moved. It's bull*****
Quentin Grimes on being traded:
— MFFL NATION (@NationMffl) February 7, 2025
“Definitely a little shocked… Just a little bit shocking cause I thought I would be in Dallas for a little while.”
(via @PompeyOnSixers)
pic.twitter.com/j6yiuGVksw
And I just listened to the KOC pod again and he said "my understanding is Grimes' agent wanted him to be moved." So Grimes could be shocked about being traded and the agent was just trying to look out for his client. Or, shockingly (gasp), Grimes could be lying.
Either way, the quote is not definitive proof the KOC reporting was incorrect.
Either way, the quote is not definitive proof the KOC reporting was incorrect.
And both KOC and the guest on the show said it was a good move for the Mavs at the time.
Everybody wants to MMQB this deal well after the fact that Grimes has been allowed to put up meaningless numbers with a 40% usage rate on a team actively trying to lose.
KOC said Martin was a more proven player than Grimes and that was just factual.
Everybody wants to MMQB this deal well after the fact that Grimes has been allowed to put up meaningless numbers with a 40% usage rate on a team actively trying to lose.
KOC said Martin was a more proven player than Grimes and that was just factual.
It's not MMQB when you consider it a **** deal at the time. On ball creation skills got very thin very quickly after shipping off Luka and Grimes. Just ask Kyrie. This is just news that twists the knife a little more
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